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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:44 AM
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Secret Service investigating university student (posted message on web)

http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?s=3822432&ClientType=Printable

Secret Service investigating university student

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Twenty-one-year-old Phillip Bailey is being investigated for suggesting President Bush be shot.

Bailey is chairman of the University of Louisville Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee.

He says he posted a message on a Web site in response to someone else who suggested that looters in New Orleans should be shot. Bailey wrote that many people were simply trying to find necessities to stay alive. His posting called for shooting -- in his words --"every cop, national guard and politician who stands in your way, including George W. Bush if need be."'

The Secret Service says it'll be up to the U-S attorney's office to decide if Bailey is charged with making threats against the president. That offense can carry a five-year prison term.

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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:47 AM
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1. can you get kicked out of the NVCC for advocating violence?
This investigation will close quickly, the thing is, the Secret Service takes this stuff very seriously, and will investigate anything. they're a lot like airport security in that regard, even jokes have to be taken seriously, if only for a short while.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:56 AM
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27. NVCC? Do you mean SNCC (or Snick)
Only one of the most influential civil rights activism groups in American history? Organized things like, um, I dunno, all the lunch counter sit-ins of the late 1950's and early 1960's...You know...SNCC.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:50 PM
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34. I meant NVCC
the Non-Violent Coordinating Committee to which the article says he belongs.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:56 PM
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40. It's the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 08:58 PM by alcibiades_mystery
Also known as SNCC (pronounced Snick). It's only one of the most famous activism groups in history. And it is not called NVCC...

Google NVCC.
Now, Google SNCC.

See?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:30 PM
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45. details. the question stands
when you are an executive in a group that claims to support non-violence (whatever the correct initials are) does advocating violence, as this man did, get you kicked out?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:33 PM
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46. Yeah, but I was only focusing on that detail
The question never really interested me.

Cheers, though
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:48 AM
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2. Oh, for crying out loud.
This is simply ridiculous! shit
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:00 AM
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13. Totally. n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:02 AM
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14. YOU CAN HOWEVER STILL CALL HIS HIGHNESS
A THIEVING COWARDLY AWOL CHIMPANZEE

at least for a little while longer.
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:52 AM
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26. It's a warning that YOU TOO can be locked up - too weird and sick ...
minded. They're a NON-VIOLENT GROUP for Heaven's sake!

However, the more bizarre and unpredictable the Bush-Co arresting is, the more likely those damn "little people" (yep, that's us) will behave themselves. KKKarl has studied the Psychology of such endeavors. He and his people have never let our "dear leader" down yet. KKKarl's downright untouchable. :puke:
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 08:49 AM
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3. I knew he was trouble when his did that Phil Collins duet!
n/t
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Brent Turbeaux Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:20 PM
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30. HAHAHAHAHA!!! n/t
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:05 AM
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4. Yes, our tax dollars go for the important things. My son says they
may not let me get on the plane to DC 9/23...and he may be right!
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Lilyhoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:47 AM
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23. Change your flight to another airport and rent a car if you can.
Might be an option if you are really concerned.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:12 AM
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5. where is Pat Robertson when you need him?
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:20 AM
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7. We used to say...
"Where's Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him?" but of course you could only say that about a Democratic president in today's climate of repression of free speech. Goodbye friends. I expect Gonzales to be on my doorstep soon...
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:18 AM
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17. Remember when soem RW senator,
either Helms or Thurmond--I get my RW asshooles confused soemtiems in my memory--warned that Pres. Clinton had better not come to his state because he might get k**led? (I do the ** thing, becuase I don't doubt that the govt. searches the web for comments that link that deadly word with the word "president.")
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jahyarain Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:47 AM
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22. a democracy of hypocrisy
as Marshall would say
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:17 AM
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6. WE ALL KNOW it can happen to us.
Such as making a suggestion that any Supreme Court judge who has a life-time appointment to the bench should consider the dangers of such a job, in future.

OR..let's see...can we talk about how the US special ops has lazer weapons to microwave any commercial jetliner, with a passenger on board they need to 'off'?

When the Govt kills citizens, systematically...when exactly does it cease being the Govt of THE PEOPLE?

