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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:52 PM
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FEMA chief waited until after storm hit ("convey a positive image")
Edited on Tue Sep-06-05 07:02 PM by sabra

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/12574946.htm

FEMA chief waited until after storm hit

WASHINGTON - The government's disaster chief waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina had already struck the Gulf Coast before asking his boss to dispatch 1,000 Homeland Security employees to the region - and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Mike Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29. Brown said that among duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.

Before then, FEMA had positioned smaller rescue and communications teams across the Gulf Coast. But officials acknowledged Tuesday the first department-wide appeal for help came only as the storm raged.

Brown's memo to Chertoff described Katrina as "this near catastrophic event" but otherwise lacked any urgent language. The memo politely ended, "Thank you for your consideration in helping us to meet our responsibilities."

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feminazi Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:54 PM
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1. it's on ABC now, too
i just posted the link on GD.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:54 PM
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2. Would have been better to leave things in the hands...

...of a 6 year old.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:54 PM
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3. More condemning info about the failed Bush administration
and Bush's Brownie -- major jerk off.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:54 PM
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4. "image" ... not substance, not action, not mission - image
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:59 PM
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7. As my grandpa said, "If talking was as good as picking, all the cotton
would be picked".
:hi:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:33 AM
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22. People are only now awakening to the fact that this misadministration
is ALL about image. :grr:
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:55 PM
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5. Toss him in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:57 PM
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6. Wow, if this is accurate it could be a smoking gun
I think the smaller newspapers are going to break some big stories. I think it was the Boston Herald that broke the story about Michael Brown having no qualifications, unless you considered a fired horse organization bureaucrat relevant.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 06:59 PM
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8. The more I know about him the more I loath him .....
...... if this keeps up I see a shiny medal and promotion in his future.

What does somebody have to do to get fired by bush? (other then
to tell the truth)
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:04 PM
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9. That memo is the smoking gun.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:09 PM
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14. Bush admin is full of others like him
Their only job is to ensure as many tax dollars as possible are diverted to the coffers of corporate donors.

They're only hired based on their loyalty to * and their efficiency in fleecing taxpayers and dismantling systems of government.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:06 PM
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10. Ooops, there were still conscientious people in the FEMA chain of command.
People who didn't quit or get fired.

They are now very angry and they will leak.
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:07 PM
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11. And, as it not surprising, more Bush lies.
This Administration has absolutely NO CREDIBILITY!!!
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nyhuskyfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:08 PM
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12. OH! MY! GOD!
Look at this part...

Knocke said the 48-hour period suggested for the Homeland employees was to ensure they had adequate training. "They were training to help the life-savers," Knocke said.

Employees required a supervisor's approval and at least 24 hours of disaster training in Maryland, Florida or Georgia. "You must be physically able to work in a disaster area without refrigeration for medications and have the ability to work in the outdoors all day," Brown wrote.

- snip -

So the Hurricane hits and THEN you train the employees. Are you fucking kidding me????????

And that's the first time I've used a swear word on this board.
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:08 PM
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13. "...a positive image....."
the man is a comedian.
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:09 PM
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15. Every.Friggin.Thing BushCo does is just PR!
"duties of these employees was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims."

They showed up at the disaster sites for photo-ops and nothing more.

These assholes don't like Government and they don't want to Govern.

They mock policy wonks BUT policy is what makes actual governing work.

They should never be put in control of anything ever again.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:10 PM
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16. Why didn't Bush and Pat Robertson just pray it away? nt
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 07:16 PM
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17. he knew he was responsible back then huh? then he forgot?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-06-05 09:12 PM
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18. Wouldn't positive image be actually doing something, not ignoring it?
Seems like that would be more positive response, doing something rather than staying away and doing something r.e.a.l.l.y. s l o w ly
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 07:42 AM
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19. God! That are all about PR and spin. GOD!!!!
:grr:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:28 AM
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20. FEMA chief sent help only when storm ended (please read)
FEMA chief sent help only when storm ended

07:04 AM CDT on Wednesday, September 7, 2005


By TED BRIDIS / Associated Press



WASHINGTON, D.C. — The top U.S. disaster official waited until hours after Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast before he proposed to his boss sending at least 1,000 Homeland Security workers into the region to support rescuers – and gave them two days to arrive, according to internal documents.

Part of the mission, according to the documents obtained by The Associated Press, was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.


Acknowledging that such a move would take two days, Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29.

snip

http://www.wwltv.com/topstories/stories/090605ccKatrinacaresponse.68f01be8.html

So FEMA was more interested in a "positive image" than actually helping.

Damning memo...congress has the memo.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:28 AM
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21. self kick
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:34 AM
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23. WE have the memo
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:41 AM
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24. Brown will be the scapegoat
and the real culprits...those responsible for running America as if it was a corporation...are once again ignored.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 08:41 AM
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25. What's Bush gonna call this?
Brownie points? :puke:
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 09:05 AM
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26. They weren't horses you fuck (Brown). They needed help right away
Go back to sauntering with your phillies.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:55 AM
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27. FEMA Chief Sent Help Only After Storm Hit
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/09/07/national/w063902D16.DTL

The top U.S. disaster official waited hours after Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast before he proposed to his boss sending at least 1,000 Homeland Security workers into the region to support rescuers, internal documents show.


Part of the mission, according to the documents obtained by The Associated Press, was to "convey a positive image" about the government's response for victims.


