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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:05 PM
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Kerry, Edwards Blast Bush Over Katrina

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1140178

Kerry, Edwards Blast Bush Over Katrina Response, Wage Law Suspension
President Bush participates in a Homeland Security Council meeting,

WASHINGTON Sep 19, 2005 — Two Democrats who might seek the White House again in 2008 criticized President Bush for his response to the devastation of Hurricane Katrina, assailing the suspension of wage laws while urging a concerted effort to aid the poor.

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In a blistering critique, Kerry said former FEMA Director Michael Brown was to Hurricane Katrina "what Paul Bremer is to peace in Iraq; what George Tenet is to slam dunk intelligence … what George Bush is to 'Mission Accomplished' and 'Wanted Dead or Alive.' … The bottom line is simple: The 'we'll do whatever it takes' administration doesn't have what it takes to get the job done."

In prepared remarks to be delivered at Brown University in Providence, R.I., the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee said the government's response to the disaster revealed a "broader pattern of incompetence and negligence" in the Bush administration.

Edwards, the 2004 vice presidential candidate, said the hurricane was a sober reminder that widespread poverty exists throughout the nation. He said it will persist if the poor are concentrated in specific neighborhoods far from jobs.

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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:07 PM
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1. I'd vote for these two. But would a rehash fly?
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:30 PM
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10. I'm not sure....
I would vote for these two over the GWB admin any day, just like i did last november, but i'm not sure if a rehash will fly, but maybe that can help bolster another nomination...but who knows.
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cami715 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:44 PM
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12. Take a look at what Kerry and Edwards said during the campaign.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 03:48 PM by cami715
Almost everything they warned of has come to pass. Edwards repeatedly talked of the "two Americas" and of the poverty in this nation that is ignored by the current administration. Hurricane Katrina showed him to be right. Kerry and Edwards knew the problems, but Bush, Rove and the spin machine, constantly ridiculed them. Well, we are losing in Iraq, the national debt is astronomical and rising, Homeland Security is a farce, Karl Rove revealed the identity of a CIA officer during wartime, and the so-called president took 5 days to respond to dying Americans in the Gulf area. I'm glad I was in the 49% who recognized true leaders! I'd vote for them again!
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Carla in Ca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:04 PM
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18. Sometimes I think it would send a real strong message
to the people, on all sides, if Kerry/Edwards was the ticket for '08. The message would be that they are everything that this administration is not like competent, intelligent and compassionate.
Then I think, no, we need a new duo with fresh ideas.
Al Gore would work for me as well. Gore/Clark?
A Kerry/Edwards ticket has one huge plus...the repug smear campaign has used up all it's ammo. I like this idea more and more. Their first promise would be to install James Lee Witt as FEMA director.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:44 PM
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26. I'd LOVE to see a Kerry/Edwards rematch in '08.
Senators? I've heard there isn't as much of a rift between the two of you as a person might assume. If there is--kiss and make up, hmmm? We need you.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:56 PM
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28. I'd prefer Gore/Edwards in '08
If Gore had picked Edwards instead of Loserman, we would probably have a different story today. But, sigh...here we are
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:20 PM
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33. I'm from CT. and not a fan of Joe L.
But Al Gore could have run with Jesus himself, and the neocons still would have stolen the election in FLA.!!! Joe was good for Gore in Fla. because of the retired Jewish population, and Americans voting abroad. So please don't blame him for Gores' loss. I really think Al would have done much better, all over, with his base, if he had stuck to "It's the economy, Stupid" and not distanced himself from Clinton! A lot of Dems. here on DU may not care for big dog anymore, but he has a HUGE grassroots following. The African American population still adore him, as do middle income folks! (like I used to be 'til bush made me poor!!)
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:26 AM
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36. I wouldn't mind seeing that!
I just hope Democrats keep coming out against bush and this administration. Nothing wrong with kicking these idiots while they are down.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:14 AM
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40. From Edwards comments, there is no rift at all
He spoke of going to the Kerry's home with the the 2 little kids and Teresa sending them home with cake for Elizabeth. I don't think there is any problem on a personal level.

I think Edwards will run for President. It's clearly what he is gearing up for and so is Kerry. Neither engaged in personal attacks last year and I would imagine it would hurt either one to do so. In Kerry's case, it would beg the question of why he chose him. In Edwards case, it would simply look tacky.

So there may be no reason to make up. I doubt Edwards would agree to running as the VP unless he was sure he had no chance for president.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:10 PM
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2. I am glad to see some corporate media coverage of that speech
It was a barn-burner. . .

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/speeches/spc_2005_09_19.html

<snip>

And the rush now to camouflage their misjudgments and inaction with money doesn’t mean they are suddenly listening. It's still politics as usual. The plan they’re designing for the Gulf Coast turns the region into a vast laboratory for right wing ideological experiments. They’re already talking about private school vouchers, abandonment of environmental regulations, abolition of wage standards, subsidies for big industries - and believe it or not yet another big round of tax cuts for the wealthiest among us!

