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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:11 PM
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Fla. Abortion Foe Jailed in Molestation
MILTON, Fla. - An activist with ties to anti-abortion violence has been jailed after losing an appeal of his conviction and 18-year prison sentence for molesting a teenager at the home for troubled girls he operated.

Sheriff's deputies took John Burt, 67, into custody Wednesday. A three-judge panel of a state appeals court on Friday unanimously upheld his conviction on five counts of lewd or lascivious molestation or conduct with a child under 16.

Defense lawyer Nicole Ferry said Burt will appeal further.

Burt has been a key figure in anti-abortion protests and violence in nearby Pensacola. He had associated with Michael Griffin, now serving a life sentence for fatally shooting an abortion doctor in 1993, and Paul Hill, executed in 2003 for the shooting deaths of another doctor and clinic escort in 1994.

more.....
Yahoo
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:12 PM
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1. Surprise, surprise.
Child molesters are, IMO, the lowest of the low. Complete bottom of the barrel, as far as criminals are concerned.
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:15 PM
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2. Touche`
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AFSCME girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:55 AM
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40. Agreed!
Hi Buddy! How are you? :hi:

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Isere Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:53 AM
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54. I wish DU had a comments rating system
so I could give you a 4! Great pun!

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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:26 AM
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37. Most people already in prison apparently feel the same way...
From what I've gleaned here and there, child molesters are usually kept segregated from the general prison population for their own safety.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:52 PM
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76. Sometimes, yes.
Other times, the prison administration doesn't care to protect them, so they get thrown into the general population, at which point they're usually turned into homoerotic sex slaves for the other inmates, if they're not murdered first.

Wow, a repressive fundamentalist religious freak who turns out to be a sexually dysfunctional perv. Dunno where I've heard that one before.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:53 AM
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61. Why does it seem molesters are ALWAYS GOP??
Seems every other day some republican with political ties gets nailed for some sort of bizarre sex crime
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #61
66. Control and power issues?
Plus, never discount the power of being raised in a repressive religion to fuck. you. up.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:21 PM
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83. Exactly correct! "Anti-abortion" views and "Molesting Children" both...
...have the SAME foundation:
An overwhelming pathological NEED to enforce your will onto others

Spousal abuse, child molestation, and repressive theocracy
are 3 faces of the same emotional disturbance.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:16 PM
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3. Maybe now Jeb will consider letting felons vote.
That seems to be the Repuke base now.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:17 PM
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4. Is that one of those homes for unwed moms
that Bush was promising would solve our abortion woes?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:28 PM
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11. If they weren't pregnant on arrival,
they will be shortly afterward.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:17 AM
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29. Got to love those fun loving right to lifers
:sarcasm:sarcasm::puke::sarcasm:sarcasm::puke
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:18 PM
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5. Well, Well, Well.... (nt)
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:19 PM
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6. Add this one to the list of RW hypocrites. nt
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:21 PM
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7. Don't you just love those "pro-life" family values????
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:23 PM
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8. Culture of life. If you abort those fetuses, they can't grow up to be
teenagers to molest.

:mad:
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:25 PM
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9. Can We Stop Being Political For Thirty Seconds
I mean, this poor girl.
She was already pretty messed up (to be in a home for troubled girls). She thought she was getting help there, instead, she gets betrayed and abused.

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ovidsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:40 PM
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14. Here's for a "Gloat Free Zone"
We already know this guy's a perv. I don't think anything can be said about him that hasn't already been said. He can't be helped anyway.

So I'm gonna take a few minutes and think about how to better help the young women this dipshit was supposedly trying to aid, and ways to keep dipshits like him from embarking on similar "charitible" endeavors.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 11:48 PM
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18. unfortunately this is not an isolated case
many of the men who are working in the child protective services both as counselors and foster fathers are into molesting children. It is really worse than a crime. I was a children's advocate and three of the foster homes my kids were in had molesting men. Also one of the child counselors. It was really sickening. On the outside it is hard to tell who is a child molester, but I found that the molesters had one thing in common, they were all control freaks.

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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:34 AM
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21. You're right...it is difficult to tell who is a child molester...
Most child molesters look like normal people.

