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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:07 PM
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Bush Approval Rating Continues to Drop (Gallup: 40% approve/56% dis)
http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/?ci=18148

PRINCETON, NJ -- A new Gallup Poll reflects further erosion in President George W. Bush's job approval rating, continuing the slow but steady decline evident throughout the year so far. The poll -- conducted Aug. 22-25 -- puts Bush's job approval rating at 40% and his disapproval rating at 56%. Both are the most negative ratings of the Bush administration. Bush's previous low point in approval was 44% (July 25-28, 2005) and his previous high point in disapproval was 53% (June 24-26, 2005).
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:09 PM
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1. I'd like to tie 2 anvils
to his approval ratings
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:10 PM
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6. That would be wasteful
We ought to harness the power of the plunge as a renewable energy source.
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:01 PM
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24. California would have "Rolling Surges" then n/t.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:09 PM
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2. I've gone from a 49 percenter to a 60 percenter
But that bastard's still in office
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:12 AM
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81. But somewho we're still the "crazy minority" or other some such nonsense
term.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:09 PM
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3. so 3 different polls for the week range from 36-40% approval rating
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 01:13 PM by sabra
A certain Tom Petty song comes to mind.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:11 PM
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7. free fallin....
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speedingbullet Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:18 PM
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44. Or Maybe...
Don't Come Around Here No More
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:19 PM
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68. heh heh
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #44
77. and, of course, You Got Lucky
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #44
89. Or maybe "Last Dance for Merry george"?
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 06:50 PM by calimary
...sorry...

:evilgrin:

I happen to like "I Won't Back Down" - always sing that one at the top of my lungs when my favorite classic rock station plays it. And I always personalize it to the First Dog-Dropper.

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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #44
117. Baby even the losers get lucky sometimes
oh, forgot, that was when SCOTUS installed him.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:41 AM
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97. I'm afraid they are going to use this to put Cheney in there, remember the
Vice President has no war powers but it was the nervous conservative magazine who first wrote that Cheney was ordering war plans to nuke Iran to be drawn up last month and the same magazine reported that the Airforce was getting nervous about it but afraid to say anything because of their careers. What about their children and the future of the world?

If Cheney is not even nominally going through Bush to draw up war plans and the VP has no war powers, if Bush suddenly becomes incapacitated and Fitzgerald goes ahead with indictments...

I hope Fitzgerald does because I thing the insane PNAC Grand Chessboard plan will be ordered anyway. I do hope the generals appear at Bush AND CHENEY'S DOORSTEP SOON!!!

I missed the PBS show on Fitzgerald, looks like he's coming above the radar, is there a thread about the PBS show, would like to know what people think of the PBS program and of Fitz going for the limelight a little maybe to prevent any more bombings of the subway station beneath the Dirkson building.

Does anyone know anything about the 2 other Grand Juries in different cities that are investigating Bushco crimes? Bushco must not have the power if they were not able to get bush's bonesman classmate in Fitzgerald's bosses position but an independent, I think.

Fitz is so important and because he seems to be beginning to let the American people know about his and the Grand Juries 2 years of investigation, we should be talking about it.
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pauldavid Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:59 PM
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60. Now I know what I am going to listen to this weekend
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:47 AM
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80. Thiel has added them to his approval graph (pollkatz)
Edited on Sat Aug-27-05 10:48 AM by gristy
Keep in mind that Fitzgerald's inquiry has yet to factor in. Once that story plays out, * is toast.

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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #3
83. "Last Dance for Mary Jane?"
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:13 PM
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84. "Breakdown"
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:10 PM
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4. Nice graph of Bush's descent

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go freedom Donating Member (50 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:19 PM
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28. That graph...
Doesn't look like his approval is falling, it looks like he sucked all year.
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:20 PM
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29. here's an even longer view on those sinking numbers
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IA_Seth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:05 PM
Response to Reply #29
43. Isn't the correlation between violence and approval frightening? n/t
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #29
72. This graph proves once and for all that the Chimp
is a dick. :shrug:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:49 PM
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90. No, actually, it's a stake through the heart.
But then again, that's assuming he has a heart to begin with.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:10 PM
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5. Come on, Gallup.
You know it's lower than that.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:51 PM
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91. Hasn't it been determined, at least unofficially, that because Gallup
consistently tends to survey more republi-CONS than Democrats, a good rule of thumb is to deduct about five percentage points to get a more accurate picture? That'd put him at 35 percent - realistically.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 12:33 PM
Response to Reply #91
107. My thought exactly--this IS worse than it looks
One can try like hell, but it is near impossible to polish a turd.
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:46 AM
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98. It's Time to Demand More Polls on Impeaching Bush
It's Time to Demand More Polls on Impeaching Bush
By Bob Fertik
Created 2005-08-24 02:09

On June 30, a Zogby poll found 42% of Americans said "if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment."