The administration is recycling all their failed policies and shipping them to Louisiana. After four years of ideological excess, these Washington Republicans have a bad hangover -- and they can't think of anything to offer the Gulf Coast but the hair of the dog that bit them.

And amazingly -- or perhaps not given who we’re dealing with -- this massive reconstruction project will be overseen not by a team of experienced city planners or developers, but according to the New York Times, by the Chief of Politics in the White House and Republican Party, none other than Karl Rove -- barring of course that he is indicted for "outing" an undercover CIA intelligence officer.

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glugglug Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 12:20 AM
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38. Why couldn't he have given this kind of speech in 2004?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:17 AM
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41. There wasn't sufficient anger in the country - outside of the people
Kerry was already going to get. That said, there were many excellent hard hitting speeches that you had to watch CSPAN or read the Kerry blog (or other liberal sites) to see or read.
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:12 PM
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3. Why has it taken them two weeks?
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:17 PM
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4. Perhaps they were waiting for the bodies to be removed
As corpses were still floating and lying around and still being found perhaps they were waiting for a respectful moment? Two weeks is just a drop in the bucket. Katrina will be with us for a long, long time.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:25 PM
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8. Actually, Kerry was in Iraq, and then when he returned
he's done a lot of work to help Katrina victims. In addition, he issued a statement after Bush's speech on Thursday night. He's been doing alot...
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:58 PM
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17. But they support a war in Iraq being handled with deadlier incompetence
but Edwards has been good in presenting an alternative plan for the Gulf region.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:10 PM
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20. I beg to differ with you!!
They do not support the war in Iraq! THey are supporting the troops who have to fight this evil war based on lies and greed for oil!! The only thing they supported was the Presidents right to go to war AS A LAST RESORT !! They were lied to, the same way all of us were lied to. They want our troops home safely as much as Cindy Sheehan does!! Kerry is the only one who's had our backs the whole time since the election, WHICH HE WON, was stolen from him! Think he can't do it again?? I KNOW HE CAN! If "tricky dick" got elected on the second try, John Kerry can, and will, do it too. He has "BULLDOG DETERMINATION" that no other Democrat has. You watch and see. Just last weekend he flew down to Baton Rouge with a planeful of supplies for the evacuees. Where was the press coverage for that??? I hear Bush is heading back down there again, maybe he'll meet up with Hurricane Rita!! He deserves WHATEVER HE GETS!!!
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:40 PM
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22. If we could see through the Iraq lies, why couldn't they?
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:00 PM
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24. OK Sadie,
Tell me when YOU KNEW that they were lying. Did you know it when Colin Powell was presenting the case to the UN? Even HE thought it was true, only to find out that they made a "sucker out of him" The only thing Kerry did wrong was to give Bush the benefit of the doubt, when he voted to give the pResident the power to do things the right way, which I'm sure he (Kerry) would have expected and appreciated if he were the President!! Which by the way, HE IS!!
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sadiesworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:25 PM
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25. I knew Iraq posed no threat from the outset.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 07:26 PM by sadiesworld
The arguments made by Powell had been debunked before he gave his UN performance. HE knew the arguments were crap, he wasn't suckered into anything.
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:05 PM
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32. You are entitled to your opinion,
but I still disagree with you. Personally I have never believed anything that has come out of bushes mouth!! I have a son-in law-, whom I love dearly, but he is a Preacher, and solid bushie but; after we went into Afghanistan, he couldn't for the life of him figure out, WHY bush was going into Iraq, because "thats not where Bin Laden is", and what did Iraq have to do with 9/11??? He was taken aback by how vehemently I spoke about "the pResident"!! He couldn't understand how I could hate anyone so much!! I'm wondering ( I haven't asked) how he feels about his pResident now? Sure we all suspected it was lies, but like I said previously most people would never have suspected just how devious and what a liar bush is!! A lot still can't fathom it, even here on DU!! When we try to convince them ,they don the tinfoil hats!! Remember, George Tenet was a part of the former Dem. Administration. Could it be that The senators and House were all "hoodwinked" by the mis- intelligence that came from the CIA? I have a son who insisted that Bush must know something that he can't let the Americans know, and we shouldn't be so quick to judge!! Yeah, right!!! Until I joined DU, I lacked a lot of the inside information that the MSM wasn't talking about. It was Keith Olbermann that opened up my eyes, then came the Downing St memos, then Plame, etc. etc. I don't think The politicians on the Hill have time to read all the stuff we have at our disposal these days. I said all this to ask you, WHY DON"T you all just give Kerry the benefit of the doubt?? I don't think it would kill ya! Bush will do that first. Whoever runs in 2008 against the Repuke machine won't stand a chance in hell unless we the the VOTING RIGHT! We should all be thinking about 2006 first and foremost, because we need a balance in power just in case we do get stuck with bush til his term is up!!!
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:10 PM
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29. But they do support the war! You could look it up.
Edited on Mon Sep-19-05 08:11 PM by confludemocrat
I dont think Kerry or these others has a chance next time because of their steadfast war support. This will hang around their necks for good.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:32 PM
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11. Hit him while he's down. Shrub gave his big speech and continued to
drop in the polls. Past bush supporters are more open to criticism of the pRresident, launching much of that criticism themselves.