Please...somebody, give me an example..AND what should be done? AND, what is PATRIOTIC DUTY, in the eyes of our Founding Fathers now?
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defiant1 Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:28 AM
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8. Wow....
Talk about taking a statement out of context. Nowhere in that statement is he suggesting that Bush be shot.

:puke:

Hey SS, if you're reading this :

:hi:
:toast:
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CBGLuthier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:49 AM
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9. I made a similar comment when Reagan was shot
It was just a couple of months after John Lennon and I commented at my workplace that it was a shame the two shooters hadn't changed places.

Fortunately, no one reported me.

Of course, that was back when I thought it was just a coincidence and long before I ever googled "John Lennon George Bush."
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:00 PM
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29. my mother made a similar statement last week ;)

I wonder whether being 75 would get her special consideration.

Fortunately, she's in Canada, and I'm not going to report her anyhow ... and we ultimately agreed that this would probably be about the worst time for anybody to do it, anyhow.

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Callalily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:16 AM
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10. Yes, it's true that the
SS must take these comments seriously, but really, wouldn't it be more prudent to scrutinize comments before hard earned tax dollars are wasted? This is a complete waste of time and resources.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:52 AM
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11. Silly wabbit!
Didn't he know that all he had to do was say he was making "a personal observation" and everyone would smile forgivingly?

(Hey Agent Mike ... :P )
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ridgerunner Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:58 AM
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12. Phillip Bailey photo andCJ story
http://cmsimg.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=B2&Date=20050908&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=509080451&Ref=AR&Profile=1008&MaxW=160


UofL student's Web posting brings out Secret Service
Web posting mentioned shooting police, Bush

By Jessie Halladay
jhalladay@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal

>snip

Bailey's comments were posted, and criticized, on the local Fraternal Order of Police Web site.

FOP President Richard Dotson said one of his members alerted the union leadership and someone from the union reported the Web posting to the Secret Service.

Referring to Bailey as "an idiot," Dotson said, "As far as I'm concerned, it's a direct threat against authority. We're concerned that someone out there might believe the remarks of this man."

Bailey, who contributes regularly to the Louisville Cardinal, the campus newspaper, and has been active in efforts to fight violence in the city, said he believes that people are trying to misuse his comments to discredit him.

more:http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050908/NEWS01/509080451/1008/NEWS01
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The Sleeper Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:03 AM
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15. Sillier Wabbit...
"...when exactly does it cease being the Govt of THE PEOPLE?"

We live in a kingdom now, didn't you see the Fox News Announcement ?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:05 AM
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16. As if george worthless bush would ever be in the midst of "looters"
What a bunch of horseshit. bush would never be anywhere near any kind of situation that would even cause him a hangnail. Unless of course he's riding his bikey-wikey.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:29 AM
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18. It would be interesting to find out
who reported him. I didn't even know that was an option. I've read plenty of that kind of stuff at Freepland.
Of course it was all directed at evil Liberals. Does the SS investigate online "threats" to Senators?

If so, I have some civic duty to perform. Anyone care to join me?
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ridgerunner Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:41 AM
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19. uhh, it's posted above n/t
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:48 AM
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25. uhh, I don't see the name of the clown that reported him. n/t
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ridgerunner Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:43 AM
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20. dupe
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 11:45 AM by ridgerunner
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:44 AM
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21. Too bad this kid isn't an Evangelical Preacher.
He might be able to get away with it.
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Boomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:48 AM
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24. Many government officials are vulnerable to the same charges
How many government officials have advocated that looters be shot?

Well, Bush is one of the biggest looters on the face of this planet. He has emptied the coffers of our nation and poured them into the pockets of his friends.

So, obviously, elected officials are advocating the shooting of the president. Naughty, naughty. I'm sure the Secret Service will want to have a little chat with them.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:59 AM
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28. get 'em a dictionary
Tell 'em to look up "hyperbole", and "figure of speech".

I swear, I could just kill people who are that disingenuous.
I'd swing for them, myself.