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

According to the Washington Post, even pollster John Zogby "couldn't believe his eyes." "It was much higher than I expected," Zogby said.

Despite the explosiveness of this poll - or because of it - the poll received virtually no media coverage. A week later, Washington Post blogger Dan Froomkin wrote:

More than four in 10 Americans, according to a recent Zogby poll, say that if President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should consider holding him accountable through impeachment.

But you wouldn't know it from following the news. Only three mainstream outlets that I can find made even cursory mention of the poll last week when it came out.

You also wouldn't know it judging from the political discourse in Washington, but that makes a little more sense. After all, impeachment is for all practical purposes a political act, not a legal one. So with a Republican-controlled Congress that doesn't even like to perform basic White House oversight, it's basically a moot point.

Nevertheless, could there be anything that 42 percent of Americans agree on that the media care about so little?At the time, Bush's approval rating was just 43%. Since then, Bush's approval has dropped even lower - down to 36%.

It's time for other pollsters to follow up on the Zogby Poll and to ask about impeaching George Bush. When the Lewinsky scandal broke in 1998, just about every pollster in the business started polling on impeachment:

http://democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls

So why is Bush being treated differently?

Here's what you can do:

1) Write Zogby (marketing@zogby.com) to thank them for asking about impeachment in June, and encourage them to keep asking the question.

2) Write all the other major pollsters and ask them why they haven't asked voters about impeaching Bush:

netaudr@abc.com, info@ipsos-na.com, info@americanresearchgroup.com, evening@cbsnews.com, media_inquiries@gallup.com, info@edisonresearch.com, info@field.com, askfox@fox.com, comments@foxnews.com, Info@harrisinteractive.com, timespoll@latimes.com, maristpoll@marist.edu, nightly@nbc.com, nytnews@nytimes.com, letters@newsweek.com, info@people-press.org, Info@rasmussenreports.com, tarrance@tarrance.com, pollinginstitute@quinnipiac.edu, editor@usatoday.com, wsjcontact@dowjones.com, ombudsman@washpost.com

You can also use these forms:
DemocracyCorps: http://democracycorps.com/contact.html
Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/help/con

Here is a form letter you can personalize:

In 2003, George Bush invaded Iraq primarily because Iraq allegedly had Weapons of Mass Destruction that could threaten the United States.

But last October, the Duelfer Report proved there were no WMD's in Iraq in 2003. And this May, the Downing Street Memos proved the pre-war "intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy" to sell an illegal invasion of Iraq to Congress, the American people, and the world.

On June 30, a Zogby poll found 42% of Americans said "if it is found that President Bush did not tell the truth about his reasons for going to war with Iraq, Congress should hold him accountable through impeachment."

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

Why haven't you asked Americans whether they believe Bush should be
impeached for lying about Iraq?When the Lewinsky scandal broke in 1998, nearly every pollster asked about impeachment:

http://democrats.com/clinton-impeachment-polls

Why are you treating George Bush differently from Bill Clinton?
Are you biased against Democrats and towards Republicans?
Please post any non-automated responses you get below!


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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:12 PM
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8. Wow, and that is Gallup. Damn, though, I wish it was 39. Just get
in the 30's and watch the Republicans freak.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:13 PM
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10. Bush is actually at about 35% and loosing support rapidly
Gallup is always 5 points high.

One more point and they will be feeling the burn!

I love America waking up!
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #10
38. His approval is starting to cut into muscle
Once he gets around 37% or so, the is loosing his solid base.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #10
58. The fudge factor is 7.5%
So in reality junior is at 32.5% and that's cutting him a lot of slack.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:02 PM
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61. That's about right...Bush's Fundy/Dittohead base is about 18%...
so say on top of that is about 15% that are so clueless, they're still not sure if it's father or son....

