American 'Minutemen' patrol B.C.-Washington border

American 'Minutemen' patrol B.C.-Washington border

A group of armed Americans began patrolling part of the 49th parallel Saturday, saying they'll be keeping an eye on those who illegally cross into the U.S. from British Columbia.

They're members of the Minuteman organization -- a private group that says Washington isn't doing enough to secure their country's borders.

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But critics say they're worried that some of the members are armed, and that nationally, they have associations with racist organizations.

Human rights groups from both sides of the border protested the Minutemen patrols Saturday at the Peace Arch border crossing.

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Lori Price

Not that these knuckle-walkers are dangerous to anyone but themselves, but they're nothing more than an armed gang.

You're right. What makes them any different than any other group of armed thugs?

claiming we are trying to be sure THEY don't break any laws?

all us wives and moms will form another group, and we'll follow the both of ya's around with nothing but our crossed arms and evil eyes...

and all y'all will be home by dinner!

A tough group of women is what I have in mind.

their advantage?

Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

I live about 75 miles south of Peace Arch park.

They're more likely to run across some kid with a backpack full of weed.

By the way, I live very close to the border between Washington and BC. It is hundreds of miles of rugged mountains. I advise anyone who talks about securing the border to come take a look. The Canadian customs guys say there are at least 50 logging roads in BC alone that cross the border with nobody there. And the pot-smuggling kids just ski or ride their mountain bikes across the wilderness.

Secure the border? Hah.

These Minutemen boneheads--what can I say? Fucking idiots.

...they burned the government buildings of Washington D.C. to the ground once before, don'cha'know?

...from the "Curse of the Canukistan Snowbacks."

Feh.

They should hope no one mistakes them for sloths during "sloth season...."

Shit, more people would be heading ito Canada than out of it.

I bet their wives were the first one to start calling them minutemen and they stupidly thought it was because they were patriots.

n/t

cuz homeland security isnt doing it. this country cant take anymore immigrants. they are flooding the system with cheap labor, medical insurance rates are rising, schools full.

weren't exploiting their countries' people for less than a fifth of what should be a living wage, they wouldn't flood your racist-infested country in search of better lives.

Welcome to Montezuma's revenge, friend. Your country helps bankrupt their societies by supporting killer corporations, pliant Latin American elite puppets to facilitate your policies, and you get waves of their poor coming over our border when their societies' predictably crumble.

I'm so sick of this anti-immigrant talk. Nobody spoke up when the hordes of Europe came over, but now everyone's freaked about immigration. Plain and simple: because they're not white, and because there are prevailing attitudes that Latinos are lazy. It's racist at its root.

There's enough space and resources in this country for everyone. There ISN'T enough money, however, if we keep wasting it on war and corporate welfare. You got a beef with immigrants overstretching our budgets? Before you complain about them, complain about the much more wasteful war we are in and the wasteful corporate welfare we dole out. THEN, some of us on DU will be in a better mood to listen.

The hordes of illegals flowing over our borders and the millions already here are only helping one group -- rich CEOs from the 'killer corporations' you say started it all.

Why else do you think, on this issue that has most repigs up in arms, Chimpco is so quiet? Korporate Amerika is reaping obscene profits on the backs of these slave laborers, yet you not only condone it but, by your approval, become a willing enabler.

The labor market, already bulging with unskilled, undertrained US citizens made up of mostly minorities living at or below poverty level, cannot absorb hundreds of thousands more without suffering logical consequences, chief of which is the depression of wages caused by an overabundance of labor. An inflated labor market gives business no incentive to increase wages nor motivation to improve dismal working conditions.

Please save the racist rhetoric that illegals only take jobs Americans don't want. Tell that to the 300 people who applied for 12 McDonald's jobs in my city. Make no mistake about it -- the landscapers, maids and clerks working here illegally ARE taking jobs from fellow Americans.

Nearly 20% of American children live in poverty. A great portion of them have one or more working parents struggling daily to provide for them on wages NO ONE can live on -- citizen or no.

This is not to say I have no sympathy for our neighbors. However, their presence here right now only assures their continued exploitation and harms a large segment of our own population.

We need to get our own house in order before we throw out the welcome mat.

I'm not falling for your "we can't support them" tripe. That they are making it hard for legal Americans (whatever THAT is, since we ALL come from immigrants unless you are a Native American which I doubt, so it's high time you consider moving BACK to whatever stinkhole your immediate ancestors abandoned because we CAN'T AFFORD YOU). Fact is, exactly the opposite is true. Let me give you a small example.