Acknowledging that such a move would take two days, Michael Brown, director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency, sought the approval from Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff roughly five hours after Katrina made landfall on Aug. 29.



why didn't they do this before--they knew roughly where the hurrican was going to hit, they could have planned

HELLO???????????????
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freeplessinseattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 10:55 AM
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28. on AOL homepage, too, can you believe it?
maybe the MSM is waking up after all.
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chomskysright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-07-05 01:39 PM
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29. CITICIDE: They aim for permanent displacement of NOLA residents:
From a wise justslackin (yahoo group) poster:

It is obvious, this disaster isn't large enough and they need it to be as huge as possible.

So what is the benefit for all these folks dying, well, the rich get richer I hear, Greenspan loves these low income people coming off his roles, it make the standard of living look higher without any but those making bucks off the disaster getting more money.

I am sure they are looking for a permanent displacement of people so that they cannot organize.

I am sure that as soon as they can get most of the folk out of N.O. that they next levee will go, even if they have to blow it up.

----- Original Message -----
From: lynnzy
To: news ; justslackin@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 9:35 AM
Subject: Update on Evacuees who are heading to California- Mercury News.com


http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/12579095.htm


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Posted on Wed, Sep. 07, 2005



From Gulf Coast to West Coast
GETTING SET FOR EVACUEES: CITIES, AGENCIES PREPARE PLACES FOR DISPLACED
By Mary Anne Ostrom, Dana Hull and Becky Bartindale
Mercury News

In San Jose, they are scouting out the best housing options, including vacant San Jose State housing, for Hurricane Katrina evacuees. In San Francisco, the cots and portable showers are up and they are stocking a children's playroom. But on Tuesday, there still was no sign of the hundreds of evacuees expected in the Bay Area.

Local emergency officials said they were waiting for the Federal Emergency Management Agency and state officials to send the word about when shelters would open. Mayors of San Jose, which has said it could accommodate 100 people, and San Francisco, which expects as many as 300, said late Tuesday they expected to make announcements today about the status of their shelter plans.

Some Bay Area African-American leaders, however, were angry that those plans favored the Red Cross instead of allowing the displaced to move in with local African-American families who had volunteered their homes.

They also criticized San Francisco for placing armed sheriff's deputies in front of a planned shelter underneath St. Mary's Cathedral.

``Armed sheriffs at the doors, what kind of welcome is that,'' said Rev. Amos Brown, president of the San Francisco NAACP. ``They should be user-friendly and culturally sensitive and inclusive.''

The Red Cross Bay Area chapter, which does not cover Santa Clara County, said it has begun training more African-American volunteers to help when evacuees arrive, but said taking traumatized people into private homes is not ideal or sometimes even safe. Instead, spokesman Greg Smith said they plan to move the evacuees out of shelters within a few days to hotels and motel rooms.

In San Jose, Mayor Ron Gonzales' staff met with city housing and emergency staff and community organizations to work on a plan for housing as many as 100 people. ``It's a moving operation with a lot of pieces,'' said Gonzales spokesman David Vossbrink. ``People will be coming whose whole communities have been destroyed, people who may feel culture shock in that they've not had much experience outside their own towns.''

San Jose State University has offered now-vacant Spartan Village -- about 60 apartment units that served as student family housing -- and was waiting to hear from city officials. Unlike San Francisco, San Jose officials are not saying where they are considering housing evacuees. Vossbrink said officials are considering a range of options including ``commercial space,'' as in hotels/motels, or ``institutional space,'' as in shelters or affordable housing.

In San Francisco, Red Cross and Catholic Charities are planning to accept evacuees in the cavernous rooms underneath the city's Catholic cathedral. Each person will be given a cot and bag of supplies, including toothbrushes, shampoo and other toiletries.

Despite the readiness of Bay Area residents to help, there were growing signs of frustration on Tuesday.

In a conference call with reporters Tuesday, Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, said that Michael Brown, the director of FEMA, should be fired or resign. Lee said that her constituents -- many of whom survived the Loma Prieta earthquake and the Oakland hills fire -- have been generous in their response.

But they are also angry.

``They want to see a lot of questions answered that have not been answered,'' Lee said. ``Because of the delay, so many people died.''

At the same time, others were reaching out in small ways. Palo Alto dentist Bob Mezzitti is making a new set of dentures for a displaced storm victim staying with relatives in Palo Alto. And the owner of a San Jose automobile body shop, Arseen Autobody, is donating $100 in the name of customers who request it to the Red Cross.

``Did you see those poor kids on the TV,'' said owner Bahram Saghari. ``I just had to do something.''

Many Bay Area school districts have vowed to take as many children as they can. But it's not clear when an estimated 100 evacuees will arrive at San Jose shelters, or how many school-age children will be in that group.

Bellarmine College Prep, a Catholic school in San Jose, has plans in place to accept displaced students from Jesuit New Orleans, their sister school, and have room for other South Bay evacuees.

After a harrowing road trip from his New Orleans home to a Florida hotel, and three days of wondering what might come next followed by a cross-country flight to his aunt's house, 3-year-old Quinn Farnet needed a place to settle down.

On Tuesday, he was welcomed without ceremony or paperwork to a Menlo Park preschool. ``He had a ball,'' said his mother, Lynne Farnet. ``People couldn't have been nicer. Everybody has been so, so nice.''


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Mercury News Staff Writers Deborah Lohse and S.L. Wykes and photographer Pauline Lubens contributed to this report. Contact Mary Anne Ostrom at mostrom@mercurynews.com or (415) 477-3794.



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