NYT: As Iraqi Army Trains, Word in the Field Is It May Take Years

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/13/international/middleeast/13training.html?ei=5094&en=ea4bd1f61f2c3934&hp=&ex=1118635200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=print

A small but telling test of Iraq's fledgling army came recently in this troubled farm town south of Baghdad, when a group of Iraqi soldiers, ending a house raid and rushing to board pickups they use as troop carriers, abandoned the blindfolded, handcuffed man they had come to arrest.

"They left the detainee," an astonished American soldier said, spotting the man squatting in the dust along a residential street. "They just left him there. Sweet."

The Iraqi troops were on their seventh house raid of the morning, part of a cordon-and-search operation in an area of towns and farmland so dangerous that American soldiers call it the Triangle of Death. Prompted by the soldier, the Iraqis ran back for the detainee, and managed much of the rest of their mission effectively, rounding up 13 insurgent suspects in three hours without having to call for direct involvement of the watching American troops.

Such limited successes stand against a backdrop of American disappointment with many of the Iraqi units, whose effectiveness is crucial to a future American troop withdrawal.

Despite the Bush administration's insistent optimism, Americans working with the Iraqis in the field believe that it could be several years, at least, before the new Iraqi forces will be ready to stand alone against the insurgents.

so much for the mightiest army in the universe

We'll never get the hell out

- including many Dems - to realize this folly is only getting worse and we need to get the hell out.

Just like Vietnam all we are doing is pouring blood and treasure in to a big black hole.

The Iraqi army and police remind me so much of the mostly corrupt and inept South Vietnamese army I watched on the TV news back in the 60's and early 70's.