Here locally where I live, many contractors are SCREAMING for decent help....let's take the plumbing industry (which I'm a member of) as an example. Building here is crazy, with new homes and construction going up faster than the eye can keep up with. A certain large contractor I know has been screaming.....yes, LITERALLY screaming for guys who are willing to do the job. That job happens to be what's called "roughing in", or basic new construction, which is very hard work and involves getting up on ladders and drilling holes in beams and joists with a large drill all day long in adverse weather conditions and dirt, and running the lines and waste. It's not easy work on many days even for the heartiest of men. He has gone through COUNTLESS people, all American kids who last on average of perhaps a month or until they get that first check or two. They inevitably quit because the work is too hard and they're basically just too lazy to get up at the crack of dawn and don those Carrharts and get to busting ass. The pay is good and so are the benefits (this contractor pays well and on time and offers full medical) so it's not the compensation. It's because most American kids are just too lazy and shiftless and spoiled to do it, period.

Then one day the owner of this company took a chance.....he needed guys desperately, and one day in walked this mexican guy who literally begged him for a job. He sneaked across the border in a truck, and was therefor undocumented. The owner decided to help the guy and see what he could do. Long story short and sweet, this Mexican has now been with the company for almost 10 years, he's got his documentation, he's a FULL FLEDGED highly skilled Journeyman Plumber and runs crews of over 20 guys and gets the job done with excellence and according to code. He now owns his own home (built it himself), and is considering opening his OWN contracting biz, thereby putting money right back into the very community that helped him and gave him his start. The home he built supplied jobs to other Americans, and soon his business will as well. He has been a responsible, productive and beneficial member of this community and society, when many other "Americans" were'nt willing to do so and were instead looking for an EASY way out.

And now you're going to sit there and tell me we can't afford to have this man here. Go tell it to someone who actually swallows your racist BS....like maybe Bennett perhaps.

I understand what you are saying, but it's an age old excuse for being against these people who are only trying to work and find a better life. The governmental policies of the last 4 administrations, Repub AND Dem, have both traitorously pushed for NAFTA, CAFTA and every other corrupt outsourcing scheme in existence, and it's the Fed-Guv I point my finger at squarely for the immigration "problem". IF these policies were'nt at the top of every admin's agendas, maybe those people would stand a fighting chance and make a go of it in their own countries. But as things stand, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, and I don't blame ANY "illegal" from wanting to come over here and benefit a little in their human search for a better life like YOUR ancestors did.

OK, now that said, I'll ask again when you plan on moving. Remember, the people who say the planet is overpopulated can always benefit it a little by killing themselves. Flawless logic, don't you think?

Your entire argument is based on anecdotal evidence and a rewording of the worn out saw "What's this new generation coming to?"

Bullshit.

Do you really hold your fellow citizens in such utter contempt that you think them incapable of hard work? Aside from the ignorant stereotyping such an assertion reveals, were that actually the case I'd submit that we're in a heap o'shit ... and not only from illegal immigrants.

Here's some logic for you: Try paying those plumber's helpers a LIVEABLE wage. It might strike a good company man like you as odd, but people who actually feel appreciated as opposed to exploited for the benefit of wealthy owners are much more inclined to give of their sweat and tears.

As far as racism, your company-line tripe is full of it. Illegal immigrants directly compete with those in our lower socio-economic classes, the greater portion of which are African-American and other minorities. I'm sure they appreciate your selfless willingness to give away their jobs. :eyes:

Why don't you educate yourself before you come here and spew RW talking points. Here's a few facts to get you started:

By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent.

• Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent.

• The 10 million native-born workers without a high school degree face the most competition from immigrants, as do the eight million younger natives with only a high school education and 12 million younger college graduates.

• The negative effect on native-born black and Hispanic workers is significantly larger than on whites because a much larger share of minorities are in direct competition with immigrants.

• The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back504.html

You accuse me of spewing RW talking points when it's your stance that is extremely right wing. "The immigrants are coming, the immigrants are coming, run for your lives" RW hysteria. That's why I said in a previous post that it must be EATING up the Minutebubbas alive that they mostly all voted for this corrupt administration.....twice. Don't tell me those guys are LW, cuz I'll start laughing my ass off.

