GOP blocks efforts to amendment relief bill, hold vote w/o providing copy

52 billion for the suffering people of the Gulf region. No Democrats have seen the bill, and they cannot amend it.

If any Democrat votes no, there's every right wing hack's talking point for tomorrow.

PATRIOT II, III, and parts of IV are probably in this bill.

at this stage in the game, they're looking for ANY way tp shift the blame ("blame game" pun intended).

each day.

how can they ram this though that way? :shrug: if not illegal, it seems downright unethical and mean.

It's downright dangerous. There's no way, were I in Congress, that I could vote for a bill that nobody in my party had seen. And, yet, it would be political suicide not to vote for this one. I feel bad for the Dems. fighting the good fight in Congress. They were handed a no-win situation.

:shrug:

-Laelth

requiring legislators to read the bills they vote upon: If you don't pass the quiz, you can't vote on it.

PS Dem's can't walk out, I think rules changed last year that redefine a quorum in a state of emergency and threaten stiff penalties (jail?) for absent members.

I don't have a link. Can somebody help me on this one?

Their abuse of power continues and intensifies.

They clearly are throwing away all pretenses of democracy :grr:

This is Fascism folks. It is alive and well. A bill that goes through he House with not even one Democrat seeing the damn thing is pure abuse of power. The Dems need to walk out and stop Congress. They need to stand together, go to EVERY media outlet such as every cable news program, major newspaper, wire service, radio program and network TV newscast and tell the Merican public what is happening. They need to explain that the Repukes relaly botched this and want to cover it up. I hate the fucking degenerate scumbags.

They'll just roll over and take it in the shorts.

They vote no, and they're lynched for voting no on aid to the hurricane.

Nobody cares that it says no taxes ever again if you make 1,000,000 a year, or free tanks for all my friends or anything, they still voted no.

This is indeed fascism.

They've got to see that aid gets to the hurricane survivors immediately. The needs of the people who are hurting must come first. It's a no-win situation for us.

But later ... there needs to be hell to pay!

:mad:

-Laelth

It is now. This is the crisis.

The Republicans don't give a god damn about this country and never will. They are systematically destroying it.

Saw that on another forum, pass this around & don't let them get away with this!

Want to guess who wrote this travesty? Democrats better f'in refuse.

They don't want debate, it is a trap for Dems.

If they vote against it, they are on record as voting against Katrina relief, and will get crucified.

If they vote for it, they are voting for a bill that isn't really relief (any more than the $87 billion for Iraq) but hand outs to their cronies.

:nuke: :banghead: :banghead: :grr: :banghead: :banghead: :grr: :banghead: :banghead: :nuke:

Tyrants, Despots, Totalitarian Regimes, Royal Families and Kings have one thing in common -- they rule by edict. Whatever the whim or desire, and based upon principles that have nothing to do with government of, by and for the people.

Republicans have become so arrogant that they no longer feel the need to hide what they are doing.

Here they have revealed that the idea of representational democracy has been totally dismantled and replaced by "rulers" who do not need written laws, but rather rule by the issuance of edicts. Neither our elected representatives nor the American people are allowed to see the supposed laws that are passed by the Republican majority before a "vote" on same is pushed through.

We do not know what is in the appropriation bill for Katrina relief, but you can be sure that it contains huge giveaways of public taxpayer money to Bush/Republican cronies.

Welcome to the reality of majority Republican rule ... democracy is dead as far as they are concerned.

That is the bluff that is being made and the Democrats have to call it. The Cabal has just killed, through negligent homicide (and I am being charitable about the negligent part), somewhere between 1,000 and 100,000 citizens. The party is over. No more compromise. No more reaching across the aisle. You cannot vote on legislation that you cannot even read. Time to walk.

Time for leadership.

It would be the height of stupidity to vote on a bill that you haven't had a chance to see. The Dems need to raise hell about this tomorrow. Why is the bill secret? What are they hiding? This is taking away the representation of over half of the country, and should be illegal.

We need to begin a massive campaign of calling in tomorrow to our Congressmen, the newspapers, t.v. stations, and anybody else we can think of. There is absolutely no reason on earth for this bill to be secret. Talk about KGB politics...

Hardly, this is business as usual. Wonder how we get screwed this time.

Huh,huh looky over there..........a democrat who voted for something not even seen by his naked eyes :rofl:


P.S. didn't they do that for the Patriot Act :shrug: If anyone thinks the government is good for anything needs to vist New Orleans

Don't they know this admin names the bills opposite of what they do?
No child left behind, The clean air act... There may not be anything in this bill for the victims of the Hurricane and flood.

I wouldn't sign anything I hadn't read unless I really trusted the person who was telling me what I was signing. I wouldn't sign anything this pResident told me to sign. He has lied to me too many times already.

From having placed a clause that any person can be shot and killed on sight for displaying any dissent on der Furor?

No fucking way should they sign it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1761564&mesg_id=1761564

CAN YOU SAY HALLIBURTON?
I KNEW YOU COULD.......

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress' top two Democrats furiously criticized the administration's response to Hurricane Katrina on Wednesday, with Sen. Harry Reid demanding to know whether President Bush's Texas vacation impeded relief efforts and Rep. Nancy Pelosi assailing the chief executive as ``oblivious, in denial.''

With much of New Orleans still under water, the White House announced that Bush is asking lawmakers to approve another $51.8 billion to cover the costs of federal recovery efforts. Congressional officials said they expected to approve the next installment as early as Thursday, to keep the money flowing without interruption.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said the new request, which is in addition to $10.5 billion already approved and was being sent to Capitol Hill later Wednesday, would not be the last.

``We are sparing no effort to help those that have been affected by Katrina and are in need of help,'' he said. ``There will be more that will be needed.''

Included in the request are $1.4 billion for the military and $400 million for the Army Corps of Engineers, which is working to plug breached levees that submerged most of New Orleans and to drain the city of the rank floodwaters, McClellan said. The rest would go to the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5262538,00.html

we need to stage a sit in. Government waste has to stop!!! This government can't help there own people but, it sure can give my tax dollars to big corporations. I am not paying any more federal taxes for big corporations.

Because we are M.A.D.!

Neo-con corporate supporters hit the US Treasury ATM again while another 100 thousand sink into poverty. The rich get richer and the poor get shuffled aside.

If I was a sneaky Repuke bastard, with no chance in hell of getting private accounts through a vote that would not kill my re-election chances, this is where I would put it.

Nader will once again be proved correct. There is hardly any difference between the Parties.

These bastards are NOT Americans, they are monsters. No true American intentionally abuses power in order to exploit fellow Americans and funnel national wealth to corporations.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the circle of leadership are fascists, plain and simple: oppressive corporacrats.