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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:20 PM
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Bush Gives Global AIDS Fighters Ultimatum
Bush Gives Global AIDS Fighters Ultimatum
By JUAN-CARLOS RODRIGUEZ, Associated Press Writer

Friday, July 8, 2005



(07-08) 10:04 PDT WASHINGTON, (AP) --


U.S. groups fighting AIDS overseas are being given an ultimatum by the government: Pledge your opposition to sex trafficking and prostitution or do without federal funds.


The new rule has created confusion among health groups that wonder how it will affect them, and has drawn criticism from others who say it infringes on free speech rights and could do more harm than good.


It will affect about $2.2 billion in AIDS grants and contracts this year, according to Kent Hill, acting administrator for global health at the U.S. Agency for International Development, which recently issued a policy directive outlining the regulation.


Hill said the pledge is a tool the United States can use to make sure none of its money goes to support a practice he called degrading and debilitating.

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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/08/national/w050921D83.DTL
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:22 PM
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1. GW Bush
GW Bush ultimatum: Quit lying to the American public, or be prepared for impeachment.


What is with him and the sex traffic trade??
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:24 PM
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5. Maybe it cuts into the BFEE profit margin? n/t
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:26 PM
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7. I guess Tom Delay is holding out on his money that he made from-
the Saipan islands sex trade.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:11 PM
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13. His mama made him do it
She's still pissed at having her Beautiful Mind® sullied by reading about Neil's Thai action~
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:23 PM
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2. Just another bu$h fuck up
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:24 PM
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3. Translation: abstinence only and no condoms or no money
Douchebag!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:33 PM
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9. bingo
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:24 PM
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4. this is fucking sick.
all it will do it alienate those who need aid MOST..that is, the prostitutes and the sex workers. Now they will fear to seek help from these organizations, and AIDS will spread unabated because of some psychotic holier than thou devotion to narrowminded "morality". Fucking disgusting!
:mad: :puke:
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:37 PM
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23. Totally
They don't call it the world's oldest profession for nothing.

Seriously, it's ubiquitous. I have a friend who used to be an actual, working prostitute. I also have a friend who screwed a guy to get a bird on her life list. As Salt and Pepa put it, "She use what she got to get what she don't got." Trading sex for money, security, diamonds, coltan, or food has been around forever.

These women (and men) need help and education without judgement. How can you call a starving African woman trying to feed a houseful of children an immoral person?

When the last rich capitalist renounces the last trophy wife, then and only then will prostitution be ended.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:26 PM
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6. Well then I guess Delay is out of the picture
Neal too
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:28 PM
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8. yeah I guess the Bush junta forgot about this pledge....
when they extended "aid" to Gannon/Guckert. Fuckign hypocrites!
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:39 PM
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10. This is steer manure
Is anybody out there for prostitution? Sex trafficking?

I wouldn't even accuse Mr. Bush of being in favor of such abominations, in spite of his free market beliefs.

It isn't the norm to be in favor of prostitution or sex trafficking. We ought to assume that unless one stands up and says he's all for prostitution and sex trafficking that he is not.

So what is the point of forcing everybody to stand up and say that one is opposed to such things?

Where are the conservatives who often decry unnecessary government regulations?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:00 PM
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12. if someone wants to pay for sex, that's their business
and in some countries, prostitution is okay

go to Nevada if you want legal hookers

and so many other areas simply look the other way when it comes to prostitution

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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:18 PM
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16. As with drugs and abortion . . .
. . . there is a distinction between being favor legalizing it and being in favor of doing it.

It's one thing to throw up a white flag and say that it can be more effectively dealt with if it is out in the open; even if one doesn't agree with that proposition as it pertains to prostitution, it is a discussion honest people can have.

And you're right, there are places in the US where it is legal; so who is Bush to talk?

However, we are also talking here about underdeveloped countries where prostitution is often exploitive. It's not pretty or glamorous. It's an option often taken as an option to escape poverty and more often than not fails in that purpose.

Regardless, we the people of the world need to get this epidemic under control. It is not helpful to complicate that goal with others, even if they are laudable.