Fact of the matter is, it is hard to find American kids willing to do such jobs. My so-called "anectdote" is true to the core and you know it. If it were'nt, that same scenario would not be played out over and over everyday across this country with countless other companies screaming to find good help.

Far as your "liveable wage" bullshit goes, I guess I'll have to repeat myself again.....as I said in my previous post, the contractor of the story DOES pay well, very well, and offers FULL comprehensive medical coverage. Not all do. So it's NOT the compensation genius. I'd say that offering over 20$/hour for a dumb 18 year old kid with no experience, and throwing in full training, a path to a journeyman's card to boot as well as medical is quite good actually. Tell me, what were YOU making at that age? It's not the compenastion, it's the lack of willing help available, period.

And now I'm a "company man" because I see no fault with that particular companiy's wages and hiring practices? (I don't work for them anyway). That man is "competing" with those in a "lower socio-economic class" (what communist doctrine did you pick THOSE big words up from?).....that is complete nonsense. That company is still yelling for hands, so I can't see how he is competing with anybody. Fact is, he got and kept his job through lots of hard work, and guess what? In the process of making the owners rich, he has ALSO made a success of HIMSELF....something you are most likely just jealous of perhaps. Since he has built his own home, started his own biz soon, and will be contributing BACK to his community in the form of more jobs, opportunities and commerce, I fail to see how he's making it harder on anybody except the sloth and lazy. Is he willing to do a little bit extra work for a little bit less pay than the average fat white boy? Sure. That's how he got successful, through a bit of self sacrifice and determination, something your "hand it all to me for nothing" attitude won't garner.

I applaud the man and I applaud the company for giving him a chance. They are both successful as a result, in the same way and fashion that this very NATION became a success....through the welcoming of the poor and downtrodden, offering them a glimmer of hope, and watching them BUILD this country with their bare hands while you sit and play keyboard jockey whining about how they are "competing" with you. This country was built by immigrants. My, how short our memories become once we become fat and happy off the sweat of others before us.

There is no competing for jobs, there are jobs for everyone willing to WORK. Period. Get off it.

If you want to lay blame for many of our economic and job loss problems, point your finger at the Wal-Martization of America and the wholesale giving away of our jobs to communist nations like CHINA and the corporate owned government white guys who are profiting grandeously from it.

And you expect anyone to take you seriously?

Go spread your ignorance elsewhere. If I want to talk to walls I have plenty at home and I can at least do something productive, like wash them, at the same time.

>plonk<

....and so now you resort to insults. Typical.

Oh, and if I wanted to talk to RW racist bigots with no clue or desire to know the REAL causes of our economic and job loss woes, I'd spend some quality time with Jim over at that fine website Free Repugnant.

That said, may I ask what it is YOU do for a living? Besides play keyboard jockey and whine on incessantly about how some hapless immigrant only looking for a better life is making YOUR life more difficult?

Why don't you just give it up and get off the computer and go on a Wal-Mart shopping spree again?

get your house in order?

Wanna avoid illegals? Have your government push for a legitimate international trade treaty that enshrines a living wage that will protect all workers basic rights to food, housing, and healthcare all across the world. I assure that if people could fashion out a good life in Mexico's poor areas, they wouldn't leave their treasured surroundings to come mingle with Minuteman Bubbas here.

Might that be a less hypocritical project if we held to the same standards in our own country?

We can't exactly point to our own efforts at "Enshrining a living wage."

Give just ONE real world example of how a single Mexican immigrant is making it harder for you to make a living. Can you do that for me?

Assuming, that is, you even work at all.

The living wage battle should be everywhere.

But, if the U.S. pushed for an international trade treaty that enshrined living wages, you wouldn't get the extreme exploitation that we see today, and you wouldn't see our companies leaving for cheaper wages.

Unfortunately, it's legislating a fundamental aspect of capitalism, which is that capital always searches for the cheapest labor available to maximize profits and wealth accumulation and the "efficiency" of the "realization" (making of a product) cycle of capitalism.

I'm even more convinced that capitalism has to go. It's basic logic is in conflict with mother earth's environmental requirements (she's telling us with Katrina and the Tsunami), and with economic right standards that conform to some sense of equality and fairness.

I had to respond to this guy, because I really get tired of that xenophobic mentality. If I could find a good job in my own country that would pay comfortably, I wouldn't be here (and I did try. I lived there for a year and couldn't find anything remotely close to the pay here).

You are partly right and partly very, very wrong.