You're totally correct though...they are control freaks.

I suppose it makes sense. Child molestation is about controlling, manipulating and exploiting someone. These animals get a thrill out of abusing and head-tripping children into silence. That's why they pick children. They're easily manipulated and controlled.

It's pretty devastating that these perps would victimize children in foster care. These children have lost so much all ready. Yet, these freaks show up to further exploit these poor angels.

Child molesters have to be the most self-focused, unempathetic creatures on the planet. They lack empathy at a deep level that most people cannot begin to comprehend.

Thanks for the work you do with children. You're making the world a better place, and I'm sure your loving care has helped many children.

Blessings to you---
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:41 AM
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50. thanks for your note
I am taking a hiatus from the work at the moment. My last case which was supposed to last 6 to 18 months lasted for seven years. It was a long and difficult road, but I took my children from the ages of 8, 9, and 11 through their childhood and graduated them all from high school without pregnancy or drug addiction. One of them is going to be a dynamite adult (she had the best parents who helped her grow), the other two, not so much. My favorite had such attachment problems that she demanded to be adopted by a woman who was not so great, the other, thank the Goddess, had as much help as she did, she could have been a real disaster. She managed to complete high school and get married before her first pregnancy. During that time we went through 6 social services workers, 2 interagency companies, 15 foster homes, 3 directors of our organization, 2 lawyers and three judges.

The experience was a 40 hour a week job that was on top of my running a million dollar plus company. Today, I am retired from both.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #18
57. This is really awful
to molest young, troubled teenage girls is the lowest of the low. I don't know what can be or is being done about this, but something clearly needs to be done. Any ideas?
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #57
68. Shoot 'Em? n/t
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #57
80. There is a national organization called
CASA...it stands for Court Appointed Special Advocate. It is really a great way to personally help children who are thrust into the system, usually in the dead of night, wearing their pjs without any of their things and it goes down hill from there. There is a great need for CASAs and the personal rewards are immense. Good luck
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:26 PM
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10. Another RW hero falls ...convicted of having NO MORALS & VALUES!
...and this is one of the assholes whose vote mattered?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:32 PM
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12. ah hah!
pro-Life, so he can have fresh victims.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:47 PM
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67. Yeah the Sick Fuck!!!
:mad: I hope he gets molested in the slammer!:mad:

(Prison, and maybe the pun was intended after all!)

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despairing optimist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 09:34 PM
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13. A mold spore in the culture of life
Throw out the Petri dish. What a loser.
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:32 PM
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15. Why, oh, WHY . . .
.

Why, oh, WHY . . . is it those who protest the LOUDEST, do the unthinkable behind closed doors? Hhhhhmmmm? Is this something I read in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, IV (DSM-IV)? Yuppers. Indeed. Sick-os, all.




.

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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:46 AM
Response to Reply #15
36. Projection........they are masters at it.
2a. Freudian Projection

The following is a collection of definitions of projection from orthodox psychology texts. In this system the distinct mechanism of projecting own unconscious or undesirable characteristics onto an opponent is called Freudian Projection.

* "A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits."

* "The externalisation of internal unconscious wishes, desires or emotions on to other people. So, for example, someone who feels subconsciously that they have a powerful latent homosexual drive may not acknowledge this consciously, but it may show in their readiness to suspect others of being homosexual."

* "Attributing one's own undesirabe traits to other people or agencies, e.g., an aggressive man accuses other people of being hostile."

* "The individual perceives in others the motive he denies having himself. Thus the cheat is sure that everyone else is dishonest. The would-be adulterer accuses his wife of infidelity."

* "People attribute their own undesirable traits onto others. An individual who unconsciously recognises his or her aggressive tendencies may then see other people acting in an excessively aggressive way."

* "Projection is the opposite defence mechanism to identification. We project our own unpleasant feelings onto someone else and blame them for having thoughts that we really have."

http://www.heretical.com/sexsci/bpsychol.html
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #36
45. You know, I believe we
ALL suffer from this Freudian projection - if you can call it "suffering." It has it's opposite side too. If a person feels charity inside, he assumes others feel it too. If he feels love, he assumes others feel it too. It is why a truly good person can never really understand an evil act.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #45
46. Very objective response, thank you.
It does affect both sides, good and evil. As of late, I have really focused on the evil aspects of it, as expected.

