Clinton rides on elder Bush's boat

Former President Bill Clinton joined his one-time political foe, former President George H.W. Bush, for a boat ride on the Atlantic Ocean after attending a book-signing Monday.

Clinton was seen kneeling to pet a dog when he arrived at Walker's Point, the summer home of George and Barbara Bush on Maine's rocky coast.

Later, Clinton and Bush waved to onlookers as they boated up and down a river before roaring into the ocean for a short ride in Bush's three-engine boat.

The 1992 election rivals became good friends when they led fund-raising as part of the relief effort for victims of the tsunami that hit Asia in December...

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/06/27/bush.clinton.ap/index.html?section=cnn_allpolitics

Not that I had much respect for Clinton once the DMCA and DOMA came into play, and how all the dead pope pics of the * family with him have the * klan showing scowls on their faces with * either being sincere or a damn good actor... but clinton is as much a powerizer as he is a womanizer.

And he keeps forgetting: No good deed goes unpunished.

yes, George?
How come your kid isn't a fuckup like mine are?
Hillary, George, it's all Hillary.

make me very, very suspicious and uncomfortable?

going to. It is one thing to forgive someone who made your lives miserable for 14 years including firends and staff who suffered legal debt and physical pressure in endless depostiions and grand jury inquiries and the constant work-around of 24/7/365 political assassination. It's another to make us suspicious.

I haven't read even one attempt at a reasonablle explanation. So, I'm also cautious and untrusting.

Bush-Poppy probably hasn't changed. The Clintons appear to have done all the changing.

maybe poppy cant stand georgie any more than georgie can stand poppy.

This is nothing new. Ex-Presidents often become friends and rise above the fray. Look at Adams and Jefferson.

The group of people who have been in their particular shoes is pretty damn small, after all. Doesn't mean that Big Dog is now drinking the Kool-Aid. Give him a little bit of credit, why don't you.

without openly doing it.

It proves that not only is it very difficult to dislike Bill Clinton, especially once you get to know him, he can clearly become friends with nearly anyone, even a former political rival. I have no problem with he and another former president being friends and even colleagues. But if he took up with, say, Ken Starr, then I would begin to worry about the Big Dog.

Unless is politically motivated on Clinton's part. It likely has nothing to do with Sen. Clinton - nothing he can do will change the fact that if she runs for President, she will face the same garbage from the G.O.P. that they faced for 8+ years. More likely it's angling for bipartisan support for his becoming U.N. secretary-general. Whether that is very likely or not, he's definitely putting out feelers. If this is his reasoning, it bugs me. He can certainly be an international heavyweight without that particular position and to cozy up to these folks who will most likley be dragging his family through the mud once again in a few short years is pretty sickening.

The United States is on the Security Council, and those particular member nations are not able to put forth a SG.

the way Steve Irwin studies crocodiles:

"Having trouble boarding the boat, George? Here, let me help.

These two clowns are rehearsing to audition for the remake of "My Fellow Americans." Remember, the movie with James Garner and Jack Lemmon? Apparently these two yutzes need to add to the nest egg. I can see the trailers now: IT'S THE GEORGE AND BILLY SHOW, starring those two lovable ex presidents: Ronnie Reagan's go-to-guy George H W Bush, and Monica's' favorite blow job, Slick Willy Clinton. Don't miss it!

Oy, gag me with a spoon. }(

Yes, we know Big Dog and Monty Bush are friends now.

give a damn! :eyes:

The fact that so many so called liberals and Democrats don't see the problem with these kinds of relationships is a big part of why things have gotten so bad.

We can't find leaders who are more interested in fighting the oposition than chumming it up on their private time? WTF is wrong with you people?

Its all so fucking clubby isn't it? Skull & Bones, Bohemian Grove etc. This empire building is such hard work. Sometimes they just have to take a day or two off, you know? As a matter of fact, it seems to me our whole post WWII history is like a series of high level fraternity pranks. These are some very un-evolved personalities at the wheel. Is Clinton sending a message to the Dems to chill out and go with the flow? Maybe there is a Plan B in place for transition of power with plenty of table scraps for all the haves and have mores.
That would explain Joe Biden's tail wagging lately.

