(Rumsfeld tells BBC News) Iraq 'no more safe than in 2003' (BBC)

(I guess Rummy hates America too)

Tuesday, 14 June, 2005, 19:10 GMT 20:10 UK

Iraq 'no more safe than in 2003'

US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has acknowledged that security in Iraq has not improved statistically since Saddam Hussein's fall in 2003.

Mr Rumsfeld told the BBC insurgents crossed Iraq's "porous" borders from Iran, Syria and elsewhere. But he said Iraq's military forces were growing in numbers and he was confident the insurgency would be defeated.

On Tuesday, at least 22 people were killed in a suicide bombing in the northern Iraqi city of Kirkuk. Police say most of the dead were civil servants lining up outside a government-owned bank to get their salaries or pensions. They believe the bomber walked up to the queue with up to 30kg (66lbs) of explosives hidden under his clothes.

Among the 50 people wounded were 10 children, who had small stalls on the side of the road. More than 900 people, mostly Iraqis, have died in insurgent attacks across the country since the government of Prime Minister Ibrahim Jafaari took office six weeks ago.

(more at link above)

much more dangerous for the iraqi people than when saddam was in power.

keeps saying that cities like detroit or DC are statistically more dangerous than Iraq. Can't imagine anyone actually believing such nonsense

...that Brit Hume is an asshat, and he should provide statistical proof, beacuse that claim is complete bullshit. If one were to take deaths per thousands of people, TOTAL, including civilians and US soldiers, it MIGHT come close to the mortality rate of a US city. But we aren't talking about total population. We are talking about US soldier population, young men not prone to sudden death by stroke or whatever. So that's a sample size of 140 thousand, NOT five million. If you are going to use the TOTAL population (5+ million), you must ALSO include civilian deaths (100+ thousand), and then your bosses bullshit statistics are STILL blown out of the water as Brit Hume spewed nonsense.

Asshat Hume compares the deaths from car bombs and attacks on troops with the US crime rate---but of course, in Iraq the car bombs and attacks on troops are IN ADDITION TO its run of the mill crime, which nobody is counting.

It isn't like that street crime went away in Iraq, in fact it is increasing due to the chaos and poverty. It's just that nobody in the US cares enough to either count it or stop it. If it doesn't happen in a dramatic way for political reasons, our media and the occupying forces don't even notice.

Just ask him/her about taking a weekend trip with you to either Detroit/Washington or Baghdad.

Thanks, Should have thought of that myself!

an armored convoy.

... that you can actually get a commercial flight into Detroit. (Good luck finding a flight into Baghdad.)

Somebody flies into Baghdad, but I'm sure it is a white knuckle express!

Go for it...!

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20050605-112447-7431r.htm

Domestic commercial flights return to the air
By David Axe
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
June 6, 2005

...
Iraqi Airways began flying into the U.S.-controlled Baghdad International Airport from Syria and Jordan several times a week in October 2004.

But security concerns precluded domestic flights between any of Iraq's major airports. ...
...
A Basra-to-Baghdad flight costs about $75, but Mr. al-Maliki says the airline is working to lower the price to about $50.

but you knew that.

The more wacky these people get the weirder it seems to refer to them with the sober sounding "conservative" label. There are the liars and the ones who are gullible and stupid enought to believe the obvious, getting pathetic actually, lies.

i just bite my tongue....don't want to get into it while on the clock lol. But I can't wait till the day we can give these types a big dose of TOLD YOU SO. Hopefully thats before too much more damage is done.....

even though we argued and argued about that. I said wtf -- we don't invade countries with WMD, they have NOTHING. Bushed chased the inspectors out because he KNEW that!

Well lo and behold I was right and after crowing about every Faux News WMD "find" in the early days of the GWB war, they just shut up about it. When I bring it up NOBODY says "you were right." They just can't say it. They've morphed it into "well he WOULD have gotten them." Oh brother. I just have had it with all of them. They're like children and incapable of any kind of analytical thinking or complex thought.

I can't seem to find any where I live... they all parrot the lies and obfuscations costantly.

responsibilty for his involvement. I believe that he is a dispicable Sociopath.

I've downloaded the one you have to show my students.

When I read my conservative students Hitler's quotes about god, Christian faith, and family they nearly fall out of their seats. I had one student who applauded the last time I read them while lecturing on Social Psychology. The photo will be great complement to the quotes.

There are radical evangelical Christians who claim the Nazi's are an example of what happens to a society when they DON'T mix faith and government - this is a perfect example of Goebbel's principles of lying - make it big, keep it simple, and repeat it often.

:grr:

Come on Rummy - we all know most of them are from Saudi Arabia, just like the hijackers - if your boss wasn't so busy holding hands with Saudi princes, we just might actually make some progress against terrorism and these fighters.

Mr Rumsfeld told the BBC insurgents crossed Iraq's "porous" borders from Iran, Syria and elsewhere.