Raw, unbridled capitalism is, of course, detrimental to many who are the cogs of it's wheels, it has it's inherent evils and is by no means the "ideal" political philosophy.

However, even most socialist states, including all of Western Europe, practise it, though to a lesser extent than the US does.

Communism, in the form and practise of Lenin at least, is doomed to failure and will be so anytime another attempt is made at it. Capitalism will always outlast it. And outperform it, and out-produce it, and out-militarize it. This is because of one simple but major and inexorable flaw in humans themselves....greed.

It's in all of us. It's in me....and yes, admit it or not, it's in you too. To some degree or extent lesser or greater than in others, but it's there, lurking underneath all that facade of morality and decency you pose during the day in front of others. It is built into us, it is deeply ingrained, it is primordial in nature and age and is part of our basic instincts of survival. You can't change it, you can't alter it, it's there in your face and it's all about human existence and the struggle for supremacy over your adversary and the ancient fight to keep food in your mouth.

Capitalism can last as long as it does because it appeals to this base instinct, no matter what "socio-economic" label the people under it belong to. Because whats yours is yours and whats mine is mine and if you catch me breaking into your house and stealing your stuff you will break my neck and visa versa. Dog eat dog. Welcome to the reality of human existence on this planet.

People like nice things. They like shiny things. Like wedding rings and automobiles. They also happen to like it when they can buy these things and POSSESS them. Like houses and land.

Capitalism also has it's good side, though much of it can easily be overshadowed by the bad. These would be the rewarding of personal positive traits such as industriousness, ongoing self-education, personal responsibility, ambition, desire to better one's life, and most importantly hard work and a work ethic. You simply cannot fail with those last two. You cannot also give the same fruits and rewards to those who do not wish to work for what they want as you do to those who are willing. It causes major and intense backlashes, including but not all viscious hatred and animosities for what a person or group of people could percieve as the plundering of their own hard work efforts for the benefit of others who don't. It can't happen. There will be revolts against it time and again. Unless of course you have a scenario like the farm collectivizations and the war against the "kulak" of Stalin's regime where these things were taken from hard working people at the point of a gun, in which case your utopian socialist government turns into a vile oppressor....in the name of the "common good".

I do not know what the answer is. Communism is a failure in practise if not in theory. So is socialism in most forms practised on the planet. The system that makes a woman/man free to choose their own destinies is the best. It needs fixing.

And there is a cure usually in these systems for the lack of a "livable wage". That would be education.

where all these darn Canadians came from! Even at my favorite Wal-Mart they now make announcements with "eh" interjected every so often. Disgusting. Why can't these people learn to speak English?

As a Canadian who just relocated back to Canada from Washington state i can only advise these idiots that they are wasting their time. We are all running north away from the border.

But, it is hard to tell an inbred red neck anything, their brain receptors aren't firing.

You think the Canadians are trying to get in? I don't think so. While I imagine that the Canadians have their own set of problems, I'm inclined to think that they're having a good look at the current administration as a demonstration of what happens when you mix church and state.

BTW, just brilliant.... turning the country into a paranoid armed camp.... I don't think that helps us any.

K.

Really! This is unbelievable!

n/t

By the way, some of these charmers were actually waving a Nazi flag during one of their demonstrations in Califronia recently.

I keep thinking of that guy in South Park who'd go "They tooook our joooobs!" when the ywere invaded by refugees from the future... Oh yeah, and "Blame Canada", of course...

Then again, maybe they are on the look out for that fearsome pirate, Tractor Jack...

If they want to patrol borders, without any pay, and play out their vigilante, semi-military fantasies, let em.

The moment they cross the line or abuse the law with immigrants rights, that will come out, and they'll be discredited, and they'll soon be opposed. Don't give em attention. They're wasting their time, not getting paid for it, and it's taking all the pseudo-military yahoos of this country and concentrating them in one place.

This couldn't be an issue about populations could it? Don't talk about it. Don't think about it. But in reality it most likely comes down to too many people. But that's a dead end road. Too late to talk about that. Too negative.
After all, we freely let people in for a long time. Why not now? It's not racism. Even if that's what people say.

I just hope it's not a precursor to civil war.

.....needs to have those pesky little words that are inscribed in it sandblasted off. You know the ones, those words that go something like "give me your weak, your tired, your poor.....

Sandbalsting copper deep enough to obliterate those words should'nt be that big a problem. I'd use medium grit sand with a large nozzle. I'm sure one of the Minutebubbas knows a good sandblaster among their good ole boy ranks. Then we can inscribe in it's place something really bigoted and obnoxious instead, like "only white boys allowed" or something to that effect.