Will America ever grow up???

They will continue to sell our country, piece by piece, to any foreign bidder

bush has already sold it

.. Don Aronow, who was murdered later in Miami during a turf battle among coke importers (CIA/organized crime ops associated w/Noriega & Iran/Contra/coke ops).

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/wisdom/1/bushbio.htm

Talk about "idle rich!" So fascinated by toys he's more than happy to ally himself with bonafide underworld characters to get even more of them.

He'd have a hard time avoiding it, since he has cast his lots with the Batista scums since the 1950's or the beginning of the 1960's.

Thanks for this article, Mika. (If anyone has trouble reading the script on the right margin, just try "highlighting" it with your mouse.)

The toys are just another nice perk, after all.

If * has blood on his hands, Poppy's bathing in it up to his eyebrows.

It's just wrong for them to live with so much pretended piety, when they are so wildly different from their carefully honed images.

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Hope Bill Clinton doesn't see his friendship with _Bush as a chance to regain the respect he believes was stolen from him by the all-out war pitched against him by the Republicans.

Befriending _Bush will drag him down even more.

by associating with Clinton and not the other way around. Clinton is too strong and too intelligent to let Bush drag him down. They had their chance during the impeachment and Clinton won.

Clinton is truly remarkable in that he can get along with anybody and has converted past enemies into friends when they get to know the real person.

It's common for this special past-presidents "club" to form for non-political activities, as it has before, and to join resources and time for causes that benefit humanity.

Democrats than just about anything else. Clinton is their most hated figure and if Bush 1 likes him then maybe the right wing fascists are wrong about him and just possibly wrong about othewr things as well. It can't hurt us and in fact can help a tremendous amount. If the USA is to survive as a caring nation we must somehow become a united nation once more and this is a good start. Current Republicans in power are extremely hate filled and offer only an extremely divided nation. The people that don't buy into the hatred are just tuning out. The Republicans need a divided nation to win the Democrats do not.

This Republican leadership's hatefulness and bullying is incredible.

Still, my gut tightens at each and every one of these partnering events. *sigh* The BFEE has exploited people in such horrifying ways that, well, you know what I mean.

I, on the other hand, see the glass as half-empty...or more. I see this trip as a way to talk privately without any concern for monitoring; a secured ship on open seas is probably one of the best places for a highly sensitive, private conversation.

"I, on the other hand, see the glass as half-empty...or more"

The engineer sees a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be... :)

Won us back the respect of the rest of the world.

Sorry, human nature doesn't work that way. When we're that deep in the throws of hatred, we don't see an act of friendship or kindness or even impersonal courtesy as an example of tolerance that opens our eyes - - we're more likely to see the guy reaching out to the hated ones as a traitor to our cause. Just look at the other posters in this thread who suspect Clinton of something evil because he accepted a boat ride from Smirk's Dad.

The vast majority of people who hate Democrats (especially those who hate the Clintons) will not stop hating us because of something so trivial as Daddy Smirk hanging out with Bill Clinton. You're also forgetting (or unaware of) the fact that Daddy Smirk is not held in that much esteem by the right anyway. According to them, he was the idiot who fumbled after St. Ronnie of the Raygun handed the ball of to him. Daddy Smirk wasn't conservative enough to beat Clinton & Perot (in their theory).

Additionally, everybody seems to forget that Bill Clinton is the most hated Democrat in America (the second most hated is Hillary). What he says and does isn't followed worshipfully by anybody except a part of the Democratic base. The public sees Clinton as the ultimate politician (in a bad way) - - so hanging out with a former foe can just as easily reinforce that image.

but I don't believe they are the MOST hated Democrats. They are the most controversial but I would say Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller are more disliked.

evil spawn and so they use Clinton to stick in in his eye. Both Poppy & Babs have been reported to be as spiteful and vindictive as their spawn and I wouldn't put it past them to show their disapproval of him by chatting it up with Clinton.