I'd say all are ashore that are going ashore...
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:13 PM
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9. Gallup's at 40!?
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 01:16 PM by deadparrot
:woohoo:

Party in my dorm. :party: :toast:

ET: The only downside to this is that eventually, they're going to hit the absolute minimum number of diehard supporters, and there'll be nowhere to go but up. And that day will be a disappointing one.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:15 PM
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11. “Who gives a flying fuck what the polls say,” he screamed at a
recent strategy meeting. “I’m the President and I’ll do whatever I goddamned please. They don’t know shit.”

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7267.shtml

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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. "Anger Management"...


:evilgrin:
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 07:49 AM
Response to Reply #13
99. Closing of Walter Reed Hospital for combat veterans
There was a DU thread on the Walter Reed closing whether it was good or bad since supposedly they are building more units near the very crowded Bethesda Naval Hospital but I and others asked if combat vets needing immediate medical care would be thrown away as bush has done so often to our military.

Got an email from Code Pink, the people with Cindy in Crawford about a vigil against the closing. Code Pink has a nice website.
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CubsFan1982 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. Is that for real?
Seems a bit too Onion-esque to be true.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
32. 'Cause this is MY United States...
of Whatever! This song says it succinctly...

http://www.extremefunnyhumor.com/fun_whatever.htm

(Flash w/audio)
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #11
34. Capitol Hill Blue is normally not the most reliable of sources
but that story rings true to me, maybe because I hate the SOB so much. But we know Bush has this messianic complex, so it's no surprise he's dismissive and vulgar to anyone who disagress with him, even inside the WH.
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:16 PM
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12. He could go under 30%.
If you look at the party breakdown you can see how it's possible:

Republicans 82

Independents 32

Democrats 13


What's propping up his numbers is the huge % of KoolAid addicts in the Repug party. If they ever start waking up, Katy bar the door, Dubya is going to sink below 30%!
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
33. Sure he could...
but will Gallup tell us? Is their 40% for real? I think 35% tops.

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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:50 PM
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35. The ARG poll had Repuke support at 77 percent
That seemed kind of low to me, but it's only 5 points less than Gallup, so we're definitely seeing erosion there. Heck, ARG actually had more Dems approving of Dumbass (17 percent) than Gallup does. But look how close the Dems and indys are in how they view Bush. Bush has alienated moderates badly.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #12
37. why are even 13% of the dems supporting the idiotking?
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. I certainly don't know any!
:)
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. There are people who don't know what being a Dem/Repub even means
I actually had the displeasure of running into a few during the 2004 campaign.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #37
73. DLCers
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #73
76. Don't forget the Zell Miller Wing!
I challenge you to a duel! Because I'm a batshit crazy inbred pigfucker! Soeeeeeeeee!



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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #37
92. I think they're called Congresspeople and Senators.
Go figure. Doesn't make any sense to me, either. I don't know how ANYBODY could support him, not simply Democrats.
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:09 AM
Response to Reply #37
95. dixicrats? Southern racists that never bothered to switch parties
(most did)..
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:17 PM
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14. Don't look now! TEROR ALERT soon to follow....
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #14
22. I have not seen any terra-lerts since the election. (nt)
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #22
31. Closest we came was the heightened alert for subways and such. . .
on the Eastern Seaboard after the London attacks. Other than that, you're right: we've stayed consistently yellow since the election. I think a lot of that has to do with local & state governments objecting to the unnecessary costs when the alert levels are upped.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:34 PM
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16. Time to up Bush's meds. nt
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:35 PM
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17. we've come a long way since the DU community was a haven for the
8% who dissaproved of the job Bush was doing (right after 9/11). Not even death and destruction can artificially pump up his ratings now.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #17
115. Thanks for that reminder. It's been such a long haul
and so much discouragement along the way...it's a good kick in the butt to remember when maybe 100 people or so were here hunkered down supporting each other while all America flew two flags on their SUV's and gave the finger to those who didn't.
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VADem11 Donating Member (783 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:36 PM
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18. It's Gallup
so the real number is probably closer to the 36% poll we saw a while ago. If it goes down any further, we may have a sweep in 06.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:41 PM
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19. Or even lower. For Gallop I've always subtracted 10 - which means 30%
sounds about right.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #18
79. The rats are fleeing the sinking ship already.
They won't go down en masse with this president. Watch as rightwing Repub congresspeople morph into Democrats in the next year.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:45 PM
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20. The most corporate of the polls shows him at 40%
So the real number is probably a bit lower.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:52 PM
Response to Reply #20
36. Since Gallup is usually on the high end for Bush
I think we'll start seeing more polls in the 30s. ARG won't be alone.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:47 PM
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21. BUSH doesn't care what focus groups have to say !
The American People are just a big focus group, after all.

