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Mark E. Smith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:05 AM Original message |
Healing Power Of Prayer Doubted In Patient Study |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
1. healing works, but only |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Healing? Like laying on of hands healing? |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:00 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I think the article is referring to "healing" as praying for recovery. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:10 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I refuse to pray that way. |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. you mean the top god has no ego that needs honoring? |
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rogue_bandit (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 04:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
37. Great phrase |
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bigluckyfeet (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. I Believe In the Power of Prayer |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 09:06 AM Response to Reply #45 |
70. I don't |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
108. I believe in evidence. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
131. Christianity is only 2K years old. I believe in the sky people that have |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #14 |
119. Welcome to DU antifaschits |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. Right. When someone credits "prayer" or "God" for a child's recovery |
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reprobate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Interesting study about talking to plants I saw long ago. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
50. Hey, that's cool AND scientifically sound! |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 06:56 AM Response to Reply #25 |
66. so to the plants, we are god? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
87. Are plants sentient? And how do plants "behave", exactly? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 04:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. My plants behave badly |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 02:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. we be in a drought here |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 11:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. I'm a nurse. I guess I'm not religious enough anymore |
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AlwaysQuestion (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. I like the way you think |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. One Would Think That A Deity Could Overcome Such Minor Obstacles ... |
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pop goes the weasel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 10:28 AM Response to Reply #1 |
20. the ugly flip side to that |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. Prove it. EOM |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. Prove it to yourself....you can't ask another to do it for you.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Uh, you can when they make an unproven assertion. |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 12:18 AM Response to Reply #51 |
61. Who can prove it? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 03:35 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Well, you're describing the placebo effect... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #61 |
113. Provable things can be proven. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:06 AM Response to Reply #44 |
74. No, you made the claim, you prove it. |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:34 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Disease and other things that require healing... |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #76 |
84. You are muddling the facts. |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 11:43 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. I can't argue with that.... |
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powwowdancer (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 07:34 AM Response to Reply #85 |
97. beware the movie "What the *** do they know" |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
43. You must always get permission... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #43 |
112. Why must you get permission or be specific? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
49. I love your posts, but respectfully, can you offer proof of this claim? |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
62. being an orthodox-non-mystic is pretty extreme..... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 03:38 AM Response to Reply #62 |
65. I'm not what you label me as. |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:53 AM Response to Reply #65 |
81. I wasn't trying to label you.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
86. "does not deny the reality of it" - nor does it prove it actually happens. |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. People refusing any sort of healing... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. True enough. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. Just another scientific study to ignore and belittle in support |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Precisely. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:42 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. It won't matter. Charismatics who believe |
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powwowdancer (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 09:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
71. BINGO! |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:17 AM Response to Original message |
3. Anything people know of and believe in will work, somewhat. |
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Loki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
4. As a nurse for over 20 years and a parent for many more |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
52. "touch is a form of prayer" - that's a very sweet notion. |
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powwowdancer (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #52 |
72. Unless you're an altar boy... |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
7. How does the study affect those who pray for our troops in Iraq? n/t |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:02 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. I haven't seen that prayer is helping them that much, but maybe I'm too |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. You and I have been praying for the same thing, so much for prayer. n/t |
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DanCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:01 AM Response to Original message |
10. I fully support prayer and medicine in combination with each other. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Did you read the article? |
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DanCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. Yes I read the article (nt) |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. The congreations just didn't pray hard enough to help, that's why |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
16. do you mean I've been putting my hands on the tv for nothing? n/t |
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powwowdancer (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 09:13 AM Response to Reply #16 |
73. No, no, no... yer not doing it right... |
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geckosfeet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
17. You are being unamerican and unpatriotic by repeating these lies. n/t |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:43 AM Response to Original message |
18. Memphis Minnie said it best: |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
21. Nothing fails like Prayer. |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
22. Fleecing |
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Domitan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
23. What I find interesting here |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
28. God is an HMO |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
88. Wow, I did a double-take, thought it said HOMO. |
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RaRa (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
29. I vaguely recall a cover article in Utne Reader |
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Fiona (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
53. Yes |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
30. It's amazing that money is still being wasted on this |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