Clinton being the kind of politician he is would definitely take advantage of it. :D

But, it annoys me, because we worked so hard defending him, that to see this is kind of disgusting. But, it's all politics, I guess. I hope we
eventually can find Dem candidates who don't have to openly consort with people like the Bushies in the future. :-(

My only question, is it good cop/bad cop or mutt and jeff?

:)

is pretty small and consists at this point of Ford, Carter, Clinton, and chimp senior.

Frankly, I think Clinton should give Carter a call the next time he feels like hanging with another person who once occupied the WH. A distinguised senior statesman and Nobel prize winner who has spent his Post-presidency monitering elections and building homes for the poor would be a much better choice of friend than the senior don of a criminal empire.

own boat; however, no amount of money can buy him back the goodwill and trust he loses everytime he's seen in public with these criminals.

:evilgrin:

and eating pretzels, since he's a great multitasker.

....the vast right wing conspiracy and when he has the goods and hasn't been shot or compromised, he will once again ride to the rescue of the USA.

If not, the reason for the chumminess is almost unthinkable...less so for a Nader-ite like me.

Anything short of that is just mind-boggling!

peace.

even more so, since I'm reading his book. Still, these chummy photo-ops with Poppy raise my hackles. I guess the bottomline is that these guys have nothing to lose by putting aside differences and just hanging out. It is a good example of bi-partisanship, maybe that's ultimately what they are trying to accomplish and be examples of?

Besides President Carter, they are the two remaining active past Presidents. I can see where they would have a unique bond that only someone who has been POTUS would have.

Don't get me wrong, I don't like any Bush but I can see where two men who have literally been able to destroy Earth if they had chosen to would have a connection.

I also think that Clinton is trying to show that people of different parties can get along outside of policy disputes.

Finally, Bush 1 looks like a genius compared to the current dumb ass POTUS.

Bush and Clinton worked together on the Tsunami relief and maybe got to be friends while doing it.

Look at it this way-their friendship bugs the freepers. Anything that bugs the freepers can't be too bad!

and I suppose that it would bug anybody that sees the world in black and white. To me, its harmless, and hey, if they can do some good in the world like they did with tsunami relief, why not?

Imagine what they might be able to accomplish if they turned their efforts to other causes, like an amendment to the Constitution to help people keep their houses safe from developers...

Hurmph!!

Jimmy Carter's friendship with Gearld Ford PROVES that he was responsible for President Kennedy's assination.

Why'd ya think Teddy ran against Carter in '80???


HUH? HUH?????


:sarcasm:

I don't think there's any family conspiracy with the Clinton's and the Bush's. Do Bill and Hill make appearances with each other anymore? It seems like he spends much more time with papa Bush.

I don't think GWB and Clinton are particularly close...at all.

It isn't raining. He's pissing on your leg.

...out on the open ocean. "Tragic accident" with no witnesses? No thanks.

But, Big Dog is a Big Boy. He can do what he wants. I don't have to like it, though.

:shrug:

...keep your enemies closer."

I've lurked here for a long while now, resisting the urge to jump in, but I have to this time. (I only hope I don't get tombstoned for mentioning a "conspiracy" subject...)

I think the reason these two hang out is the simple fact they're both members of the Trilateral Commission. Frankly, all the members of this body seem to have a kind of secret mutual admiration thing going on, only feuding in public for the sake of their parties.

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to me whenever two Tri's get together, there's something darker going on under that genial surface.

...:hi:

That's Clinton's diagnosis for people who can't understand that friendships can cross political lines. And I agree. I find it incredible that a lot of people here can't see that. Is political belief some sort of litmus test for friendship?

But Bush Jr. is responsible for the deaths and maiming of 100s of thousands of innocents and his father is a war profiteer.

There is a difference.

