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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:24 PM
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Doctors Hamstrung in Relief Efforts (Drs turned away)
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 03:42 PM by SillyGoose
BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - Volunteer physicians are pouring in to care for the sick, but red tape is keeping hundreds of others from caring for Hurricane Katrina survivors while health problems escalate.

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"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," he said. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said.


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As they talked with Mississippi officials about prospects of helping out there, other doctors complained that their offers of help also were turned away.

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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050904/D8CDKNCG0.html


I cannot understand why so much relief aid is being turned away.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:31 PM
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1. Cuba has offered 1,100 physicians and 26 tons of medical supplies
and Cuba can have them on site within 24 hours. Why is Bush refusing the many offers of help he has received from nations such as Sri Lankha, Cuba, Venezuela, etc? Could it be that Bush only feels comfortable with white anglo-saxons?
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:32 PM
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2. Another LBN article: also "red tape" keeping military from helping --
what in the hell is going on???
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SillyGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:38 PM
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4. There is something very wrong here. I don't understand this at all.
This rejection of help, supplies, and aid has got to be addressed.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:43 PM
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5. It is an unfathomable
level of incompetence that continues to grow even as BushCo are finally in gear and paying attention because of the political crisis they are in.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:46 PM
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7. The only gear Bush is on is the PR gear!
All they care about is protecting Bush from criticism. They are good at staying photo ops, but they sure are the most incompetent bunch ever! Their negligence borders on the criminal.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:14 PM
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15. It's called criminal negligence.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:25 PM
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20. My pet theory (thought of it just today):
It's pure paranoia on the part of the * admin. Since they went to the trouble to put FEMA under the control of Homeland Security, why would they let anyone in who doesn't have high-level security access cleared by them beforehand? (Those doctors could be terrorists, ya know?...sarcasm) It's the only reason I can think of offhand for so much red tape blocking such goodwill attempts at assistance.

That said, obviously that type of micro-management will not work with disasters like this one. You need all the helping hands you can get. We need a flexible policy in the case of disasters. Doctors, EMTs, rescuers, military, etc., should be going in and relieving those who have been working so hard this past week.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:17 PM
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9. What's going on is Georgie's ego
Any help he accepts from outside his administration, financial or logistical, is tacit admission of failure. If people aren't supposed to be dependent on government, it's a mockery of policies for his government to be dependent on others.

:headbang:
rocknation

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:32 PM
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3. And Chertoff and Brown make no attempt to explain it..
Do they have a quota of dead to fill?
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 04:45 PM
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8. NOLA = ONE HUGE TOXIC PIT!
AND NO ONE, REPEAT NO ONE SHOULD GO NEAR "IT".

:grr:

:kick:


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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 03:45 PM
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6. This is infuriating and it has been for days. NO AID should be
turned away! DUH!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:19 PM
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10. Bureaucracy Kills.
Sometimes there is no room for rules.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:34 PM
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11. My mother
contacted FEMA & The MS & LA Board of Health on Wednesday, still hasn't heard back.

She's former active duty in the US Public Health Svc. and is one of few physicians out there that has experience treating the diseases that will come. She retired effective Friday and was available for help or general relief, no calls.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 05:55 PM
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12. CNN: Katrina medical help held up by red tape
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 05:41 PM by RamboLiberal
http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/09/04/katrina.sick.redtape.ap/index.html

Volunteer physicians are pouring in to care for the sick, but red tape is keeping hundreds of others from caring for Hurricane Katrina survivors while health problems rise.

Among the doctors stymied from helping out are 100 surgeons and paramedics in a state-of-the-art mobile hospital, developed with millions of tax dollars for just such emergencies, marooned in rural Mississippi.

"The bell was rung, the e-mails were sent off. ...We all got off work and deployed," said one of the frustrated surgeons, Dr. Preston "Chip" Rich of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

"We have tried so hard to do the right thing. It took us 30 hours to get here," he said. That government officials can't straighten out the mess and get them assigned to a relief effort now that they're just a few miles away "is just mind-boggling," he said.

