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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:55 PM
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Some evacuees see religious message in Katrina

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N04539397.htm

Some evacuees see religious message in Katrina

HOUSTON, Sept 4 (Reuters) - In the last week, Joseph Brant lost his apartment, walked by scores of dead in the streets, traversed pools of toxic water and endured an arduous journey to escape the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in his hometown New Orleans.

On Sunday, he was praising the Lord, saying the ordeal was a test that ended up dispelling his lifelong distrust of white people and setting his life on a new course. He said he hitched a ride on Friday in a van driven by a group of white folks.

"Before this whole thing I had a complex about white people; this thing changed me forever," said Brant, 36, a truck driver who, like many of the refugees receiving public assistance in Houston, Texas, is black.

"It was a spiritual experience for me, man," he said of the aftermath of a catastrophe al Qaeda-linked Web sites called evidence of the "wrath of God" striking an arrogant America.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 12:57 PM
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1. Why was this part necessary in the story?
Brant, 36, a truck driver who, like many of the refugees receiving public assistance in Houston, Texas, is black.

Can they honestly see how this is NOT racist?
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:01 PM
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4. Of course it's racist
See, this negro used to hate white folks, but now he's seen the light and realizes he must thank massa for helping him.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:33 PM
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10. a few days ago I would have understood the sarcasm
but I made a comment that I had meant nothing by in a post a few days ago and it caused such an uproar that the post I needed to see was deleted cuz it did not hold up to the DU rules.

But racism, this is a very serious problem. I don't understand it, and I don't know what we need to do about it, how we need to go about it, but it is very serious. To be honest, a week ago I didn't think it even existed anymore. Today, I realize it is so rampant and ugly and horrible and real that thousands of people die and suffer and spend every minute of their day living in it.

Don't flame me. Teach me. Help me understand.


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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:22 PM
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16. I was having what I thought was a fruitful discussion of racism
some time ago and I can't find it either. I thought I might be imagining it but now I see that my tin-foil-hat should be two-ply. Did xenophobia come up in your thread?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:07 PM
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5. The disaster laid bare the cleavage planes of race and class
So, there will be a propaganda response, that attempts to paper over the gap. I suppose we will see a lot more 'be happy' stories like this.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:26 PM
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9. A huge load of crap
Did this *African American man" look like a black version of Karl Rove by any chance?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:30 PM
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12. because the theme of the story is that the experience changed his view
of white people. So to tell the story it was, one of the few times, where mentioning race was germaine.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:00 PM
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2. al Qaeda-linked Web sites
would that be those of the 700 Club?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:00 PM
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3. I wonder if this will have the effect of the Lisbon earthquake?
That event is widely thought to have been a key contributor to the enlightenment. On the other hand, terrific disasters can cause people to turn more sharply to superstition. For the record, I don't consider all religious belief to be superstition, but much public belief has that sense these days.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:11 PM
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7. Can you tell me more
about what you mean about the Lisbon earthquake?

I know it's a busy time with so much to read, write and do...and I know I could google some research on it. So just if you have the time and inclination.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 02:28 PM
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11. I believe it happened on All Saint's Day, in 1755
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 02:28 PM by daleo
This is from memory, so it may not be entirely correct, but it gives the gist of it.

It was rather like the tsunami, an earthquake and a tidal wave. The churches were full when it hit. I think it hit several times - the earthquake, then half hour later or so the tidal wave took many other survivors. Then the city burned. The death toll was huge, maybe over 100,000.

The fact that so many died while in church was hard on people's faith. It was such a huge natural evil, that it was hard to square with traditional theology. Voltaire wrote quite a famous poem to that effect. I think he mocked the notion that the universe was the best of all possible worlds (a mainstay of traditional theology).

I think historians say that this provided a major intellectual impetus to the secular values of the enlightenment. A sort of "God helps those who help themselves" mentality became ascendant, and the scientific worldview was one response.

Here's a Wikipedia article on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1755_Lisbon_earthquake
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:10 PM
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6. But when do fallwell &/or robertson tell us that....
The sin city of NO got punished by god?
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 01:24 PM
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8. Now after this ordeal he trusts white people?
Was he one of the guys that was drinking outside of the convention center?

This makes no sense whatsoever IMO
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:38 PM
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13. He sounds like a repentant racist
Actually, it seems as he were very prejudiced against whites, perhaps with some justice. White guys must have saved his life and brought him to safety, when before he might have suffered at the hands of rednecks.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:45 PM
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14. What's the message? G*d loves red states and the oil industry?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:11 PM
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15. pig spew.
the language of this article is intended to inflame the emotions and is racist at it's core.

all kinds of people may have some spiritual/religous feelings about katrina and it's effects -- they find one african american, who self confessed didn't trust white folk, and he's had a spiritual awakening regarding white folk.

now back that story up with it's al queada reference against the images we've been seeing on telley and you can see that deep down hatred the writer of the story and the publisher of the story has.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:38 PM
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17. I've got news for you, Joseph. It's white folks put you in that mess.
Mr. Brant will be eating his words when he learns the truth, and maybe he'll have more contempt for the white folks than ever.

Shame, shame, shame on bush's lily-white a**.
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