I agree with you. My buddy, Andy the Right Wing Republican, and I are about 174 degrees opposite of one another on the political compass. But we've been friends for a decade -- even if that includes timeouts during campaign seasons.
John
We've managed to only have one fist fight during those ten years and BOTH of us were begging for that one (yes, it involved politics).

I like Bill but c'mon, this is getting sickening.

Carter wants NOTHING to do w/ Clinton since he (Clinton) met JFK when he was a teenager.

Carter is buddy's w/ Ford (Warren Commission .... HELLO?), Carter helped cover up the real story behind JFK's assassination.

Come now, it so easy to SEE!

:sarcasm:

The whole "Watergate" thing? Carter and Ford. It was their plot to get Ford into the White House and a nice retirement. Ford never wanted to win that second term.

It was all planned. Too bad Reagan came along and screwed the whole thing up. That was actually Ted Kennedy's revenge for Ford killing JFK.


I seen it.

:sarcasm:

Reagan is responsible for JFK's assasination. :sarcasm:

Nancy plotted the whole thing.

They are involved in a giant chess game. Can you guess who the kings are and who are the pawns.

If Jr. gets impeached, and takes Daddy's old friends with him, Sr. will not have all of the political muscle that he is use to. It may hamper his ability to loot the world. The Repugs are going into the next election cycle with a major war wound. So what or who will George and the gang get if they can insure a Hillary nomination and win in 2008?

Her entire elected career consists of one partial term in the Senate. What has she accomplished as a Senator? Nothing impressive. She voted the wrong way on all the major votes - - she voted for the invasion of Iraq, she voted for the Patriot Act, etc., etc. etc. Let's get real here - - that horrible voting record would be a major handicap for a (white) male (straight) (protestant) candidate. For a female candidate (or a minority or gay candidate) that kind of poor voting record will be the cement rock around her neck.

Currently, Congress is polling LOWER than Smirk. It's not that the public blames the GOPers for the mess we're in, they're blaming anybody in office. (For example, in PA both Santorium and Rendell are in trouble.) The idea that the 2008 Dem nominee will cakewalk into the White House is just as off base as the idea that the 2004 Dem nominee would only have to show up to win in a landslide.

What kind of campaign could she run? Given her voting record, she couldn't run as somebody who wants to take the country in an entirely new direction - - she doesn't have the history to back it up. It will look exactly like what it is - - somebody who has done nothing, making promises that they probably can't deliver. Or, she could run an "everything's basically alright, it just needs tweaking" campaign and lose worse than poor Fritz Mondale did.

And who would be running for the red team? The two current front runners for the GOP nomination are Guilliani and McCain - - Guilliani has been out of office and has intentionally avoided getting tangled up with the Smirk admin - - and he's got a long record of public service. McCain's entire public persona is that he's the guy who stands up to and apart from Smirk, and the media are his biggest cheerleaders. Plus, McCain has a billion years of experience, with important moderate and even liberal friendly legislation to his credit. His only negatives are about questionable business dealings in the 1980s - - and HRC, innocent or not, is perceived as WAY more dirty in the public mind, thanks to all the little elves.

Additionally, you have to look at HRC's negatives. She is the second most hated Democrat in America - - second only to her husband. And the people who hate her really hate her - - and they will work their backsides off to defeat her - - and they outnumber the people who love her. Factor in the way the electoral college breaks down and there is no way that HRC can compete with either of these guys, let alone beat them.

Any GOPer will be able to beat HRC, unless they are so unbelievably, openly batsh*t crazy that nobody will vote for them - - I'm talking Tom Cruise level crazy here. Book it.

We're talking about the allusion of a fair election,
not a real election process at all. What package can these guys sell to the American public which will look some what legitimate

That's why he became a Democrat! (Although now he's converting.)

we fear the damage they are causing to society and civilization and nature.

President Clinton's friendship with the bushes (evil family that they are) will force them to soften future criticism of the left. Think about it. If Clinton is so evil in the eyes of the right, why are their leaders embracing him?

