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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:25 PM
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Bush vows action over Iran
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 01:27 PM by sabra

http://dailytelegraph.news.com.au/story/0,20281,16599889-5001028,00.html

Bush vows action over Iran


US President George W. Bush, bound for the United Nations, said overnight that he would try to rally China and Russia this week behind possible UN action to ensure Iran does not get nuclear weapons.

"It is very important for the world to understand that Iran with a nuclear weapon will be incredibly destabilising. And therefore, we must work together to prevent them from having the wherewithal to develop a nuclear weapon," he said.

Asked whether seeking UN sanctions was now inevitable, Mr Bush pointed to a September 19 meeting of the UN nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and said "there is still an IAEA process to go forward."

He said Washington would push for "full disclosure about Iranian intentions" in order for the UN Security Council to "determine the right policy to go forward."



edit: better article on the subject
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judy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:31 PM
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1. Oh, because the US with nukular weapons
is not destabilizing??? Arggghhh!

I hope he speaks to a dead silence and NO applause of any kind, and I hope they rebuke him about Iran. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

I feel sick! :scared: :puke:
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:34 PM
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3. Yeah, where's Dominic deVillepin when you need him?
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:33 PM
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2. Rerun ... get out the bugs for the hotel rooms
Condi will twist arms, then IdiotBoy gives blustery speech about how the U.N. needs to be more than a debating society and if it will not act, we'll form a coalition of ... any nations that have been hibernating for the past four years.

Talk about a "failure of imagination"; these people have only one game plan and they just keep running it over and over again.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:34 PM
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4. shit, this is what happens when you have a crazy man in the WH needing
to change the conversation in his own country.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 02:16 PM
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13. It's not enough to be a "war president"
He wants to be a "bomb" president. He wants to be the one to push the big red button.
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no_to_war_economy Donating Member (962 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:35 PM
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5. oil back to 70 bucks a barrel now!
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:36 PM
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6. The Iran trap
In the complicated world of international diplomacy surrounding the issue of Iran's nuclear programme, there is but one thing that the United States, the International Atomic Energy Agency, the so-called EU-3 (Germany, France and Great Britain) and Iran can all agree upon.


And that is: Iran has resumed operations of facilities designed to convert uranium into a product usable in enrichment processes. From that point forward consensus on just about anything begins to fall apart.

Iran's resumption of its uranium conversion programme seems to have brought to an end a negotiating process begun in November 2004 between the EU-3 and Iran, at which time Iran agreed to freeze its uranium enrichment-related activities in exchange for the EU-3's agreement to broker a deal that would provide inducements for Iran to give up its nuclear enrichment program.

With the EU-3 initiative now dead in the water, it appears that the next logical step in the diplomatic process is for the IAEA to refer the matter to the Security Council, where the US, backed by the EU-3, have threatened to push for economic sanctions. The IAEA board meets in Vienna, Austria on 19 September to discuss this matter.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1A678E7E-2612-4B21-8D21-04E6D5FC5D54.htm

It's just that the trap is being set for Bush et al.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:42 PM
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7. GET THIS SON OF A BITCH OUT OF OUR OFFICE!!!!!!!
Lancelot Link! You stupid simian (shouldn't say that, because it insults simians)! PLEASE! DON'T FUCKING SPEAK!!! Any more. Any words you have to say are one more puzzle piece to the ultimate realization of armageddon.

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:44 PM
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8. Chimp and when China and Russia give you the big FU
What will you do then :rofl:

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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:46 PM
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9. gonna rally..
.. China and Russia like a cheerleader for nuking an unpopular spoke on the axis of evil.

Shudder.

The man is truly insane. I guess he looks sane to his just as insane base because they live in upsidedown world.

Sue
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 01:49 PM
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10. I missed the part where he says WHY they will be destabilizing.
I mean, maybe they would be, but are we just supposed to take his word for it? Is there any evidence to support his contention? Is it just because they are Muslim? Have they gassed their owm people? Do they have drones programmed for the USA?

Does the White House IraN Group have to identify themselves on their product, or do they ghost-write for the CIA and FBI?

Is John Bolton satisfied with the IAEA process?
Have we provided "full disclosure" of our intentions?
Does all of this have anything to do with the Caspian Sea?

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RONSTOO Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 02:08 PM
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12. they will destabilize the petrodollar
once they open their Bourse in 3/06...


which means they will have kicked our asses without firing a shot.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 02:06 PM
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11. Russia and China asks Bush
Who will you get to present your intelligence now that Powell has left your administration?
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deacon2 Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 03:25 PM
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14. But hey, nukes in Pakistan is fine. They're our friends. n/t
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 03:29 PM
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15. That's right Dude, just open up ANOTHER
fucking can of worms.

