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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 08:55 PM
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Pentagon report says Europe should not sell arms to China
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=1fe1f60078059dec

Big News Network.com Friday 22nd July, 2005

The European Union lifting its arms embargo against China would bring 'serious and numerous' consequences, according to a Defense Department report released this week.

The European Union has embargoed arms sales to China since the 1989 Tiananmen Square crackdown. In the past year China has run an intense lobbying effort to have the ban lifted, a move strongly opposed by U.S. officials.

'We think the Chinese would be able to obtain in Europe a lot of military or dual-use technologies that would be of great qualitative benefit to them,' a senior DoD official said July 19 on background.

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Ya and I bet they will listen too!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:00 PM
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1. love it--the Pentagon still telling Europe what to do.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:06 PM
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5. These are not idle threats either. The US is still occupying most of Europe
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 09:07 PM by NNN0LHI
I think the majority of US controlled European puppet governments will do exactly what they are told to do.

Don
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:18 AM
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17. ... or they'll end up like Aldo Moro
Time for an FBI shakedown of the Pentagon. This is not an ethical method of conducting business.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:01 PM
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2. Who is the U.S. to tell Europe not to sell arms to China
Especially since it's selling them just about everthing else?

:headbang:
rocknation
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:04 PM
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3. Hey "free markets" baby. Why don't they STFU. The US looks so
petty. We and our anglo "western" friends can have arms, the rest of the world cannot.

Heaven forbid, the Chinese might sell them to Iran or some other country the US has labeled as "undersireable".

Then there's that bit about the competition may lead Russia and Israel to sell them more than they already do. WTF are these idiots trying to prove?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:05 PM
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4. nothing new here... Europe scraped the project when...
China threatened Taiwan

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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:20 PM
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6. Major US corporations are fucking selling'em. . .
It's called political monopoly! Motherfuckers are greedy as all bullshit.
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cssmall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:20 PM
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7. Major US corporations are fucking selling'em. . .
It's called political monopoly! Motherfuckers are greedy as all bullshit.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 09:43 PM
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8. And this is precisely why a global economy will never work....
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:23 PM
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9. Whilest the U$ may!
Hypocrites
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:29 PM
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10. Does China "need" to buy arms? They have manpower and money
and a lot of land.. They will just 'import' the technology they need (if they have not already), and build them for themselves..They will probably become a big seller of arms..

and they are awash with money :(
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:36 PM
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11. China can make its own arms. It steals tech anyway and has
Edited on Fri Jul-22-05 10:37 PM by barb162
been doing it for years. They must be gearing up to go after Taiwan
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 11:09 PM
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13. And
Israel seels them any US technology they need anyway. Technology you gave them for free too.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 11:14 PM
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14. Yes, China is great at playing the game. I am also sure they
are laughing their rears off as we drain our Treasury on Iraq. Notice how they tried buying Unocal or make deals with the Venezuelans to get a reliable oil supply?
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SweetLeftFoot Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 11:47 PM
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15. Oh yeah
they have been at this game slightly longer than anybody else going around.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:29 AM
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19. doubtful
Blowing up Taiwan would just lose a very important and large manufacturing base they could acquire (basically for free) by reunification. Doubtless the Taiwan-related rumblings from China have to do with interventions to influence Taiwanese elections toward hard-line anti-mainland political parties. IIRC a pro-mainland-cooperation political party (PFP) recently swept elections, and numerous easings of tensions have happened since, e.g. reestablishment of direct aircraft traffic between Taiwan and the mainland. It could even be said that the PFP is pro-reunification.

The PFP's ascendancy may very well explain some of the "concerns" the US has regarding Taiwan.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-22-05 10:40 PM
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12. The EU must be cutting into our arms dealing again.
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wli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:17 AM
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16. no, just Cheney's
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 01:22 AM
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18. The Pentagon LOVES to play up the Chinese threat.....
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 01:23 AM by cire4
because that way they are more likely to garner support for all of their expensive military toys and that oh-so great missile defense shield.

These items are useless in the war on terror. The Pentagon needs a threat in the form of a nation-state to accomplish its militarisitic goals. Hence, we are going to see and hear alot of scary stuff about China in the coming years from the Pentagon.
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