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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:08 AM
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Hillary Comes Out Against Freedom Center
WASHINGTON - Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday dealt a crushing blow to the International Freedom Center planned for Ground Zero, saying she wants the project canned for failing to listen to the 9/11 families.

"I cannot support the IFC," Clinton declared last night in a strongly worded statement in response to an inquiry from The Post.

Her tough comments are Clinton's first significant remarks about the controversy raging at Ground Zero over the Freedom Center, which 9/11 families and other critics fear will become a center of anti-Americanism.

"While I want to ensure that development and rebuilding in lower Manhattan move forward expeditiously, I am troubled by the serious concerns family members and first responders have expressed to me," Clinton said.

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/53950.htm
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:44 AM
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1. Oh, who cares?
Enough, already, with these monuments to death. All this time and money spent memorializing the dead.

Do they really think what happened on 9/11 will be forgotten?

Look how long it took to build the Holocaust Museum after the events of WWII. But, then, they were only Jews.

Sometimes this country's noise just gives me a headache. People are going without medical care and these morons are honking about some sort of "Freedom Center," even as our kids aren't getting fed.

Enough already. Do something that matters with all that time and energy.

How about monuments to the living, like universal health care?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:54 AM
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2. Rebuilding the WTC as it was would be more productive.
It'd generate jobs, for one thing.

I always thought they should rebuild them to look exactly the same (all the technological improvements would be on the inside) but one story higher, to make a point.

It'd be classy, discreet, and everybody would be happy. The plane thing won't happen again -- you got smarter than that. Why doesn't ANYBODY with a voice propose such a thing?
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:00 AM
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4. I mostly agree. Isn't that similar to what Donald Trump suggested?
Or have I got that muddled?

As for the plane thing happening again. I would never assume we've learned much of anything. After all many Americans still vote Republican. ;)


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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:29 PM
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7. Yes! I like Donald Trumps plan - which is essentially that.
Only I don't remember if it is a few stories higher to make it the tallest in the world, or 1776 feet high which is still a few stories higher.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:31 PM
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:02 PM
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11. HEY!!!!! I was talking about TRUMP, not the poster I was replying to!!!
Sorry if I didn't make myself clear.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 02:11 PM
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12. Actually it was someone else's plan, Trump just backed it. NT.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:10 PM
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9. If offered the best job in your profession with a salary higher than
what you now get, would you want an office on the 100 th floor?
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:27 PM
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13. Yeah. Lets get back to work gutting this country and exploiting others.
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 03:28 PM by Mika
Plus, kick it up a notch w/1 more story. :dilemma: But we'd do in a classy, discreet way. :eyes:



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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:35 PM
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14. The existence of big buildings with lots of offices isn't the problem. -nt
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:59 AM
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3. Here! Here!
Excellent rant!
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:36 AM
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5. For the most part I agree...
The huge amount of would be much better spent elsewhere and universal health care or similar projects would be wonderful.. but then I'm a bit of a socialist. :)

Memorials are for the living since I truly don't think those souls that have crossed over care about such things. If the families of the victims want a memorial of some type however I can certainly understand that on a psychological level but I don't feel that it needs to be BIG, it should NOT cost an arm and a leg and it should be very simple, classy and understated... perhaps a sculptural memorial chosen by the vistims families. Instead of being "political" perhaps raising the funds for it and to maintain it could be done by elementary schools every year and in an educational way, perhaps to help teach tolerance of others. If memory serves me correctly something sort of similar to this has been done for a memorial or two in the past.
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:18 AM
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6. Hypocritical monuments: a big show to cover up lack of action n/t
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PJK Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 01:17 PM
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10. It's been 4 years
......and not a brick has been laid.How much longer is it going to be before we build something? anything?
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:50 PM
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15. The IFC is probably small potatoes,
but any time a politician puts a penny on the official 9-11 scam-train track it's good.

When the heck is Spitzer going to expose the whole fraudulent business?!

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 03:56 PM
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16. One cannot de-link 9/11 from the war in Iraq
The 9/11 attack on WTC was a terrorist act by a terrorist organization against innocent people. The US attack on Iraq was a terrorist act by a terrorist nation against innocent people.

The carnage we have unleashed in Iraq have made me reevaluate the events of 9/11. We should rebuild the towers as they were and forget any memorial that does not include a fair and balance view of criminal acts that our government has committed in the name of the 9/11 victims.

The 9/11 victims have been victimized again by the crimes of the Bush regime!

Hillary has joined the ranks of those that do not want to provide context to the 9/11 events. 9/11 was not an act of random violence, such as many of the shootings our cities experience daily. 9/11, or rather the conditions that led to 9/11, resulted from US foreign policy in the Middle East and in Western Asia. What Hillary and her cohorts fear is that the record of past Administrations, from both parties, will be subjected to scrutiny if antiwar Americans were to use the Freedom Center as a public square.

9/11 did not happen in a vacuum!



An architectural rendering of the International Freedom Center by the firm Snohetta. The museum aims to include Sept. 11-related exhibits, with programs examining the role of freedom around the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/22/nyregion/22rebuild.html?hp&ex=1127361600&en=1a27e3cdfcfc985d&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:31 PM
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19. sorry, I always thought it was an ugly building
It is an opportunity to do a better job this time, with style and grace for a change. I really don't give much of a shit qhat HRC wants, she has Joementum syndrome
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-25-05 02:48 AM
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23. HRC's betrayal of history is pretty much par for the course with her.
Well said, Indiana.

Hillary's siding with the ultra-nationalists on this bit of convenient air-brushing is all too predictable. What a pandering sell-out she is!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 04:00 PM
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17. The should call it the "Mostly Free" Center
Edited on Sat Sep-24-05 04:00 PM by Dr Fate
You are mostly free to talk about things, so long as certain 9/11 families like it.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 05:35 PM
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18. Glad she is "troubled by the serious concerns"...
over this, rather than something silly, like an illegal war.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:56 PM
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20. AFIC, THEY can build anything THEY want.....
just don't use ANY public money.

A monument to Unrestrained Global Predatory Capitalism should pay for itself.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:02 PM
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21. Sorry, but 9/11 had nothing to do with an attack on our "freedom"
though that's the way BushCo wants to peg it.

We suffered a tremendous loss of lives, and a serious loss of property, but the loss of freedoms we have suffered have been at the hands of the right wing politicians, not to mention the loss of our blood and treasure in their stupid charge into Iraq. As a result, we cannot even hold down Afghanistan.

AND it was on their watch, and they had all the information they needed to protect us against 9/11 if they weren't primarily concerned about tax cuts instead. Can't wait to see what they had in their pockets when Able Danger gets investigated by Congress.
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pox americana Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:43 PM
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22. And that's giving them the maximum benefit of the doubt.
Edited on Sun Sep-25-05 12:23 AM by pox americana
Personally, I don't believe "they never could have imagined" it, or any other angle of the official fairy tale.
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