This is the people Bush listens to:
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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #21
27. Why, that's not Cindy under that frock...Cindy doesn't have a beard
and a big fat butt. Hmmm. Well, since he's decided to meet with the ugly women first, maybe Cindy will be the last on his list. Ain't he considerrrutt to be so nice to the ugly girls?
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 01:58 PM
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23. You mean his photo ops with the Idaho National Guard ...
and the American Legion in Utah haven't grown his support with the American People?? Un-friggin-believable !! :shrug:
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:02 PM
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25. This is huge coming from Gallup (Bush's PR firm)
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:05 PM
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26. This is SHOCKING TO Me, Seriously!!!
The floodgates have opened. I didn't expect this on Gallup. I'd have to say the ARG poll was probably spot on and NOT an outlier considering Gallup's historical pro-Bush bias.

I predicted (wrongly) that Gallup would not show a drop, or even a minor bump up for Chimpy. I'm flabbergasted about this.

I wonder if CNN will trumpet these results the same way they do good polls for Chimpy? These data are a big story, they're DISASTROUS!!
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 02:23 PM
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30. I wish we'd seen figures like this before the election.
There's some state to state data here:

http://www.surveyusa.com/50StatePOTUS0805.htm

I found it very interesting.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #30
78. and don't forget the Rove story TIME suppressed before the election
so as not to hurt Dumbya's re-election chances.

:puke:
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 03:22 PM
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40. Rove & Co. need another terrorist attack or war to get the flags flying-
that worries me. They are rats backed into a corner.
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:40 PM
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47. Remember: All military leave canceled after Sept 7.
... and what was that story about the 4-star general who got sacked because he was trying to raise a counter to the nuke-in-the-US-and-blame-it-on-the-Iranians plan alledgedly being put together by the bushistas?
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saskatoon Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 04:23 PM
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120. put some info up there to clue the rest of us in on what you wrote
---------those of us that can't get on here as often as we wish
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 03:34 PM
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41. How low does the worst president in our lifetime have to go before
the repukes up for election cut and run?
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:03 PM
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42. Has anybody seen this compilation of state polls?
There is other evidence of trouble on the Republican horizon. According to the latest compilation of state polls produced 10 days ago by surveyusa.com, of the 31 states Bush won in 2004, he now enjoys plurality job approval in only 10. This includes a 60 to 37 percent disapproval rate in the key state of Ohio, and a 53 to 44 disapproval rate in Florida.

http://hollisterfreelance.com/opinion/contentview.asp?c=167045



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jahyarain Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:28 PM
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45. So...
...after the resolution of inquiry, what do we do to get the impeachment rolling?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 07:08 PM
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93. Here's what we do:
1) Work like your life depended on it (however you can afford to, time-, energy-, idea-, or money-wise) for your local republi-CON to be beaten in 2006. WHOEVER it is. HOWEVER popular you fear they may be. Your fears just might be unfounded.

2) Keep a drumbeat of your own turned on, around-the-clock, to encourage the whole idea of IMPEACHMENT. Drop a mention of it wherever and whenever you can: in the checkout line at the grocery store; while waiting to pick up your dry cleaning; while waiting in the drop-off/pick-up line at school with other parents; while waiting for service at the deli counter or the burger place (or the local watering hole); while you're standing there at the self-serve pump, pumping gas (GREAT opportunity to foment unrest - nobody else there will be too pleased about what they're having to pay for gasoline, guaranteed); on line for a movie or to buy movie tickets (or for a sporting event or museum event or whatever-it-might-be); WHEREVER you happen to be standing/hanging/waiting around with other folks, either in direct conversation with them, OR within earshot. ALWAYS use that as an opportunity to put a bug in somebody's ear to start them thinking about impeachment. Many of them may think it's just not an option, or that they're all alone in their thinking about it - if they DO think about or wish for impeachment. You need to PLANT THAT SEED.

Humbly submitted from another thread here:

Seems to me you have to get subversive with these people. In the checkout line. At the dry cleaners. At the self-serve gas pump. In line for the movies. Waiting for your table at a restaurant. Waiting with the other moms and dads in the pick-up/drop-off line. At the local coffee place (where they invariably have copies of the day's newspaper lying around).