Or hell, since we have succeeded in pissing off the entire world, including France, maybe we could just give it back and be done with it? We could erect a tall statue of King George and Cheney in it's place, complete with flight suit attire.

Good to have you here with us.

I had never thought about what you said. How perfect to have Bush in a flight suit. All macho. All full of shit. But just the way much of this country wants it. The anything-goes president.

I know- the plaque could say "No shoes, no shirt, no service.".

I'm really fighting to keep from blowing up. I was fortunate enough to have grown up in the San Francisco area. But I moved to a small town in Oregon, where logging and guns are big. The people are absolutely sickening. Just this weekend I confronted someone with a rifle who was causing a ruckus nextdoor. His response was to make more noise. No consideration. Bullies and idiots. After a year, I have my place on the market. I'm outta here! Thanks for listening. DU is a wonderful place.

small thinking individuals in Washington state, this item escaped my notice. Hell, the way things are going, the Canadians ought be guarding their side as some of us have thought about heading in that direction! :)

Have gotten me banned from several opinion sites such as this, including even Liberty Post, which has itself been turned into a free advertising blog for the group and it's bigoted members.

I have from the start considered this group a dangerous and creepy organization of armed thugs and vigilantes (one case in which I actually found myself in agreement with something King George said) who practise discrimination and bigotry at the point of a falg draped gun, forgetting that they are all themselves offspring of immigrants, after their ancestors crawled out from whatever european slimehole they escaped from and decided to abandon that country and come over here, same as they accuse Mexicans of doing. They claim that's OK though since their ancestors came over LEGALLY.....legally shmegally my foot, fact of the matter is they were in the right place at the right time and got over here after abandoning and giving up on their own nations. But the Minutemen will smugly sit around and accuse Mexicans of "abandoning their country" and claim they all should "stay put and try to better their lot in their own nation". Quite hypocritical. They don't put themselves in the poor Mexicans shoes, where they are faced with a life or death scenario and you make a choice to either cross a man-made border or watch your family starve. And DC, in conjunction with the Mexican ruling class, create that environment against the working poor not only there but here as well, yet all the Minutemen see are those baaaaddd evil Mexicans coming across, as they all pack the beer coolers and fat wives and bratty kids in the pick-em-up twuck and head down to play John Wayne.

These guys would do the country far more benefit if they realized where the true blame and problems lie......with their own government and it's policies of outsourcing and NAFTA/CAFTA. But I imagine what REALLY tweaks these yahoos out is the fact many of them voted for Dubya! Haha. Reap what you sow you fools.

They'd stand out too much around here close to the border in Eastern Washington anyway.
We have lots of new Border Patrol guys driving around in new rigs with 4 wheelers and boats and helicopters in the last 2 years, not to mention the "overflights" every hour or so from the high flying thermal imaging small jets that let them see ANY animal or vehicle within 20 miles of the border, updated every time they fly over again. Even the Forest Service notifies the Border Patrol when they send Brush Disposal crews into the woods close to the border.
Those Minutemen are only going to give them a bunch of false positives on their sensors close to the border, making more work for the BP.

Bruce

:shrug:

I would think it would be the other way around, personally.

:sarcasm:

Personally I agree with you....

Clearly a publicity stunt to "prove" they are not racist. I bet the guys who were told to patrol up there are migthy irked. Imagine, trying to stop white people when all the brown ones are streaming through down south! On the plus side, maybe they'll get a chance to rough up a few french speakers ...

with no benefits and health insurance are pouring over the border from Canada.

They don't have the guts to go straight to the places that hire illegal alliens and picket them. That would be too logical.

"
They don't have the guts to go straight to the places that hire illegal alliens and picket them. That would be too logical. "


I asked that same question, verbatim, to one of the self styled minutebubbas that infest Liberty Post's site.

The answer was, that would be illegal!

WWWhha hahahahahahahaaaaa

No drivers licenses for Canadians!

:silly:

Canadian officials agree that Minuteman-style groups would have no place north of the border.

"We certainly don't see any need for that kind of activity on the Canadian side. Our immigration officers are perfectly capable of ensuring people who come into Canada from the United States are probably vetted and if inappropriate aren't allowed in," said Alan Lennon, national union representative for the Canada Employment and Immigration Union.

http://www.macleans.ca/topstories/politics/news/shownews.jsp?content=n100223A

Well at least some are saying that they don't want the minutepeople on the north side of the border.