It seems that the "good" part of projection is never acknowledged. Good people just accept it as being a decent human being and it comes naturally.

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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #36
58. Interesting list
and it describes the Republican mindset so well, doesn't it? If they are accusing the Dems of something, you can be pretty sure they are doing it themselves.
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nookiemonster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:38 AM
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65. Yup. The unfortunate part of it is that they strike preemtively,
and automatically make the poor bastard on the other side have to defend themselves.

Why is this attack procedure blind to the Dems?

Swift boat? 'Nuff said.

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:40 PM
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16. One Down, Millions to Go n/t
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:49 AM
Response to Reply #16
31. That's what I say. Unfortunately. nt.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-05 10:57 PM
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17. Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud would make a fortune off these guys.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-05 10:57 PM by DanCa
But you know good ole Jeb would only give him about five years.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:09 AM
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42. Or a promotion and a raise
:sarcasm:

Hopefully, the young lady is getting the REAL help she needs now...but there is a real chance this asshat ruined her life forever...

There are ALWAYS fuckheads that are so low as to take advantage of someone who really needs their help...sometimes human beings suck so bad, I wonder that we have been allowed to survive as a species at all.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:04 AM
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19. Anti-Abortion Extremist Arrested on Sexual Molestation Charges
Anti-Abortion Extremist Arrested on Sexual Molestation Charges
John Allen Burt, a long-time Pensacola, FL anti-abortion extremist, was arrested yesterday. A six-day search for him began last Thursday based on charges of sexual misconduct asserted by two teenage girls who were living at Our Father's House, Burt's so-called home for "unwed mothers," according to the Pensacola News Journal.

Local police authorities told the News Journal that they had investigated similar allegations in the past but this was the first time enough evidence had been collected to arrest Burt. A spokesperson for the Santa Rosa County sheriff's office told the Sarasota Herald Tribune that investigators were seeking others potential victims.

Our Father's House, run by Burt, is not regulated by the state. According to WEAR in Pensacola, it is accredited and inspected by the Florida Association of Christian Childcare Agencies, Inc. They also reported that based on past complaints, Burt was told he could not live in the home with the girls and could not be alone with any of the girls. It was not reported how these restrictions on Burt's activity at the shelter were monitored or enforced by the association.

John Burt has a long history of connections to violence against abortion clinics in the Pensacola area. He has been arrested numerous times for his participation disruptive protests and clinic invasions. A 1986 invasion led by Burt was the impetus for the NOW v. Scheidler case. Burt led protests in Pensacola on behalf of two couples that bombed three local clinics on Christmas Day in 1984, according to the Sarasota Herald Tribune. Burt was outside the Pensacola clinic when an Our Father's House volunteer, Michael Griffin, murdered Dr. David Gunn in 1993. Griffin's family later claimed that John Burt had manipulated Griffin. Burt is also an associate of Paul Hill who murdered Dr. Bayard Britton and volunteer escort James Barrett outside another local Pensacola clinic in 1994. Burt is on film helping Paul Hill identify Dr. Britton outside the clinic in the weeks before Hill shot and killed Dr. Britton and his clinic escort.
(snip/)

http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=7849

I need to find a photo of this guy for curiosity's sake. What does someone this wildly ####ed up look like?
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. How were the restrictions on Burt enforced? I'm sure they prayed
for him.

Anyone know how the situation was "found out"? Did the poor victim report him? If so, that was quite brave of her. Just wondering how these things eventually find their way to the authorities. Clearly, it had happened before and it seems likely that these women quite possibly have limited contact with their families to come to their defenses.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:44 AM
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23. Looks like she reported him. After her report to the Pensacola police,
it seems her father got her out of the country:
But by 2003 Burt was facing bigger problems at Our Father's House. A 15-year-old-girl, then a resident of the home, accused him of molesting her. The girl and another girl, who had witnessed the crime, were taken into custody by the Florida Department of Children and Families. Burt disappeared. On June 10, 2003, five days later and 170 miles from Pensacola, police pulled over a van with a "Choose Life" license plate and arrested Burt.