ANYWHERE you are with other people - in a situation where you can drop in a subtle little aside.

Say you see a headline on one of those newspapers that's lying around, or maybe something in one of the magazines while you're waiting for your turn at the grocery check-out. You turn absently to the next guy/girl, indicate or otherwise point to what you just spotted, shake your head in disgust, and mumble, almost absently, AND with a sigh" "(sigh) well, that's what you get when you vote Republican..." and just let your voice trail off. Maybe another shaking of the head or a dejected "tsk" sound. THEN, LET IT GO. Unless, of course, they challenge you or more innocently ask "oh really?" and then you can add a line about how we little guys ALWAYS wind up getting screwed when the Republicans get their way, or "they only look out for the rich people, not us" or "too bad we all don't have a hundred grand to send to the Republican Party, 'eh? They'd make us a priority then, wouldn't they?" or "almost 19-hundred of our kids have died over there and that bush hasn't even bothered to go to a single one of their funerals..." or "they sure talk a good game but they're nothing but reverse Robin Hoods - we've NEVER had this big a budget deficit!" or "yeah, isn't it funny how the people say leave social security alone, but they're still gonna go behind our backs and mess with it anyway" or "they can't even account for what they've spent on that STUPID war that they lied about... no wonder there's no money to solve this problem with..."

Something like that. You get the idea. Just ONE SENTENCE-worth if you get a chance to make a second remark. Even just the one "(sigh) that's what you get when you vote Republican..."

It's called planting a seed. VERY subtle. You don't even leave any fingerprints. That's how you POISON THE WELL. You leave a bad taste in their mouths IN ASSOCIATION WITH something republi-CON. Just plant the seed and then leave - and let it take root, and fester.
I thought of something else, too: Some more quick comments to make in casual encounters like these:

"MAN! Those Republicans. They're SUCH liars."

"Wonder what the excuse will be next week?" (about the war and why we went in and why we have to stay)

"Oh great, we need to keep sending more of our kids to die to honor the kids we already sent to die."
OR
"Yeah... (sigh)... we've just GOT TO send more of our kids to die for a lie."
OR
"Wonder how badly he'd want to keep the war going if his daughters were over there..." (about the "stay the course" crap)

"All that's missing here is one of those Jon Lovitz lines - 'yeah...THAT'S the ticket!'"
OR
"bush sounds just like Jon Lovitz - 'yeah...THAT'S the ticket'"
OR (how to sound authentic and innocent - like a REAL civilian
"he sounds just like that 'Saturday Night Live' guy who lied all the time - remember? 'Yeah...THAT'S the ticket!'" (about anything bush says - reinforce his being a LIAR)

"Yeah, and I'm sure Jesus is telling him to kill." (about any attempt to portray bush as being somehow anointed by God)

"Why doesn't he just act like a man and go meet with her? Afraid or somethin'?" (about Cindy Sheehan)

"All those 'Yay-War' people - seems to me we've ALREADY heard more than enough from them."
OR
"Yeah. Those 'Yay-War' people. We TRIED IT their way. Look where it's gotten us." (about the anti-Cindy, and YES - "Yay-War" people - VERY important to cast them in an UNFAVORABLE light. Call 'em what they are: "Yay-War" people)

Just some thoughts. Or - okay - TALKING POINTS.


From DU thread:
How to win the red states
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2037328

3) When your preferred candidate DOES win, that's when you call their office, and remind them or their staffers of everything you did to help him/her win, and that NOW you expect something for all your effort and trouble and desperately hard and ardent work. They need to know that they owe you now, and that you're holding them to it. And hopefully they'll wash into Congress and/or the Senate in January 2007 with a taste for justice - and that they'll have a LOT of like-minded company.

But it's gonna take work...
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 08:25 PM
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94. Aw shoot - almost forgot:
Welcome to DU, jahyarain! Now, get busy...
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:13 PM
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110. Great post, calimary, thanks n/t
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President Kerry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 03:13 AM
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96. where were you before you dimwits??? duh! n/t
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:42 PM
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48. Gallup: President Bush's Approval Rating Hits New Low, at 40%
Published: August 26, 2005 3:15 PM ET

NEW YORK A new Gallup poll released today finds President George W. Bush's approval rating decline sharply to a new low, 40%, with 56% expressing disapproval. His previous low point was 44%, one month ago.