Might be a shock if they had to defend it from the north side with no guns. Well maybe they could have a sling shot.

As my mom (and author Jean Shepherd) would say.

The guarding of our borders is practically non-existent. Perhaps ten, fifteen years ago porous borders could be tolerated. But that situation can't be tolerated in a post 9/11 world. Issues of cheap labor/xenophobia/whatever notwithstanding, it would be foolhardy in the extreme to continue a situation where just about anybody can cross into the United States.

The Minutemen may be patrolling the borders for the wrong reasons, but they wouldn't be in existence if our government was doing the job its supposed to be doing.

Bottom line: the borders must be sealed to minimize the possibility of terrorists infiltrating the nation. If it isn't too late already.

Bottom line: the borders must be sealed to minimize the possibility of terrorists infiltrating the nation. If it isn't too late already.

I live 20 miles from the Canadian border, about 800 miles of glaciers and mountaintops with only a few river crossings and 3 road crossings (Haines, Skagway, Hyder). There is absolutely no way to "seal" a 100 mile long glacial icefield, or for that matter most of the border between WA and BC.

That's hardly "non-existent."

People who talk about "sealing the border" haven't a clue. As I said in an earlier post, please go take a look. I live in BC, and the border is hundreds of miles of mountains. Further east, in Alberta and Manitoba and Sasketechewan, it's a thousand miles of nothing, nobody there except maybe a farmer every 10 or 20 miles. It's a similar situation on the Mexican border.

What would you do? How about an electrified fence surrounding the poor, scared USA? How about an Iron Curtain? Do you want a Border Patrol agent every six feet the length of the border?

We need to regulate the border traffic, not try the mission impossible of shutting it down. Capital flows across borders, goods flow across borders, jobs flow across borders. Why should we expect (or hope) that people won't?

I don't think any of the 911 crew snuck into the USA. And how many terrorists disguised as Mexicans have we come up with? That's what I thought. This paranoid Fortress America crap does not serve us well.

doesn't mean it can't be done. It just means you're part of the "can't do" crowd, that's all. As for "shutting the border down", you might be referring to some other post; I never suggested that.

It would be ludicrous to dismiss the very real possibility of terrorists filtering in from either the north or south border. That it may not have occured in the past (but you don't know that, of course) is unimportant. That it could occur in the future is all that matters. But I'm not sure why your experience living on the Canadian-US border would make you any more knowledgable than anybody else concerning the Mexican--US border.

As for "paranoia": On Sept.10, 2001, what was your take on the idea of hijacked American airliners being flown into US landmarks?

What's your plan for "sealing the border"?

I suggested a couple of possibilities: An Iron Curtain, Border Patrol guys every six feet, etc.

It would be ludicrous to think that the only way terrorists would enter the US is by sneaking across the border. Gee, as I recall, all of the guys on the hijacked airliners came through US Customs.

I don't claim to "be more knowledgeable than anybody else" about the US-Mexican border. It's just that having lived near it in Texas for years and having crossed it dozens of times on trips back and forth from Mexico, I have some idea of the territory. How about you?

By the way, tens of millions of Mexicans and others have crossed those borders informally (I'm not going for that "illegal" bit). Can you name one who turned out to be an Islamic terrorist?

but they had to let him go because he was white and spoke English.
What a bunch of rednecks these minutemen are!

you forgot the rimshot/cymbal hit!

Good joke!

The article mentioned Williams was a retired Marine.

What about all the rest of them? Or are they on welfare? :sarcasm:

...outside the businesses that hire the immigrants?

If they did, it would appear less racist.

But if they did, they may actually have an impact on immigrants getting hired.

And they really don't want that because prices on commodities would skyrocket.

:rofl: That's the funniest thing I've heard yet!

"Better watch out fer them Canucks now, ya hear?

After all, ah heard they're all just dyin' to live down
here in our fiiiiiine country!!!

so if ya'll see one...... commence ta shootin'!"

:sarcasm:

:rofl:

They say they are fighting the war on terror but this has war on some drugs written all over it.

(At least the imported stuff is.....Guess the jokes on "US", eh?).

But I stopped long before I moved away.

to Americans at great profit margins, and use that money to buy munitions.

Hey, Reagan did it!

:rofl:

and help libruls with Project X.

Crap, they figured it out!