Burt's trial was delayed for several months because the victim's father would not let her leave her native Ireland to return to Florida. After a treaty change in March 2004, however, the girl was able to testify via video from Northern Ireland. She said that Burt had touched her breasts, groin, and buttocks over a three-day period, that he had forced her to touch his groin, and that he had given her a note describing sex acts he wanted to perform with her. The court also heard testimony from another girl who had accused Burt of improperly touching her and masturbating in front of her. No charges were brought in that case.

The defense, meanwhile, which had already tried and failed to have the girls' psychiatric records admitted into evidence, attempted to portray the girls as disturbed teens who were seeking attention or trying to aid lawsuits brought by their parents against Burt. Burt and his wife Linda testified that the note was meant for her, and that after Burt had been accused of molestation in February 2003 they had created a living arrangement that kept Burt away from the girls. Officials at the Department of Children and Families disputed that claim, testifying that they were the ones who had come up with the plan. Burt himself claimed he was subject to blackouts and that he could not remember what had happened while he was alone with the victim the night he was accused of giving her the note.
(snip/...)
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/webzine/eyeonextremism/eoe-050405-prison.xml



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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:10 AM
Response to Reply #23
43. What amazes me is the testimony of his wife
Why would she lie for him? I do not understand her. She should be repulsed and horrified.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. being properly submissive
Just like the bible says?

:sarcasm:

Either that or Stockholm syndrome.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:24 AM
Response to Reply #43
49. It was quoted above that men like this are often control freaks.
If she has been subject to this for a number of years, she may be unable to testify against him regardless how repulsive his actions may be.
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #43
55. I'm sure the wife is abused as well
and likely thinking about what would happen if she testified against him.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #55
70. Abused ?
Well I think it's time for her to get PISSED OFF!!!:argh:

I would not have been afraid of that sick bastard!:mad:

People that have been abused need to get tough and fight the abusers,
not enable them to carry out their sick revolting abuse!!!:mad:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. oops
I forgot to blame the victims.

Goddamn enablers!
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. Fuck No!
I'm not blaming any victims! Is this the way you read me?:wtf:

If anyone knows what a victim feels like, it's me.

I just believe that if victims got angry more often and "kicked their abuser's asses"
(so to speak........or then again maybe literally)
then maybe some of these guys might think twice before they abuse again!

It really does no good to lie for the abuser's actions, don't you agree?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. I did read it that way
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 03:39 PM by lwfern
because of the word enabler, and I think it's more complex than that.

Nobody's going to argue that abused women should lie for their abusers. It often comes down to fear and not being able to see any other options. I don't think you can just snap out of that any more than you can just snap out of depression. I don't have a solution, but I'm glad for her sake as well as the molested girl that they nailed the guy.

However, it's also possible she's just as bad as he was. :shrug:
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. It's possible that she was just as bad as he was,
because on the contrary, if the cops sided with me when I had been abused, I would make sure this guy went down. And especially if my own husband had been sexually abusing someone else - elch!
And a young girl? I would never, ever, be with him again!

Anyway, I'm glad that they nailed the guy too.:thumbsup:

Maybe there is justice after all? (sometimes)
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TaleWgnDg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:46 AM
Response to Reply #19
25. Is this the guy? On the "Army of God" website? . . . ???
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 03:47 AM by TaleWgnDg
.
Is this the guy? On the "Army of God" website? . . . http://www.armyofgod.com/JohnBurt.html



__________________________________________

"They are fanatics with a very extreme agenda,
and they will accept no restrictions on how to
seek it. People who think they are doing the
work of the Lord are sometimes less willing to
accept earthly constraints."
-- U.S. Representative Barney Frank (D,
Massachusetts), Wednesday, April 27, 2005
commenting on Congress's actions in the Terri
Schiavo "right to die with dignity" debacle.

__________________________________________


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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:09 AM
Response to Reply #25
27. Oh, yeah, it is! I just posted that link among some others I saw at google
which describe some of his great "deeds" in our world. Years from now, these poor, sick people will still be reviewing his triumphs, no doubt.

He's got them convinced the gummint is framing him because of his extremist position on abortion. My God, how stupid CAN they possibly be if something like him can outthink them?

