'Uniter' Biden says he can win in the red states

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.), who is rarely thought of as a centrist, plans to take his presidential campaign to red states and rural voters in a bid to show that he has the quality that many party strategists say is key to winning the 2008 presidential primary: electability.

Biden yesterday announced the formation of a leadership political action committee, Unite Our States, with the purpose of electing a candidate "committed to addressing the challenges facing our country by beginning to unite 'red' and 'blue' states, big cities and small towns, and Americans of all walks of life."

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/062905/biden.html

More he talk, more, I don't care for this corporate elit man!:grr:

He appears to be "BREAKING WIND" continuously on Television these days.

he was talking about what we need to do to help the Iraqis get back on their feet - he said that we need to install PCV pipes into the Tigris River so they can dispose of their trash which otherwise would build up on their yards! I kid you not!! What a SOB!

He is a lazy, witless piece of garbage.

victory speech?

That's the only reason I can imagine they'd be voting for Biden.

For the record, I am a rural red-state voter, and I'd have a hard time even voting for Biden in the general (although I would, of course). Of course, I don't own any MBNA stock.

"And ven vee come back, VEE CUT OFF YOUR JOHNSON!"

"he has the quality that many party strategists say is key to winning the 2008 presidential primary: electability."

Who the hell comes up with "electability? The candidate himself? Now, there is an unbiased source. When is the last time anyone heard a candidate say: "I'm running but I'm not electable." The Kerry people pushed his 'electability' over Governor Dean. Worked like a charm in the primaries, but hit some rough ground in the general election.
Biden ought to take another trip to Iraq and defect.

They're both pretty tight with the voting machine industry.

but while only one anti-war seat (Graham, FL) was lost of the 8 anti-war seats up in '04 (Boxer, Feingold, Inouye, Leahy, Mikulski, Murray, and Wyden), FIVE of the 11 pro-war seats were lost--all in the much-vaunted red states (for '04 presidential) the self-proclaimed moderates tell us they can win so well (Breaux's, Daschle, Edwards's, Hollings's, Miller's lost; Bayh, Dodd, Dorgan, Lincoln, Reid, and Schumer won)

Graham, Breaux, Hollings, and Edwards didn't lose (though arguably Edwards may have). They retired.

If I remember correctly, Daschle was the only incumbent senator to have lost his seat.

That said, I agree that the DLC strategy of capitulating to the GOP on various issues (like the war) has shown no benefit and is a bankrupt idea. Instead, Feingold showed that one can vote his or her conscience and get reelected (that too by a large margin) if that person shows him or herself to be principled and honest.

talking about their seats. And even without those, that's 1 incumbent pro-war Senator lost to 1 retiring anti-war Senator's seat

because it's pretty damn clear and convincing.

Instead what we see is constant rehashing of the same old losing "strategy" that's made them irrelevant in the first place. If 12 years and 6 elections in a row aren't enough to clue them in- I'm not sure anything will. Short of a much stronger Green party....

elected the Gropinator in a landslide.

in an election, by definition, you have to prove it.

...Just a thought...

Boy! He's really good for a laugh sometimes. :rotf:

but I can't get past his hair transplants.

Instead of very obvious plugs. It looks like his hair is coming out of individual blowholes!

Orpans and old folks Joe, you're wasting everyone's time.. you may have been perhaps quite a "mimbo" (male "Bimbo") in your time, but you have all the rational capacity of a blender..

You're an idiot, very nearly a DINO in my opinion, and so boring to listen to I'd rather sit out in the yard and watch the grass grow.

I'm sure you scare the ever lovin' shit out of the PNAC'rs with your tough stances which change with the wind.

Take Lieberman with you and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out :)

That Biden has to examine a few positions, here and there.

That said, he would be a welcome relief after 8 years of the chimp.

Then on the other hand he may not be.

Don

would be a welcome relief after 8 years of Bush. Doesn't mean I'm going to nick myself and go swimming, though.