121. whaaat??? ... |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:39 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. It's not a knee jerk |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #123 |
125. let me get this straight |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 06:26 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. The triangle acts like any other community |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #129 |
135. OK well... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
32. Misleading headline, to say the least |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. Give me one pair of working hands |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. We're to be doers of the word, not just hearers |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 07:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Could it be the natural progression? |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
93. It is/was a natural progression |
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PittPoliSci (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
34. this just in! cancer still not cured by well-wishing. |
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Lilli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
36. And you can find other studies that say the opposite |
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Fiona (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Can you find us some? |
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Lilli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 11:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. BBC |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. But can you find a study with good methodology that can be replicated? |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
122. If people put major medical institutions |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:40 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Oh boo hoo, I'll bet they're all in fear of the mockery on DU. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 06:45 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. OK |
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powwowdancer (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #36 |
126. there's studies, and then there's studies... |
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chknltl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
39. A quote or two.... |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. Even from a theological standpoint, I wouldn't expect this prayer to work |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
42. Yes, but astrology works wonders! |
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usregimechange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
46. Why even study it? What about the smurf factor? |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
99. Huh? Smurf factor? |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
47. Why Prayer Works |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-16-05 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
48. Duh? |
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progressivebydesign (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 12:01 AM Response to Original message |
58. So one patient has tons of prayers...dies. Another with none.. lives. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
59. Spiritual power |
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truthpusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 11:08 AM Response to Reply #59 |
83. It must come from the individuals higher self.... |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #83 |
95. Exactly so |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #59 |
107. Now if someone could just provide evidence to support the claim. |
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The Traveler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #107 |
137. Evidence? There is plenty |
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burrowowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
60. Think healing has more to do with |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
63. No Surpise .... |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
67. Fascinating discussion! |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 06:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
127. I agree |
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stevebreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 08:16 AM Response to Original message |
68. my favorite comment on prayer comes from Emo Phillips |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #68 |
132. Ahhhh! - You've discovered the secrets of Repuke success! |
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Darwins Finch (110 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
69. Why intercessionary prayer? |
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bcbarrett (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
75. In the immortal words of Joan Crawford |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:38 AM Response to Original message |
77. "Study shows magic spells, charms not effective" |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
133. What about frogs? Frogs and leeches? |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
78. "You are No Longer Brainwashed!" |
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CGrantt57 (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
79. Why, oh why, do y'all hate Jesus??? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 03:05 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. Hell, I'm not even convinced Jesus existed. |
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Stephanie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
80. "did not effect" |
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Dervill Crow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 05:38 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. Effect is correct, as in "effecting a change." n/t |
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AngryWhiteLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-17-05 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
82. Opens suggestion that "distance prayer" effect was "deluted" |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
96. The three words that make me doubt,,, |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
98. Healing vs curing |
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UncleSepp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 09:56 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Beautifully put! |
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TankLV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 07:42 PM Response to Reply #98 |
134. Hey, you're gonna die, and you look and feel like shit. |
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wallwriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
102. How 'bout the healing power of affordable health care? |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. *snicker* |
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wallwriter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. Thanks. I've also got some wacky ideas about |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
105. what a stupid study |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 04:47 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Why? Does knowing the person change the outcome? |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. No. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. Heh! I always laugh at those "prayer heals" phony studies. |
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Timmy5835 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
110. This really has little to do with religion |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. The "only 10% of your brain" thing is bogus and untrue. |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #110 |
115. That we use only 10% of our brain power was disproved 20 years ago. nt |
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Timmy5835 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #115 |
117. link, please |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:17 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Three sourcesfor you |
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put out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 08:15 PM Response to Reply #120 |
136. Thank you. n/t |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
116. The study is flawed. They didn't put an L. Ron Hubbard pamphlet on |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
118. Healing works, but ONLY |
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hexola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-18-05 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
128. Haven't they watched Benny Hinn?? |
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