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:03 AM
Response to Reply #25
35. "most fifteen year old girls cannot keep their mouth's shut" WTF??
Actual quote from the Army of God site about Burt's crime...

But then, they justify killing people, so molestation shouldn't be much of a leap.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:27 AM
Response to Reply #25
38. What a vile piece of trash.
"He's a brother" so he "deserves forgiveness." What about all those people they've killed or helped to kill?

So our government is spying on peace groups and animal rights activists, and filth like this is allowed to walk around unchecked openly supporting violence against doctors?

I hope John Burt becomes a poster child for the whole anti-choice movement - control freak who views women as nothing but property (which I guess is why he thinks it's okay to molest them).
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 07:49 AM
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39. I believe it is. And, after they piss 'n' moan about his transgressions...
...they segue right into "To view helpless babies murdered by BABYKILLING ABORTIONISTS click here."

A real class act. :eyes:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:03 AM
Response to Reply #25
41. Do you think they'll add his child molestation to their little timeline?
How disgusting

:puke:
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:43 AM
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51. Ick, he looks like a pervert
*shudder*
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:54 AM
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62. Did you see this quote on the website?


"Burt was found guilty of the charges. If he did it, it was a stupid thing to do. I am not convinced he did, but if so, not only is wrong and a sin; but anyone should know, most fifteen year old girls cannot keep their mouth's shut. John having run Our Father's House for young girls would surely know this. Either way, he is a brother and if he has sinned in this area, we should not forsake him, but restore him to the faith. "

Not only are they ready to forgive him "if he did it", but he should have known that the girl couldn't keep her mouth shut!!!!!

Just go ahead and shoot me now.

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #25
71. OMG!!!
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 02:05 PM by Megahurtz
:puke:

People like THIS are "using God's name in vain"!!!

UGH!!! BLEH!!!:puke:

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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:10 AM
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44. Unfortunately
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 08:11 AM by mtnester
<I need to find a photo of this guy for curiosity's sake. What does someone this wildly ####ed up look like?>

Just like your next door neighbor or coworker or family member
(not YOURS personally, but they do not have an identifying characteristic, unfortunately)
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whatelseisnew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:47 AM
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60. Photo of Burt


I'm not sure about the source. It's a blog I've never read before:

www.radicalruss.net/ blog/cvm/cvm.php
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:08 PM
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72. Eeeew!
The face of a poser Fundamentalist perv!:freak:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:43 AM
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52. "Florida Association of Christian Childcare Agencies, Inc. "

~snip~

Our Father's House, run by Burt, is not regulated by the state. According to WEAR in Pensacola, it is accredited and inspected by the Florida Association of Christian Childcare Agencies, Inc.


:wtf:


Who the hell is the Florida Association of Christian Childcare Agencies Inc. ? What gives them the authority to accredit & inspect anything? Who are they responsible to?


What the hell is going on in Florida?????? :grr:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:52 AM
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53. I found their website
The Florida Association of Christian Child Care Agencies Inc., is a volunteer peer accrediting association of Christian children’s ministries. It was created in 1982 as a 501-C3 not-for-profit organization.

Its purpose is to provide accreditation for residential faith-based children and foster care programs, which choose to register with FACCCA in lieu of becoming state licensed. This religious exemption from licensing was created in 1984 by Florida Statute 409.176.

This Florida Statute requires exempt ministries to annually furnish information to the state on the number served, personnel qualifications and training, as well as proof of compliance with the published minimum standards of FACCCA.

~snip~

FACCCA homes and ministries care for abused, abandoned, neglected, medically needy children, and troubled teenagers. We provide homes for pregnant teens.

~more at link~

http://www.faccca.com/Information.htm
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 11:13 AM
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64. Looks as if they're operating their own little kingdom. No oversight
from the state. I just looked around the site of one of these schools, and it looks so sad:
http://www.lighthousechildrenshome.com/FinancialInfo.htm

I tried a couple of links in the group which are dead now. Some of the places don't have websites.

They are tax exempt. They receive money from the girls' families and from other contributors. They must really be keen on getting the females programmed.