Now this is a campaign I can actually get behind. Think of the comic relief as Joementum Jr. (aka Hairpiece Harry) stands up there and attempts to explain to DEMOCRATS his support for the war, the bankruptcy bill, Alberto Gonzalez, etc.

He'll need to plagarize Houdini to get out of those dicey situations.

...:rofl: :rofl:

n/t

A good phrase is a good phrase and should be used over and over.

And he would probably lose several blue states as well. This guy has a huge ego and a small brain.

You are gonna need someone who comes from the South or West to win. Biden doesn't have any regular guy points.

He is too up the weed's ass!

:mad: Alberto Gonzales is a good man :puke:

Retire Joe.

Sounds like he has latched on to Dean's grassroots movement in an attempt to be the be all to all. Except he may be perceived as an opportunist rather than a candidate willing to go for the people. His vote on the bankruptcy bill is an indication where he is coming from.

there are quite a few other "human Chia Pets" out there. But to make it work, he'd have to form a coalition with the rug wearers :-)

step away from the samera Joe, you aint gonna make through the primary.

they don't read DU much do they?

He does ZERO for me, but I'd take him over any Republican. That's the best I can say about Biden.

what Biden stands for...or against?

I'm genuinely looking for knowledge here, because he doesn't impress me and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

maybe you'll convince me.

I haven't hitched my wagon to anyone yet for 2008...well, other than ABAR (anyone but a repuke).

that a lot people allude to. I like his style. He talks plainly and with a great amoount of passion. My neighbor was his campaign manager years ago in his very first campaign. He said that Joe was one of the nicest guys he'd ever worked for. But he said back then he was very shy and he had a hard time thinking that he could ever make it big politically. I don't know yet who I will "hitch my wagon to" either. I'm watching and listening just like you. But I haven't yet dismissed any possible candidate.

I think my initial dislike of him is a style issue because I can't tell you anything more substantial.

I really don't know even the most basic things about him...but I am intrigued by your post.

Have you looked at any of the man's votes? Like the one in favor of the bankruptcy legislation? Or his continued support for the credit card industry at the expense of consumers? Not to mention his *continued* support for the Iraq War? And his willingness to consider even further invasions and excursions in the Middle East? Or the fact that he's one of the least pro-labor of the Dems? Or his support for supposed free trade agreements? A lot there to like, huh?


The author of the piece forgot to mention that the reason Biden isn't thought of as a centrist is because he's actually a conservative.

He came through Cleveland a few years back and I got to meet him when I was involved with the county party. Seem genuine and is actually very likable in person.

Remember, when war ferver was gripping the nation, it was Joe who was providing really the only sane voice from our side of the isle. I mean in a way that the mainstream media would take notice....

Having said that, his vote for the bankruptcy bill seals his place in the GOP lite hall of fame for me.....

That bill was like blaming a rape victum for wearing sexy clothes......

I was impressed with him during Kerry's campaign, but he really won me over during the meetings on Bolton.

I think he would make a great candidate and president.
I think Biden has alot of the traits that I like in Kerry, but with more charisma.

that hurt working class people, he chides other Democrats about not reaching out to Republicans, he is actually out of touch with Democrats who are fed up with accomadation and of course his credit card bankruptcy vote.

Or, don't you want to learn to do an honest days work?

Gyre

voice. Any democrat seeking true support and money from us must accomplish this-- a Kerry II is not acceptable.

So Hillary and Biden and Kerry can speculate all they want but

Who it will be is the one that starts building loyalty with the dem voters NOW. It's the one that steps up to the plate NOW.

No voice, no vote.

he could win some red states. He's in the wrong party.

I'll take Hillary, at least her hair is real!

The only one who would do worse in red states is Hillary.

:smoke:

...but JESUS CHRIST ON THE CRAPPER!