(snip)

The current Gallup poll finds a strong drop in support from independents, to 32%, and even some erosion in his Republican base (though still strong at 82%).

Bush's current approval rating stands far below those for every other second term president at this point, save for Richard Nixon (34%). At this stage, for example, in August 1997, Bill Clinton's approval rating stood at 61%.


(more)

http://www.mediainfo.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001022496
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:42 PM
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49. This is just the beginning. The bastard has 3+ years to go.
Is it possible to have a negative rating, like -20%.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:42 PM
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50. Will the main stream media still insist on calling him a popular,...
well liked president? Every time I heard it I would explode. I gave up watching TV news and talk shows because of it.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:42 PM
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52. "Da kind of guy youse could have a beer wit!"
I wish.

Televise * at a tavern getting faced with the locals, and after a couple of hours, let everyone see what he's REALLY like --- unplugged and unscripted.

Hee!
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:45 PM
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57. Oh, I would pay to see that for sure!
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:42 PM
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51. Does bush give a damn?
But maybe mommie bush does.

Come on down Mommie Bush.....show us some more of
your panic driven philosophies of how to save your war mongering baby boy one more time!!!
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pauldavid Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:43 PM
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53. 40oz for 40%
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:51 AM
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105. That's a LOT of 40's!
I remember way back when Colt 45 came in a 45 ounce bottle. Now, I usually stick to tall cans of Natural Ice when I'm going for the cheap stuff.

MojoXN
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:43 PM
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54. And the idolatrous throngs chanted: four more years, four more years
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:43 PM
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55. How long is gallup going to cling to this 40% scenario
There is no way that this demons numbers are still at 40%--I would be surprised if 30% approve of the SOB.



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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:43 PM
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56. WOW! He's Only Getting 40% From Gallup!!
Dya think if he gets below 30 that the Repugs will impeach him?
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 04:50 PM
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59. He usually polls best with Gallup (for some mysterious reason).
Edited on Fri Aug-26-05 04:50 PM by funflower
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:39 PM
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63. Gallup is OWNED By Fundies. That's The Reason
If even Gallup is only giving him 40% publicly, what do you suppose the raw numbers look like? :hurts:
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:44 PM
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64. I think I read that somewhere.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:20 PM
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116. If the family still owns the Polling Company they were Catholics....
maybe of the Opus Day variety. They were very conservative Republicans...when I lived in Princeton, NJ where the family had kids in a catholic school a friend of mine's kids attended.

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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #48
65. Sorry, still reeling from that poll last nov.
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bixente Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 05:13 PM
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62. I apologise, but America woke up too late
You don't approve of him now, that's ok, but why couldn't you see this in November?

Very disappointing.

But of course, I am not directing this at you guys :)
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 12:51 PM
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108. Yeah, I know what you mean.
You're only discovering buyers' remorse NOW? Nice of ya to wake up, chumps. Go ahead and raise hell and get indignant and complain. You had a chance to do something about it last November. But you were too obsessed with them queers gettin' married.

I'd like to say they deserve what they get, but unfortunately, we've been dragged onto that same foundering boat with them. I guess it's nice that they are starting to wake up - but these are people who can be easily manipulated and distracted, so I'm hesitant about when they'll fall for the next line of bullshit and turn the numbers around.

Guys, since these are people who tend to be favorably predisposed toward this schmuck (somehow they see him as just a golly-gee, nice, friendly, well-meaning, average-Joe guy like themselves :grr:), we HAVE TO start poisoning the well AGAINST HIM. AGAINST HIM. We have to start doing EVERYTHING we can think of, on a subtle, subversive level, to make bush himself unappealing. Liar. Hypocrite. Unstable. Basically mean-spirited. Bully. Close-minded. Irrational. Isolated. In a bubble. Doesn't know, share, or care about your reality, or your pain. May be drinking again. DOESN'T REALLY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOU unless you're one of his big-ticket-donor "pioneers." Or unless you have a 19-year-old kid to feed into his dead-end MEATGRINDER in Iraq. That drumbeat has to start, and continue unabated. AT EVERY POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY. EVERY chance you might spot, during your day or evening, in which you can offer some bad-mouthing (I particularly like the time we're all suffering together as we're pumping more-costly gasoline into our cars at the self-serve - or, NOW, as we're waiting in line to get to the gas pump (which is happening in little fits and spurts in various places around L.A. where you find a RARE self-serve that offers you gasoline as cheap as $2.99/gallon). SEIZE THE OPPORTUNITY WHEREVER YOU FIND IT. Plant a seed - of poison. Get them grumbling against him, and make sure the blame for whatever it is - is always somehow routed directly back to him.