Your heart really goes out to the girls who are thrown into these places. What a bleak prospect they've got.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 06:08 PM
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82. This is so deeply upsetting
My range of emotions is all over the place; from rage to sadness and most dark emotions in between. This abuse, among other things, will affect the young girls ability to mother and have normal, trusting relationships.


I would be willing to bet that they receive $$ from the faith based initiative program. No government oversight, just be a not for profit and insert Jesus in your mission statement. I am furious.

I really believe that we need to find out every single organization that receives faith based money, make a matrix, and monitor each of these organizations--as well as track the flow of money (not pertinent to this conversation, but I believe that the pattern will show how tax payer money is being used for illegal campaign contributions).
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Libby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:10 PM
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79. "Our Father's House"
I think I'm going to be sick.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 12:20 AM
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20. Gung ho anti-abortionists want to control women completely
There's so much of this sick stuff going on by supposedly pro-life men.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 03:45 AM
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24. violent lawbreakers are just plain violent lawbreakers. there's no two
ways about it.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:03 AM
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26. This guy has had a busy, busy life.
It's a wonder he had any time left over for molestation during his many duties plotting murders and assaults.
In 1993, Burt was leading a Rescue America protest outside the second Pensacola clinic when an Our Father's House volunteer, Michael Griffin, shot and killed Dr. David Gunn in the rear of the clinic. Burt was also an associate of Paul Hill, who murdered Dr. Bayard Britton and volunteer escort James Barrett outside the Ladies Center Clinic in Pensacola in 1994. Burt was videotaped helping Paul Hill identify Dr. Britton outside the clinic in the weeks before Hill shot and killed Dr. Britton and his clinic escort.
(snip)
http://www.msmagazine.com/news/uswirestory.asp?id=9187

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Anti-Abortion Extremism
Florida abortion foe charged in molestation



John Burt!


For nearly two decades, former Ku Klux Klansman John Burt earned a reputation as one of America's fiercest Christian warriors. An organizer of countless protests at reproductive clinics around Pensacola, Fla., Burt had close ties to two men who took his extreme anti-abortion views even further: Michael Griffin, who shot and killed a gynecologist in 1993, and Paul Hill, who was executed on Sept. 3 for another doctor's murder in 1994.
Burt has also done jail time for carrying his clinic protests too far, and he's shocked many with antics like brandishing an aborted fetus in front of a TV camera during a live interview. But Burt convinced many others that he was a good man honoring his religious beliefs. It didn't hurt that he and his wife had long run Our Father's House, a shelter for troubled junior high and high school girls.
(snip)

In July, Burt pleaded not guilty to five counts of criminal conduct: four lewd or lascivious molestation counts, and another for slipping the 15-year-old a salacious handwritten invitation to have sex with him. Jury selection for Burt's trial was scheduled to begin Sept. 22. Local authorities said that other residents of Our Father's House have come forward since Burt's arrest with similar stories of sexual abuse, and more charges may follow.

Burt's fellow crusaders — along with his wife — insisted that his arrest was a police frame-up designed to suppress his clinic protests. "This is, plain and simple, an effort to control his activities," longtime associate Mark Farmer told the Pensacola News Journal.
(snip/)
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=109

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Let me offer an illustration of how RICO fits the facts of the Scheidler case, just as it fits the facts of the typical Mafia operation. One of the incidents that led to the filing of this suit occurred in Pensacola, Florida, in March 1986. Scheidler and other Pro-Life Action Network leaders were in town, staying at the home of John Burt, another anti-abortion activist. On the evening of March 25, Joe Scheidler, John Burt, Joan Andrews, and others discussed what form of "protest" they would conduct at the clinic the next day. Several, including Joan Andrews, who was well-known for destroying medical equipment, agreed to invade the clinic the next morning. Scheidler also agreed to enter, if he thought he could do so without being arrested. Sure enough, the next day, John Burt, Joan Andrews and others invaded the clinic. They threw the clinic's administrator down the stairs, injuring her badly; they shoved a NOW volunteer against a wall, causing her permanent injury; and they wrecked the medical equipment, putting the clinic out of business for several days. During the mayhem, Scheidler stood outside, handling press relations for his group. He praised those who went in and took credit for the invasion and property destruction. Although criminal charges were filed against Burt and Andrews, because of his key role in organizing the violence, Scheidler was equally responsible, but it took RICO to hold him liable for those wrongs.
(snip)
http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/reproductive/ricotest.html


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
A timeline published by his own church, the "Army of God:"

John Burt
John Burt, what's to be done?