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nevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:11 PM
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17. Bush should have forfeited his
electoral votes from Nevada. It would have been the honorable thing for him to do. Honor? Bush? :rofl:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:30 PM
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22. No, it's not just their business. Especially when very frequently they
are renting the vaginas of captive women and underage girls.

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:12 PM
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14. It promotes prostitution in the eyes of religious maniacs
Edited on Fri Jul-08-05 02:24 PM by kenny blankenship
if the prostitute is allowed to live without quickly catching a hideously disfiguring and hopefully fatal disease. Likewise it promotes deviated preversions if the prevert is allowed to live without his dick falling off due to some hideous and hopefully fatal disease.
Get it? Disease prevention of any sort related to venereal disease equals promoting 'white slavery' or promoting the 'homuhsekshual agenda.'

Why do they get so crazy about this stuff, prefering to see misery instead of trying to alleviate suffering? Because they see medicine and outreach programs like AIDS prevention as interfering with God's punishment. What you think of as simple "public health measures" they call persecution of Christianity and Christian values.

If there is a CHANCE God might punish with disease a wikkid womaen who tempts men with her flesh, or a wikkid sodomite, then they would prefer nobody interfere with that chance. It's obstructing the forward progress of God's Wrath. Their God often works through disease (read the Bible) and if God punishes some wikkid women and some Sodomites, as he apparently does, then His Justice is not perfect or complete unless ALL wikkid women and sodomites suffer the same fate. Basically every case of AIDS prevented is an opportunity wasted when, if no intervention had ocurred, they might have had the sanctifying pleasure of seeing someone else suffering God's wrath.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:26 PM
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21. There are a TON of DU'ers who will defend with great vigor
the right of a man to pay money for access to a woman's vagina.

Opposition to prostitution and sex trafficking is extremely controversial. The Canadian government was actively involved in sex trafficking.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 01:41 PM
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11. You can have some money for AIDS prevention
but you can't talk about deviated preversions like sodomy or talk about prostitution of any kind, or talk to or give materials like condoms or pamphlets to prostitutes or deviated preverts. Nor may you visit or send informational flyers to the horrible places where such filthy people congregate for their evuul purposes.

Also, I require that each of your agency's department heads and station chiefs prove his loyalty to JESUS CHRIST by cutting out the heart of a live prostitute, straight or deviated, and offering it to God's Only Son in a sacrificial fire made from cedar wood and frankincense. Then they must spit on the ashes and declare in a loud voice witnessed by 2 Methodist deacons, whom I shall name at a later time, "I renounce all demons, preversions, and devilry."

Then they must click their heels 3 times and turn about with their left index finger laid alongside their nose.

Then they must defecate on a photograph of the founder of Planned Parenthood. And on a photograph of the current Chairwoman of NOW as well, whoever that shall be at the time.

Then they must take a Holy Bible and rub it all over their naked bodies declaring "I am free of the unclean filth of abortion and preversion."

Then after lecturing the recipients of their indoctrinating pamphlets and unholy latex prophylactic devices about the benefits and virtues of clitorectomy, then and only then they may apply for the funding to continue their chosen work which is contrary to the laws of Nature's God.

And when I receive their applications for funding, I promise I'll think about it.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 02:15 PM
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15. Funny, but probably not too far from the truth. eom
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:21 PM
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18. The usual idiotic statement by this irrational fool
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:24 PM
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19. As long as they still treat and educate prostitutes, I applaud this.
Sex trafficking and prostitution are part of a MAJOR problem in both HIV and in women's rights generally.

And, no, I don't give a flying fuck about a man's right to buy a vagina.
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LiberallyInclined Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:26 PM
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20. I HATE this country more and more every day.
I'm embarrassed to be a citizen of the united sack-of-shit states of america.

christian looney-tune fuckwads have ruined this land, from sea to shining sea.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:46 PM
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24. Ultimatum to Neil Bush:
"Pledge your opposition to sex trafficking and prostitution or do without federal funds."

Just kidding. He'll keep getting federal funds. He's BFEE.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-08-05 06:50 PM
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25. Nail on the head!
SO, Neil, whattaboudit?
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