BBC has insurgents crossing into Iraq? Hey, anything for a story? I know what was meant, just read it wrong. Mr. Rumsfeld confident, even when faced with reality.

:D

You know what Bush said about countries that "harbor terrorists"...

How about "dramatically deteriorated"? The Lancet study found that the risk of dying a violent death was 58 times greater in the 18 months following the invasion than it was in the 18 months leading up to it.

what did we get for that money? More security? More respect around the world?

We killed over 100,000 Iraqis. That's $3 million per Iraq. Pretty expensive, Donald.

Hello! McRummy? Does FLYPAPER ring a fucking bell? You knoe the theory that if you make Iraq a dangerous free-fire zone and send some Americans there as targets, then the "terraists" won't "fight us here"?

'my heart knows its true' (this is what the fucker is thinking)

c'mon Rummy, just say it already for fuck's sakes. Be a man.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4090626.stm

<snip>
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has acknowledged that security in Iraq has not improved statistically since Saddam Hussein's fall in 2003.

Mr Rumsfeld told the BBC insurgents crossed Iraq's "porous" borders from Iran, Syria and elsewhere.
<snip>

Wait, could this be a sign of a more realistic mindset at the Pentagon?

<snip>
"The important thing ... is to recognise that this insurgency is going to be defeated not by the coalition - it's going to be defeated by the Iraqi people and by the Iraqi security forces, and that it's going to happen as the Iraq people begin to believe they've got a future in that country," he said.
<snip>

Whuh? Why are we there then?

Especially for our troops:



http://www.ac.wwu.edu/~stephan/USfatalities.html

I've been wondering about the trend. Now my questions is answered: it's getting worse.

Power production is a big one, still below the pre-invasion level.

Yes, I've read that electricity for the Iraqis is very sporadic. It seems like they get it about 4 hours per day, and then it shuts off. No wonder they're infuriated. At least they had power with the Ba'athists.

There, isn't that better?

hung out to dry for saying Iraq was no safer with Saddam gone,the man is ahead of his time.

...At least then Iraqis could walk down the street without worrying about getting killed. At least they still had running water and the electricity was still functioning. Kids could still go to school, and the religious of ALL faiths could worship as they pleased in their own place of worship.

Their healthcare program had suffered quite a bit during the previous 12 years of US-enforced sanctions, and quite a few children had died because of it. And their military was a mere ghost of what it had been prior to Desert Storm.

Amazing the difference a couple of years makes after an illegal invasion and occupation, isn't it?

(must be those deadenders)

What a sonofabitch.

stay longer and not be so afraid to rough those Iraqis up a little.

:(

Rummy is a true psychopath. He acts all avuncular and smiling while saying the most incredibly stupid and dangerous things.

He's blaming the problems in Iraq on Syria and Iran.

What is it about these neofascist fuckwads that they can't see the beams in their own eyes?

Sue

Is the US better off with 1,706 dead, 12,855 wounded (w/the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead/wounded mentioned only in hushed tones)?

:eyes:

Mr What-Do-I-Have-To-Do-To-Get-Fired Rumsfeld added: "A lot of bad things that could have happened have not happened."

the News media focusing on "Bad" news again?!? :pals: :crazy:

I don't understand why Rummy hasn't received HIS Presidential or Congressional Medal yet, he's much more of a screw-up than George Tennet was. I'm so disgusted at right now, I don't even want to call it "my Government."
Ahrrrgg! War Bad!!!

Nobody talks about how he sold his business, just like he should have. Nobody mentions the laws he didn't break.

:eyes:

I mean an asteroid COULD have collided with Iraq plunging us all into a nuclear-type winter the likes of which haven't been seen since prehistoric times.

Invaders from the planet Omicron Persei 8 could have have invaded the world and enslaved humanity.

Come on people, let's look at the positive.

david

To keep the invaders from Omicron Persei 8 from eating us.

:)

david

Single Female Lawyer
Fighting for her clients
Wearing sexy mini skirts
And being self-reliant

...Single Female Lawyer
Having lots of sex...

Btw, I like your handle.

Two legs better!

and really shake things up a bit eh!

...after the invasion.

Here's a link to one of the stories about it.

<http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff04092003.html>

And here's the report:

<http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2003/03crudevision.pdf>

In fact, YOU guys and YOUR lovely darling precious war that YOU guys JUST HAD TO HAVE are the single and most towering reason why we are ANYTHING BUT safer now. YOU guys have made the world more dangerous, and created more terrorists out of many people who didn't have terribly extreme feelings of negativity against us before. NOW, they do. Thanks to YOU.

YOU guys have screwed the pooch beyond all imaginings. The damage you've done will take years - no, probably DECADES - to undo. In fact, I fear that in some cases, America may NEVER be able to rehabilitate herself completely. We may NEVER fully recover from what and how much you guys have fucked up.

Bullshit, it's the government of george w bush and it will be until they are driven the hell out of there.