Anti-abortion events in John's life.

1978: John and his wife Linda begin street ministry. They start inviting street people to their home. Their desire to assist street people in finding and growing in the Lord, prompted them to open "Our Father's House".

1981: John reads in a Pensacola newspaper that there are 7 abortions for every 10 live births in his area. John begins his anti-abortion ministry.

June 25, 1984: Bombing in the Ladies Center;around $40,000 damage.

December 25, 1984: Three Pensacola abortion mills are bombed.

February 1985: John Burt with two other anti-abortionist are arrested at the office of Abortionist Bo Bagenholm when they entered the babykiller's office to talk directly to the women who were about to murder their babies. Gets 5 months probation.

March 1985: Burt tries to show a "real" unborn baby on live TV to show the reality and horror of abortion.

April 24, 1985: Matthew Goldsby and James Simmons are found guilty of December 84 abortion mill bombings
(snip/.....)
http://www.armyofgod.com/JohnBurt.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Quick look at his church:
....This year, two more nail-studded bombs struck Atlanta -- on Jan. 16 at a women's clinic, and on Feb. 21 at a gay nightclub. After the second blast, a crude, unsigned, semi-literate letter was sent to the Reuters news agency, which turned it over to the FBI.

The letter said both bombs were placed by "units of the Army of God." It said anyone involved with abortion "may become victims of retribution." As for the homosexual club, it said, ungrammatically: "We will target sodomites, there organizations, and all those who push there agenda."

In militia-like tones, the letter threatened both the United Nations and the U.S. government. With misspellings, it said:

"We declare and will wage total war on the ungodly communist regime in New York and your legaslative-bureaucratic lackey's in Washington. It is you who are responsible and preside over the murder of children and issue the policy of ungodly preversion thats destroying our people.... Death to the New World Orer."
(snip/...)
http://www.holysmoke.org/haught/army.html

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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #26
73. KKK??? Oh Shit! n/t
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:14 AM
Response to Original message
28. How can we keep our children safe from all these perverted republicans?
So many republican pervert rapist/child molesters - so little time to catch them all.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 04:36 AM
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30. No surprise
I wonder if the "home for troubled girls" he operated got faith based money...

that wouldn't surprise me either...


Sure was handy for the sick fuck to house his potential rape victims together...wonder how many more such homes (run by such people) are actually rape houses.

"I didn't rape her. She's troubled. She lies. That's why she's here"





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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:05 AM
Response to Reply #30
32. Found a site which describes what the anti-abortionists do outside
the clinics. When I saw it, it occurred to me they may snag some of the young people going in for counseling and herd them into their own programs.... It's quite possible from the way this site looks:

.......Counselors must prove they are qualified.
They must follow legal rules and the ethical practices of their professional organizations. If they believe themselves to be on a Mission from God, they are well advised to keep quiet about it.

Sidewalk Counselors on the other hand . . .
. . . are on a Mission from God, and will refer you to chapter and verse to prove it. Women sidewalk counselors often make a point of telling what sluts they were, and how many abortions they had, before getting saved. Male sidewalk counselors will dart around holding 4 by 6-foot posters of fetal remains, like a bunch of gruesome rodeo clowns, doing their best to herd the quarry away from The Gates of Hell.