I think Pres. Clinton is playing a brilliant ploy that will help Hilary (or other Dems) in the future.

http://news.mainetoday.com/apwire/D8B0MO601-178.shtml

KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine — Former Presidents George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton teed off Tuesday for a round of golf on the second day of a get-together by the one-time political foes at Bush´s summer home along the Maine coast.

Chatting briefly with reporters near the first tee at Cape Arundel Golf Club, Bush and Clinton said their friendly relationship should demonstrate to people at home and abroad that political rivalries need not stand in the way of personal friendship.

The two former presidents cemented their friendship earlier this year when the current President Bush appointed them to head up fund-raising to assist victims of the Asian tsunami.

Now he's gotta do everything Poppy says.

(I don't actually believe that, but I don't put anything past the Bushes, knowmsayn?)

He's been trailing Poppy around like a puppy. I can't help but imagine that Poppy has a remote control button.

:rofl:

It's in the bag already.

Shit, I wish he'd stop fraternizing with the enemy.

Bill is the son that Poppy always wanted.

He has more in common, politically, with Poppy Bush than he does with most DUers.

Sorry, kids, it's the truth.

Welfare "reform," DOMA, the TDA, the '95 crime bill... Clinton did more to further the Republican agenda than Poppy ever did -- that's why the old man looks up to him.

...conservative Democrat. This isn't like Russ Feingold all the sudden becoming a friend of Poppy.

You don't get to choose people's friends for them. Why don't you look at the real things that exist about which one should be outraged and leave these two to fish or golf if they want. Geez.

I'm tellin' ya.

Bill knows who runs the political machinery in this country, and he's smoochin' right up to the Chief Butthole.

:puke:

These stories about George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton have been going on ad nauseam in this forum.

I'm not the least bit concerned about any so-called "friendship" Bill Clinton and Shrub#1 may or may not have. Neither should you.

They are both former presidents working on non-political issues together for the benefit of all nations. For example: funding for aids research, etc.

This thread is flamebait and serves no useful purpose except to stir up anti-Clinton and anti-Democratic party emotions.

Wouldn't it be fucked up if he divorced and then became Shrubya's son-in-law?

She musta heard about BigDawg's cunning linguistic skills...

"C'mon, man! I'll get you a position at the Carlyle Group, but ya gotta bang my wife!" "Ah don't know George, 30 million ain't that much..."

I know, I'm sick :spank:

Never mind.

underwear.

the hatred ascribed to Bush Sr. here. He may not be your favorite President, but he was much, much better than his son.

Clean Air Act, American's with Disabilities Act, etc. He was also possibly the most internationally respected president we've had since Ike (and possibly further). He was also at lesat nominally pro-choice.

His major failure IMHO was appointing Thomas to the court. Other than that, I would take 10 of him over another Reagan or Shrub.

to Canadian companies as a prelude to getting a seat on their board of directors?

it up for the camera just to see the NeoCons and Freepers go crazy.

I don't know why, I just do.

brain implants...and that now he's a Repug robot. He hated the Shrubs before his heart surgery. The degree of his reversal since is downright spooky.

The guy is scum!

that POTUS's once out of office are "deprogrammed"

doesn't Clinton have better, more fun, people to hang out with? I can't picture the elder Bush is someone very fun to pal around with (nor W, but Clinton's not being buddies with him ... yet).

But to some, this shows the two parties are part of the same team...which is why well over half the voting public sits out elections.

My wife thinks they all suck and Paul Wellstone was really getting to her (even though she's more a moderate) because he was a real person who gave a shit about something other than his own power.

It will be someone JUST LIKE Paul that gets our team back on track...Bill Clinton isn't anything like Paul for all the good Clinton did do.

and I don't trust him and his new buddy anymore. He lies all the time and always has and its all about image.

I don't see him hanging around with Chelsea or Hillary that much.

Imagine! I'm shocked. Shocked I say! :popcorn:

Gyre