(takes deep breath)

No offense to Mondale, Dukakis, or Kerry, but haven't we learned our lessons? We need someone with the personality of a Clinton, the firey vigor of a Dean, and the heart of a Gore. Biden is just another (percieved) wimpy wishy-washy politician, the kind our party always seems to nominate... and the kind we always lose with. When you add Diebold to the equation... ugh.

We better not nominate this clown.

Joe Biden smokes dope again. Film at 11.

... they will alienate their base. Nice move!

get MY vote.

open your eyes.

keep moving the gd "center" post to the right, and more to the right yet again, and the country ends up with the most radical extremist under the heading of the "Republican" party that's is being referred to as "conservative" - and who here would describe this administration AND congress as anything but right extremists the radical right - who here even thinks these people are "conservative"?

Those that do, must be too young to have developed a frame of reference to understand that there is a huge difference between Conservative and these clowns that are running roughshod in this country these past four years.

And that's what happens when you keep moving the "center" post further to the right.

Biden and Lieberman are no more "centrists" in the real sense of the word than, say Eisenhower. Hell, if up against Eisenhower, I might prefer Ike over these two clowns. This is Clinton's doing, with the so called "New Democrat" back in the late 80's early nineties.

I'm not talking about fiscal conservatism - I talking about Neo Liberalism which is essentially closely associated with Neo Conservatism when it comes to FOREIGN POLICIES.

And so if the Biden's and the Lieberman's or even Clinton gets the nomination in '08 - if it starts to look like that's what the party lemmings are going for - then I'll predict that Green Party will take off in spades, and maybe that'll be a good thing for our democracy. A Three or Four Pary system is much healthier for real democracy than this phony one party system under the guise of two.

Don't want to see the Greens or Independent take off in the next Presidential elections?

Then Just Say NO to the Same Ole' same ole!

Say No to Lieberman, Biden, or even Clinton.

Say it loud and often, or forever hold your peace when we ask for Nader to run again or Cobb against Biden et al.

No more republican enablers!

are EXACTLY the guys that are gonna mess it up for all of us in 2008.

"The implication is that Clinton is a divider."

I've long since accepted that hilary's actually not gonna run in 2008 but has no problem being the spin target for the rethugs while we get good candidates. It could be a brilliant bait and switch. She's taking bullets for the best dem candidate and these guys are some of the old school entrenched power politicos that are shooting. we can't let this happen.

We need to let these guys go down with the ship while we keep building from the ground.

in Delaware. He won't unite. He is too busy denying his libr'ul roots (if he ever had any.)

You're sooooo 1988. :eyes:

You are lucky to be in office as a senator..no one lse out here would vote for you :)

Biden (the Bi-dem who swings boths ways) is supposed to scare us into Hillary's waiting arms.

the South wouldn't touch that man with a ten foot poll. :rofl:

never mind the Red ones. Talk about delusional!

He thinks they invite him to appear on their shows because he's "popular" when in fact it's because he's a stooge who serves to hurt his own party and further the right wing agenda.

The people of Delaware should have sent him packing a long time ago-

not impressed with him at all

No way...

I will vote for anybody but repulicans in 08. Would I rather have a purist you bet. But imagine the horror if the repubs manage to steal another four years. I dont like some of Bidens decisions but he's a hell of alot better than anything the repubs can dish out.

I will vote for anybody but repulicans in 08. Would I rather have a purist you bet. But imagine the horror if the repubs manage to steal another four years. I dont like some of Bidens decisions but he's a hell of alot better than anything the repubs can dish out.

Thanks but no thanks...

I say no because red state republicans tend to listen to rightwing talk shows, so their rightwingers think Dems are communists that hate America. The only way to victory is to choose truth and not equivacate with rightwing talking points. The DLC will guarantee a minority party status. Rightwingers from the red states can only be swayed with showing them the truth. Otherwise, they choose rightwing republicans who talk the lies with more conviction and venom.