Or, as LSU's Hurricane Center director van Heerden said on Sunday about the FEMA representative who responded to his urging *last year* that tent cities would have to be prepared for evacuees if disaster struck New Orleans by saying, sarcastically, "Americans don't live in tents", when asked what he'd say to her now, "I'd wring her neck". Or maybe I'd knock someone's block off ...

Back during Gulf War I, a friend of mine was hospitalized in the US midwest for acute alcohol overdosing, and was undergoing detoxification. Genuinely distressed about the war then starting, but also self-righteous and diversionary as addicts are wont to be, he announced that if Bush I attempted to draft his son, he'd shoot him.

Well, his son was 10 years old. But still the secret service was called, and the interview conducted. A few days later, I had a floral delivery made to him in the hospital: a large umbrella-tree plant ... a sort of ... bush. He checked it for ... bugs ... and named it George.

I know quite sure that a drunk who said such things about a prime minister in Canada would be ignored just like any other drunk who said any other self-serving attention-getting outlandish thing would be.

Conditional threats, where the condition will never materialize. The likelihood of George W. Bush standing in the way of a food-looter was about as likely as the other one drafting a 10-year-old.

No threat at all.




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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:30 PM
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31. but it's okay for G. Gordon Liddy?
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NorCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:30 PM
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32. Good thing his name isn't Pat Robertson! n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:39 PM
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47. Or Jesse Helms or Anne Coulter or Sean Hannity or Rush Limpballs
or Trent Lott or Strom Thurmond, etc. etc.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:48 PM
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33. He will get 5 years but our pres* who has killed thousands still...
has supporters calling him compassionate. The irony is thick.
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Arbiter Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:52 PM
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35. What about the person who suggested that looters be shot?
What's going to happen to him/her? He/she should get the same punishment.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:39 PM
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36. If he's charged, it's up to the jury
and if they're freeptards, he's toast, like this guy:

http://www.thespeciousreport.com/2002_burningbush.html

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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:52 PM
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37. Shoot the President...
Come investigate me, please.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 04:59 PM
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38. o boo hoo! Rome drowns and Feds get knickers in a bunch over this!
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 07:30 PM
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39. now wait a minute

He's talking about a hypothetical self-defense situation here.
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Baconfoot Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:13 PM
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44. It sure looks like it. If it's a crime to say I'd sh**t Bush if he stood
between me and my first meal in three days then...
I guess I better move to Canada.
(Note to potential investigators: I should move to Canada NOT because I have ever said anything about sh**t ing Bush but because THIS would not be the sort of country I would want to live in anymore, and, well, Canada is so close etc. )
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disconnected Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 09:41 PM
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41. oh please!
Talk about wasting resources.
..This is your tax dollars hard at work folks.


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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:02 PM
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42. (AP) Secret Service investigating student (for Katrina/Shoot * Comments)
Edited on Thu Sep-08-05 09:48 PM by truthpusher
http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d8cg3kb00.xml

Secret Service investigating university student
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The Associated Press
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. The Secret Service has its eye on a Kentucky student.

Twenty-one-year-old Phillip Bailey is being investigated for suggesting President Bush be shot.

Bailey is chairman of the University of Louisville Student Non-violent Coordinating Committee.

He says he posted a message on a Web site in response to someone else who suggested that looters in New Orleans should be shot. Bailey wrote that many people were simply trying to find necessities to stay alive. His posting called for shooting -- in his words --"every cop, national guard and politician who stands in your way, including George W. Bush if need be."'

The Secret Service says it'll be up to the U-S attorney's office to decide if Bailey is charged with making threats against the president. That offense can carry a five-year prison term.


Link: http://www.winktv.com/x466.xml?URL=http://localhost/APWIREFEED/d8cg3kb00.xml
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marbuc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 10:02 PM
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43. How did they find out?
Did someone turn him in?
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 11:04 PM
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48. clear and present danger... dumbasses.
unless he's typing on a laptop resting on george w. bush's lap w/ a gun slung over his shoulder he still has right of free speech. as reckless and unthinking as it may be. you can investigate him as a potential threat (which would make sense), but you cannot prosecute and convict without overruling our constitution.

what's next, arrest stephen hawkings if he ever says, "george w. bush can eat the rest of my pretzels."? remove head from sphincter, then proceed.
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