We've GOTTA do this, guys. If we're to take back the House next year, and the White House in '08. It's GOTTA be done. And it's GOTTA be done by US. Our party "leaders" are woefully underwhelming on this, so it's gotta be us, taking matters into our own hands.

We are ALL subversives, sneaking aboard those boats in Boston Harbor, to chuck the tea crates overboard...
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 06:31 PM
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66. Down, Down, Down!
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 07:36 PM
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67. Was this reported on CNN today?
Anyone know. I don't watch the corporate media anymore, but Gallup was the only poll they would show during the 2004 election. Usually, they LOVE Gallup, and co-spondor polls with the company. Don't tell me it's different this time.
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sunnystarr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:28 PM
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69. I just completed a Zogby poll this morning
and all the questions were about Bush. So must be he's going to come out with some figures or someone hired him to get an accurate number.
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Mark E. Smith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #69
71. Took A Zogby Poll This Morning As Well
Mine was very California specific. Steroid Arnie got no mercy.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 08:58 PM
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70. Worse. Than. Nixon.
and people DESPISED Richard Nixon. His lowest approval rating was at 39%

Link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cenk-uygur/big-media-lie-people-l_b_6171.html


(snip)
Here’s the mainstream media myth that’s driving me crazy: Americans really like George W. Bush.

News Flash – George Bush’s approval ratings are at 36%. Those are pre-coup numbers. That’s when a politician in a third world country becomes so unpopular that a couple of generals decide to show him the door. Nixon at the height of Watergate was at 39%, three points HIGHER than Bush is right now. And people despised Nixon.

To say “people like Bush” under these circumstances is to be so inaccurate that I have to question either your intelligence or your motives. How much cognitive reasoning ability do you need to figure out that 36% approval rating means people DON’T like George Bush? Do you owe the guy money or something?
(snip)


:evilgrin:

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:05 PM
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109. DING DING DING!
That's what we HAVE TO DO now:

Start working on tearing this myth apart.

Because the MSM IS perpetrating, and propping up, this myth that schmucko is really just this aw-shucks, regular, likeable guy. AND HE'S NOT. And what he's DOING to this country (AND all those people who purportedly like him so much) is NOT, either.

So what we have to do is, AT EVERY EVEN-REMOTELY-POSSIBLE OPPORTUNITY: REMIND them of it. REMIND them of things that he's been responsible for, or promoted, or shoved down our throats behind our backs, are BAD FOR AMERICA. BAD FOR AMERICA. WHY do ALL of the polls - every last one of them, for months and months - no, actually, I think it's a factor of a few YEARS by now, show that Americans by strong, irrefutable majorities, say the country is headed in the wrong direction, that things have gotten off on the wrong track. Know what you say to that? "Well (sigh), that's what you get when you vote republi-CON."

I mean, we were watching some of the hurricane coverage today, and my husband pipes up with "yeah, tell us about how that climate change is just junk science, 'eh, george? Just needs further study, 'eh, george? Global warming is just a myth, 'eh, george?"

I tell ya, brothers and sisters, this has GOT to be done. On the people-to-people, face-to-face, grassroots level. BTW, that's how the bad guys took over America. One low-level conquest at a time. One school board seat at a time. One baby step at a time. It took 'em about 40 years but they did it. Now we have to do it. We HAVE TO do it. While there's still an America to save.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 10:17 PM
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74. Look for that Saddam trial to start any day now.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-26-05 11:55 PM
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75. even Gallup can't avoid the truth
much longer. They continually poll high, so we know the original poll of 36% is about right...we'll see how many people kkkarl can pay to show up in Crawford, before we say in the 20's.
:popcorn:
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morffin Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 11:26 AM
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82. 58 % Diss.
The Republicans called 51% a mandate ...What s 58%? A Double Super Mandate?