Kerry/Edwards have a captive audience right now.

Watch the RW talking heads start calling Dems whiners and nay-sayers again. Don't think it will do Shrub much good this time around as people's own thoughts and feelings are beginning to correlate with many on the Dem side.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:23 AM
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42. Captive audience?
Not really - less than a minute or two of coverage for all the Democrats (except Bill Clinton). These are both strong speeches - but neither was given much press. To my knowledge, neither even made CSPAN.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:19 PM
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5. Isn't it sad the Bush campaign was based upon
"I can keep you safe and they can't?" Kerry/Edwards should be in office now.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 04:17 PM
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16. That's the rub
It turns out that Cheney has not at all prepared the country for a natural or man-made disaster. And whatever the Yale boy was supposed to do, either.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:22 PM
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6. Text of Kerry's speech -
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cami715 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:47 PM
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13. Kerry's speech
Well worth reading - the whole thing. He tells it like it is and has a genuine understanding of what is wrong in this country today.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:23 PM
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7. castrato duet?
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MsAnthropy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:28 PM
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9. Or just waiting for Clinton's lead?
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capriccio Donating Member (306 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:51 PM
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14. That would be castrati, right?
But it looks like Kerry followed Gore into Liberal Rehab and took the "I just lost an election I shouldn't have lost" Treatment. Who's next?
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 03:54 PM
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15. actually ms. clinton and obama are likely to sound off next.
I'm sure the democrats will jump on this and keep it going.

They dang well better!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:06 PM
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19. Bravo!!!
Let 'em have it boys!!!:patriot:
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:24 PM
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21. Seeing their names together again just gave my heart a little leap
I miss last year. :(
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 06:52 PM
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23. Wow... where was this face of the Democratic party in 2004?
*sigh*
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 07:56 PM
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27. those are some great lines, love it
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 08:11 PM
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30. these trailer towns may someday be known as Bushvilles
Speaking of Bushvilles

Mobile Home Industry Waiting on FEMA By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press Writer
Mon Sep 19, 5:28 PM ET



WHITE PINE, Tenn. - Manufacturers are gearing up to produce cities of mobile homes for Hurricane Katrina victims, but 10 days after the federal government received their proposals to address the housing emergency, the companies are still waiting for a response.

"A lot of people are waiting," said Phyllis Knight, executive vice president and chief financial officer for Champion Enterprises Inc., a mobile home manufacturer based in Auburn Hills, Mich.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency set a Sept. 9 deadline for mobile home makers to submit bids. But FEMA spokesman Butch Kinerney said there has been a delay because the agency's parent, the Department of Homeland Security, has yet to approve a housing plan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050919/ap_on_bi_ge/katrina_manufactured_housing;_ylt=AtXev6PTaMP2ff0m_9JMawWb.HQA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3bGI2aDNqBHNlYwM3NDk-

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 09:25 PM
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31. Well we know...
...if John Kerry had been in the White House, the aid to New Orleans would have arrived as soon as the storm left. Not like what did happen: it got there after b**h left his vacation.

I'd vote for Kerry again. Heck, we won the election anyway, but too many people think it ended up fair and square. What's it gonna take to get them thinking right?
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-19-05 11:36 PM
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34. Kerry/Edwards: Sounds better now, doesn't it?
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 01:06 AM
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35. Absolutely Wonderful! Hope they sell thousands of them!
Might I get arrested for randomly sticking them to bumpers in the grocery store parking lot?
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-20-05 08:23 AM
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37. Where have they been all this time!!!!!
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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 01:37 PM
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43. Simple answer?
Kerry has been busy on the Senate floor, pushing for legislation to "watch our backs"!!! He's been to Iraq and back, and been so many places speaking on behalf of our UNDER INSURED CHILDREN!! Just because the MSM doesn't cover all of his activities, doesn't mean it hasn't happened. I've heard it said on the Kerry Forum, that he's so many places, at what seems like the same time, he must have one or two "CLONES" out there!! As for John Edwards? He been tending to his family and his presious wife who is recovering from cancer. In addition, he is teaching, and speaking all over the country about the "TWO AMERICAS" So I would say they've been pretty busy, out there WATCHING OUR BACKS!! I think we owe it to them, to WATCH THEIRS!!
:rant: :kick:
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-21-05 08:11 AM
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39. Kerry's and Edward's speeches compliment each other!
Kerry's is certainly much more critical of the Bush administrations failures overall,detailing their many shortcomings, and Edwards takes a humanitarian approach by associating poverty with response.I don't think they planed to give their speeches on the same day, it just worked out that way. Interesting, perhaps we have a tag team.
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