:sarcasm:
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 03:41 PM
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16. I hope Russia and China say
"Fuck yourself Bush"
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 04:27 PM
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17. crucial story that everyone even here is overlooking
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:45 PM
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18. Whatever happened to the George Bush who called the U.N. "pussies"?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:47 PM
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19. Is that why the mofo is going on tv thursday? ANOTHER war??
Could he REALLY believe that this will shore up those extremely dismal ratings? Cuz he's making a really bad mistake, another war will sink this country faster than an olive in his near-beer martini.
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pro_blue_guy Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:54 PM
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21. I feel sick
There goes the planet

:nuke:
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NYdemocrat089 Donating Member (614 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:56 PM
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22. Bush is going on TV on Thursday?
Edited on Tue Sep-13-05 08:00 PM by NYdemocrat089
Update: Nevermind, I just read about this in another post.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:49 PM
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20. Not another war!
The military is already stretched as it is!
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 07:57 PM
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23. China and Russia will laugh in his dumb ass face
That's where they get a lot of their oil.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:09 PM
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24. Bush bluster
where is that clown in the oval office going to get enough troops to back up his latest threat.?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-13-05 11:11 PM
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25. Capitalist dog barks but he has no teeth!
Unless Bush is cloning an army somewhere, I can't see how he is going to back his rhetoric.

The man is a fool, a dangerous fool!
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 07:47 AM
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26. Has he not been reading his newspapers?? China and Russia
agree that Iran has a right to a nuclear program. Is he going to try to bribe China with their own money?
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:08 AM
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27. Just how in the fuck do they plan on paying for this?
We're a pubic hair away from broke as it is, we've got two wars draining the treasury now. We've got a disaster in the south that is demanding money.
They've already raped the treasury of all disposable income, while the rich piggies are living it up the rest of the country is sinking into poverty.
Fuel and food costs are going to kill us in the coming months, the game is rapidly coming to an end, I just hope someone can stop these madmen before they throw a bomb.
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Frederik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 08:17 AM
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28. Here comes the slide show!
U.S. Deploys Slide Show to Press Case Against Iran

By Dafna Linzer
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 14, 2005; A07

UNITED NATIONS, Sept. 13 -- With an hour-long slide show that blends satellite imagery with disquieting assumptions about Iran's nuclear energy program, Bush administration officials have been trying to convince allies that Tehran is on a fast track toward nuclear weapons.

The PowerPoint briefing, titled "A History of Concealment and Deception," has been presented to diplomats from more than a dozen countries. Several diplomats said the presentation, intended to win allies for increasing pressure on the Iranian government, dismisses ambiguities in the evidence about Iran's intentions and omits alternative explanations under debate among intelligence analysts.

The presenters argue that the evidence leads solidly to a conclusion that Iran's nuclear program is aimed at producing weapons, according to diplomats who have attended the briefings and U.S. officials who helped to assemble the slide show. But even U.S. intelligence estimates acknowledge that other possibilities are plausible, though unverified.

The problem, acknowledged one U.S. official, is that the evidence is not definitive. Briefers "say you can't draw any other conclusion, and of course you can draw other conclusions," said the official, who would discuss the closed-door sessions only on condition of anonymity.

The briefings were conducted in Vienna over the past month in advance of a gathering of world leaders this week at the United Nations. President Bush, who is to address the annual General Assembly gathering Wednesday, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, plan to use the meeting to press for agreement to threaten international sanctions against Iran.

The president's direct involvement marks an escalation of a two-year effort to bring Iran before the U.N. Security Council, which has the power to impose sanctions, unless Tehran gives up technology capable of enriching uranium for a bomb. U.S. officials have acknowledged that it has been an uphill campaign, with opposition from key allies who fear a prelude to a military campaign.

Several diplomats said the slide show reminded them of the flawed presentation on Iraq's weapons programs made by then-secretary of state Colin L. Powell to the U.N. Security Council in February 2003. "I don't think they'll lose any support, but it isn't going to win anyone either," said one European diplomat who attended the recent briefing and whose country backs the U.S. position on Iran.

Robert G. Joseph, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, acknowledged last week that despite European support, the Bush administration has traveled a tough road in persuading others that Iran should face consequences for a nuclear program it built in secret.

"There's a great deal of resistance . . . on the part of many governments who don't seem to place, quite frankly, nonproliferation and Iran, a nuclear-armed Iran, at the top of their priority list," he told a congressional panel last week.

Several influential nations such as India, Russia, China, South Africa and Brazil share U.S. suspicions about Iran's intentions. But they maintain profound differences with the Bush administration over how to respond, and are apprehensive about the goals of a U.S. president who has said "all options are on the table," in dealing with Tehran.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/13/AR2005091301837_pf.html
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RedCloud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:34 AM
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29. Mistitled thread; Bush vows AUCTION over Iran
Smart money is on Halliburton.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:40 AM
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30. ...woof woof, run sheepy run. Bleep bleep, the sheep are not running
this time.

"full disclosure about Iranian intentions" Relax with John Bolton and drink coffee and eat cake while YOU watch the Powerpoint slide show.
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bribri16 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 10:46 AM
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31. Personally, I think Iran with nuclear weapons would be a deterrent to US.
We are the only country right now that needs to be deterred. Everyone else is too busy building their own economies.
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:18 PM
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32. Gee, with the US, Russia & China having nuclear weapons....
there's no way that Iran should be able to. You know, it's a Muslim country, could be terrorists there just like...um....Russia, China & the US.

But seriously, didn't I just read that Russia has already said that the US had better not change its nuclear doctrine (which the Pentagon is doing) or it will lead to every country having the right to the weapons?

Bu the time we get a new president in 2009 we're going to be a nation of lunatics with leaders like this.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-14-05 12:47 PM
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33. Y'know, it's time like this that I sort of wish I was a Christian
Because then I could believe that this lying, murdering, traitorous bastard and his entire criminal rat-bastard enterprise would burn in hell for all eternity.
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