A Hurting Mom is any woman of child-bearing age who's on the public sidewalk at the wrong place and the wrong time. Deep down she knows she owes God's People an explanation. If she bursts into tears, that's because the Holy Spirit has convicted her, and not like those proaborts say, because a bunch of strangers have run up to her, shouting slogans and waving signs. And if she's not going for an abortion, maybe she'll change her sluttish ways anyhow, and thank those dear sidewalk counselors.
(snip)

http://my.execpc.com/~awallace/sidewalk.htm

There's a group called "Missionaries to the Unborn!" Here's a bit of Bible-rewriting they've done to justify murdering medical people who do abortions:
Robert Ferguson
California
Frolicingfrog@cs.com
Comment: If James Kopp actually shot baby
killer Slepian- he did NOT violate the sixth
commandment "Thou shall not Murder." or "kill"
as the intent was to *prevent* future innocent
humans from imminent death.. The word "kill"
(ratsach) in the Sixth Commandment is never
used in the context that stopped abortionist
Slepian from killing additional innocent humans.
Justifiable homicide is a legitimate spiritual
practice and is a "reasonable worship/service"
for those presenting their bodies a living sacrifice
as earnestly requested of Christians in Romans
12:1-2 Saving an innocent life from an unjust
aggressor is a good, honorable and Godly thing.
Laws which allow one man to defend himself
against another, even with lethal force should be
honored and applied to these men (and women)
of valor as they stem from the truth of God's
word.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Adrian Horien
Rockford, IL
Comment: Jim Kopp did what the civil
magistrates have refused to do all along. Now
these magistrates stand in God's judgment for
calling "evil good and good evil", bringing the
sword against the workers of righteousness and
rewarding the doers of evil.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Arturo Benedetti
Comment: As a brother Roman Catholic and
Pro-Life activist, I offer you my prayers and
support during these, your hours of need. As
hundreds of millions of Post Conceived Human
Beings have been slaughtered by various
DEMONIC and most EVIL of sacrifices, we
Christians and most specifically, we Roman
Catholic Christians MUST stand with our creator
Jesus Christ and defend all life. I pray that you
are found innocent in our Earthly courts of law,
as I pray you will be in the Most Holy Court of
Law by Jesus Christ who judges all our eternities"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jonathan O'Toole
Kansas City, Missouri
Comment: James Kopp did what our elected
governing representatives have failed to do:
protect the lives of unborn babies with the least
amount of necessary force. God bless James
Kopp

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Erick Eggleton
SPIRIT FX .com
Comment: Slepian thought that he could escape
justice forever, but you proved him wrong
Brother Kopp. May the same fate befall all who
slaughter innocent children if they will not repent.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(snip/...)
http://www.armyofgod.com/JamesKoppDeclaration.html

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


This may explain why they are so damned determined to be able to get right up nose to nose with women going into the clinics. I'll bet they DO coerce some of them into talking with them, then steer them to their own unwed mother programs. This is really ugly.

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really annoyed Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:43 AM
Response to Reply #32
33. That is scary!
:hide:

But not unbelievable, sad to say.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:57 AM
Response to Reply #32
34. Those examples sound like coercion to me
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 05:58 AM by Solly Mack
manipulation of women and girls at a vulnerable time...nothing but predators.

Thanks for all the links! I'm going to do me some letter writing.

Frankly, it wouldn't hurt to have such places and organizations investigated to find others who are raping/abusing their clients/wards.

I'm sickened.
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DemsUnite Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:48 AM
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47. GOP Family Values!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 09:55 AM
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56. Great news!
However I think all molesters / rapists should get LIFE.
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fishface Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:41 AM
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59. family values on display.. yee haw!!!
nt
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Unforgiven Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 10:56 AM
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63. Again
only in florida.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 01:51 PM
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69. It's those darn family values... nt
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 05:47 PM
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81. Or is it the "Culture of Life"?
:sarcasm:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:09 PM
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84. Doesn't this happen fairly often. Haven't there been a fair number
Edited on Fri Jul-29-05 08:10 PM by barb162
of other bigmouth anti-abortion types who get their you know whats caught in a wringer for this kind of crime.

PS I hope he rots in jail
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:13 PM
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85. Yes, Republican pedophilia is a national problem
Full list of Republican pedophiles at this link here....

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

* Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

* Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

* Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

* Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to gain information from their parents who were thought to be "insurgents." See excerpt of one prisoner's report here and his full report here.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:23 PM
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86. Whoa, now there's a real list, much longer than I expected
WHat did you google to find that...it's a great list and going into my favorites
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-05 08:32 PM
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87. Funny how the article didn't mention his ties to Operation Rescue
and Terry Randall. I wonder if Terry Randall has ties to this scandal, too.
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