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HillDem Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #82
85. A "double super-secret" mandate!
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:58 PM
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86. But I'm amazed that 40% still approve.
Yeah, I know its Gallup, and the numbers are more likely around 35%, but it still means that over one-third of the country still approve of the job this idiot is doing. I'm more optimistic than before, but it still bothers me to think that many people don't see what is so obvious to me.

Even so, I have hope in this: that many of that 40% are just to embarrassed to admit they made a mistake in voting for this fool and for now are just hoping some miracle turns things around. And that many more just aren't paying attention yet and only listen to Limbaugh and Dobson and Fox because they are handy and don't have any opposing voice to listen to-yet. That only leaves part of that 40% who are truly brainwashed by the political and/or religious right-wing propeganda machines. We'll never really know the exact numbers of how many are too far gone and how many might still be reached; all we can do is try and reach as many as possible with the truth.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #86
101. When Hoover, Truman & Nixon had approvals in the 20s...
When Hoover, Truman & Nixon had approvals in the 20s, the media was much more balanced than it is now. Scandal was called scandal. The person telling on the scandal is not Swift Boated & dragged over the coals...

Nowadays, the media is constantly cheerleading for Bush & anybody that disagrees with him is slammed for "librul bias", it will have an effect on the average person, even if they generally don't like Bush & his policies.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 04:59 PM
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87. Time for a terrorist attack.
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mrdmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 12:24 PM
Response to Reply #87
106. Careful what you predict, every time there are terror drills there is
terrorist activity. London, New York, Oklahoma and so forth.

http://www.nti.org/d_newswire/issues/2005_8_25.html#D445F680
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-27-05 05:17 PM
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88. I still don't understand why he's not being charged with war crimes??
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Raiden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:33 AM
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100. Screw Gallup! Bush is no higher than 35%
What pisses me off is that it's gas prices that are finally upsetting the American people. Not the War in Iraq, not Abu Ghraib, not attacks on our liberties, not Bush's plutocratic policies, not Rove leaking Valerie Plames identity, not the DSM, etc. -- but fucking gas prices!

It pisses me off because people should have forseen the rising gas prices in November of last year. The price of gas was high even then, yet people choses to vote their "values" and elected monkeyman yet again. At least Kerry wasn't hostile to alternative energy research.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 09:57 AM
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102. This is great news
but I still can't understand why people voted for this guy in the first place. He really hasn't done anything worse than in his first term. I just don't get the American public anymore.

I know this sounds horrible but sometimes I can't help but think that we are a nation of dumb asses and we deserve a moron for a president like Bush.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:28 AM
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103. Wow. If Bushevik Gallup says 40%, it must be closer to 30%!
However, I have no doubt that, were he to have to pretend to face another "election" right now, he would "win" by 3 million "votes".

He sure would.

Watch. 2006 is coming, and it is as rigged and predictable as any other lame-ass Reality Show.

NOTE: Does this mean GIVE UP? NEVER! It only means we must flood the system with honest votes.
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True Bleu Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #103
104. They are gearing up for 06...
The only reason they haven't addressed his free-falling
poll numbers is because they're busy deciding what pack
of lies they'll parade in front of the sheople to beat the
Dems
in 06. I wish I had more faith in our silent majority party
but 
I haven't seen ANYTHING from them that gives me hope that
things will change in '06.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 01:17 PM
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111. Welcome to DU, True Bleu. YOU are what should give you hope.
Every time somebody checks in here with a low post count (even though they may have lurked for awhile), that gives ME hope. Our number just grew by another one. And it's another like-minded one, at that. And that is good news, even if just a teensy little bit of good news. Welcome. Don't lose heart. Come here and be cheered and buttressed and lifted up and informed and strenghtened by this community. And most important of all: GET BUSY!!!!!!!!!!
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:27 PM
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112. He's going to fuck-up handling the Katrina disaster
and his ratings are going to go down even more. I wouldn't be surprised to see him at 30% within a week.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 06:29 PM
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113. Sink, Mother-fucker, Sink!! nt
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-28-05 08:11 PM
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114. Remember November 2! If gallup says that it's 40%, it's most likely...
...closer to 34% to 36%, they always interview too many Repukes.
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Mr_Scarecrow Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 12:51 PM
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118. Easy tigers
While this is certainly great news, I would be cautious about "the tide" turning. This is just ratings of Bush, not of Republicans in general. Have there been any polls about the parties in general? If they align with this then we can celebrate.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-29-05 01:18 PM
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119. and even then, in this age of corruption.....
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