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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:17 AM
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Indian caste forces naked parade
Indian caste forces naked parade
By Sandeep Sahu in Bhubaneswar


Police in India have launched a manhunt for 29 men who allegedly forced a group of women to parade naked after a row over caste tradition.

Six women in a village in the eastern state of Orissa were dragged by their hair, beaten and paraded naked by a group of upper caste men.

They were attacked because the men in their families had refused to wash the feet of upper caste wedding guests.

The incident took place at Bhubanapati, 70km (44 miles) from Bhubaneswar.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4277624.stm
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:30 AM
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1. Another example of women used as property
The shaming of these women was done to shame the men. It shows an old way of thinking, that women are the property of men. You see this also in "honor killings" and forced rapes of women relatives of men who have done something dishonorable.

To stop these outrages, one must change the thinking of the people in these cultures. But I'm not sure how one goes about it. Even the Beloved Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) showed by example that women were to be treated as human beings and not possessions, but still many who claim to follow Islam treat women shabbily.

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emad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:36 AM
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2. In rural peasant economies women are still no better than
agricultural chattels.

Patriarchy insists on their subordination and ritual shaming in order to make men feel good about themselves and affirm/enpower the local pecking order.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:26 PM
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14. How can you expect people in rural areas of India to accept this
when, supposedly, educated people in this country believe the same thing? That women are property to be kept alive to carry a fetus, to be told what they can do with their bodies, to be brain washed that their worth is through a certain body image?

And, of course, to be treated differently when they say and behave the way men do?

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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 09:56 AM
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3. Nothing, short of a human rights abuse
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:03 AM
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4. horrible.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:18 AM
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5. Boy, that will show those lower caste women....is this what the
...Hindu religion teaches? According to this site, it seems that it does.

<snip>

The Varna and Jati Systems
by Terence Callaham and Roxanna Pavich

The Indian caste system has been in use for many years. Still today the values of the caste system are held strongly. It has kept a sense of order, and peace among the people. There are five different levels of the system: Brahman, Kshatriya, Vaishya, Shudra, and Harijans. Within each of these categories are the actual "castes" or jatis within which people are born, marry, and die. They all have their own place among each other and accept that it is the way to keep society from disintegrating to chaos. This system has worked well for Indian people and still has a major role in modern India.

Brahman
priest
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Kshatriya
ruler, warrior, landowner
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Vaishya
merchants
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Shudra
artisans, agriculturalists
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Harijan
"outside" the caste system
(once known as "untouchables")
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Class Orders

<link> http://www.csuchico.edu/~cheinz/syllabi/asst001/spring98/india.htm

<other sites>

http://adaniel.tripod.com/religious.htm

http://adaniel.tripod.com/castes.htm
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:56 AM
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9. "Harijan" was Gandhi's idea: they call themselves the Dalits
For the Dalits, Hinduism has been little more than spiritualized white supremacy:


The Dalit movement also argues for the need to break away from Hinduism for liberation, which gave religious sanction to oppression and inhuman treatment by the concept of ritual pollution and legitimized it through the concept of karma. The movement’s breaking of norms of the main stream society is an expression of this view of liberation. The Dalit movement today can be compared with the feminist movement in the world and the black movement in the U.S. in such an ideology and strategies of liberation. It strives to move beyond gaining sympathy (even support) of the upper castes and welfare from them and to organize politically and intellectually to fight their own battles.


http://www.indiatogether.org/dalit/articles/intro.htm

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:23 PM
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13. Fundamentalists abusing a metaphor
The idea behind the caste system is that certain souls are different
in their "right" work. This dharma of their lives, has no heirarchy
as much as life itself does. When dharma is the king, and dharma is
working in the field, there is great happiness, goodwill, peace and
bounty. When souls choose adharmic professions, ones that are not right
for their spirits, the results are less impressive, such as bush's
attempt to sham a presidency.

Here is more modern version of the caste system idea: http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/ There is a test anyone can take
to show which type of inclination they embody. It is not an outer
classification, as much as the same in the concept of spiritual castes.
To be a warrior caste, means you are a warrior in your life, you are
noble and fight for justice, and you could be a bakery clerk as your
profession. The soul typing has been externalized and interpreted as
birth-biology and external professional birth-castes... something
from badly taught and ignorant theology. The indian brahmin priests
have been derelict in teaching the truth, what a shame.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:43 AM
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6. arm the Dalits!
And all the oppressed castes!

A people who are attacked like this have every right to defend themselves.


Speaking of self-defense, this is interesting:

Dalit Panthers

The Dalit Panthers is the south Asian branch of the Black Panthers of America. Several of its cadre are in fact American Blacks who have volunteered to fight on the side of the Black Untouchables in the caste wars raging across south Asia. The Dalit Panthers are now found in most major cities, and they adopt the same methods against the Indo-Aryan police as the Black Panthers adopt aggainst the Anglo-Saxon police.


All around the world, Americans have inspired people -- in ways that would probably astonish the average US citizen. In a number of countries, there are (or have been) political movements (some of them armed) called the (fill in the blank) Panthers. While widely reviled by white Americans, the Black Panthers were a huge inspiration to the so-called Untouchables in India, who today have what must be the biggest Panther movement on earth.

And all this Panthering started right here in the good old U S of A!

Interesting little fact...
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:44 AM
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7. Gosh. And our corporations are sending our jobs there?
Wow.. now someone tell me why India is not considered a human-rights violator by those that do business there???
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:12 PM
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12. Why? It's BECAUSE they do business there, and profit
Therefore everything that happens there is fine. :(
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 10:48 AM
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8. Furriners! Let's git 'em!
I'm leaving now, gonna smoke 'em all out. I'll send back reports.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 11:25 AM
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10. Jesus, keep this news from junior and his gang of thugs
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-05 12:01 PM
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11. It's time for ALL people of the world who are oppressed to rise up.
We're being taken to the cleaners, and used as cannon fodder, by the elite. When our great prophet said "As you do for the least of these, you do for Me", he said a mouthful.

If we allow the weakest among us to be mistreated, who will be there to stand by us, when we are next? And it is coming to that.

It's time for the entire globe to get a new meme: ALL people in the world need some basic care, and there ARE enough resources to make it happen, if we get rid of the war machines and corporate handouts:

All people, male and female, deserve:

Clean potable water
Food
A place to live
Clean air to breathe
A free liberal higher education
Health care
Equal access to the courts
Protection under the law
Dominion over their own bodies
A right to have PEACE

With those basic provisions, all of humanity can grow and evolve.

And it's time. The enemy are ALL of those who would try to control people through the withholding of any of these basic provisions.

For cryin' out loud! It's the 21st century!

:kick::kick::kick:



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