And I just read that 30 patients have died at the airport.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:22 PM
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16. If the goverment was just run like a business NOT/
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JustSayNO 2 Sheeples Donating Member (142 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:00 PM
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13. I guess they just missed the "tidal wave" of compassion that * declares...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:00 PM
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14. First Responders told not to "self-dispatch"
If you've been wondering why we aren't seeing the mass spontaneous arrival of help, that's why.

8/29
“The response to Hurricane Katrina must be well coordinated between federal, state and local officials to most effectively protect life and property,” Brown said.

http://www.iafc.org/news/article.asp?id=279

9/1
FEMA/DHS Request Fire Emergency Service Assistance
http://www.iafc.org/news/article.asp?id=280
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 06:31 PM
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17. But, but , but if VOLUNTEERS help in any part of the relief/rebuilding
effort, then it cuts down on the amount of lucrative no-bid contracts that Bushco can hand out to its buddies, don'cha know. Privatization is the way to go!

I hate these fokkers so much that I can barely stand it today. :-(
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:23 PM
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18. The Department of Homeland Security...
...was created to cut through the red tape and bureaucratic roadblocks. Billions of Taxpayer Dollars were spent to ensure that help could quickly reach those in need when a disaster occurs! The Department of Homeland Security is a TOTAL FAILURE!

There ARE people responsible who should be held accountable for needless deaths that have happened because help was actually held up by the agency that was supposed to expedite it. Director of FEMA Brown was too busy holding press conferences to actually help anyone. Same goes for Homeland Security czar Chertoff....too busy doing pR work and mugging for the cameras to help!


AND there is ONE MAN who can cut through ANY RED TAPE and get the supplies to people in need. That man (sic) is George Bush* who can use his Emergency Powers to GET THINGS DONE. ALL these people FAILED in their sworn responsibilities and SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for many NEEDLESS Deaths.
I am talking about CRIMINAL NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE!!!


The Republican Ownership Society




The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 07:51 PM
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19. NO workers "overwhelmed"
Not all refugees down there are getting 24/7 medical care..even once they are "rescued"...yet they are turning extrahelp away???


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4634206&mesg_id=4634206


A worker on the police scanner is begging for refugee medical attention.. is told the medical people HAVE LEFT FOR THE DAY:

"Diabetes, uncontrolled hypertension, we are overwhelmed. Serious medical crisis"
"We have a serious situation"

Is told "Medical people gone for the day"

Airport area where there was care was being given has been closed and the guy was told to take the refugees to I-10 and Causeway but there is nothing there! Airport has stopped taking people in, turned them away. Massive confusion on where to send the refugees for care.


WHERE are the military medical people??? This is NOT a 9-5 job! The worker's voice was cracking as he tried to explain and re-explain why the refugees at his location needed help.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 09:28 PM
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21. Fuck what the government wants,
the PEOPLE want the aid, and they need to get it.

They better watch out when thousands of poor, starving, and sick people trapped in that city decide to DO something about it.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 10:43 PM
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22. St Bernard parish requesting CDC support and military med team.
Edited on Sun Sep-04-05 10:55 PM by rainbow4321
Looks like the military is giving them very little support...there is not even a doc or medical hospital set up at this parish.

From the scanner tonight..this is the parish shelter official talking to who is a Dept of Health and Hospital operator


Request military hospital at this location...

How many people are you treating?
2,000. Expect to reach more in St Bernards once water goes down

Things St Bernard offical is requesting:
Military medical response team, medical hospital set up
4 mosquito abatement teams ground and air
-Vet response team dogs rinning wild, attacking, sick, aggressive dogs
CDC support for disease control assistance for disease outbreak
(epidemiolgy support wanted)
Urgent need for tetanus, gammoglobulin shots, yellow fever

The parish already has 2 paramedics, 2 nurses, but no MD.
Ambulance needed, smooth transition to give relief to people who have been doing this for a week now.

Dept of Health and Hospitals operator:
"I'll talk to the feds, tell them what we need and see how fast we can get it."



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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-04-05 11:12 PM
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23. Dr. Frist is there
Guess that's all they need. :sarcasm:

Mz Pip
:dem:
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-05-05 12:26 AM
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24. so WHO is this Brown guy .. where did he come from other than the
horsesass.com group..

what is his history, his story..
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