Pakistan Christian Girl Suffers Gang Rape For Faith

ISLAMABAD, PAKISTAN (BosNewsLife)-- A 12-year old Christian girl in Pakistan was recovering Sunday, October 2, after she was allegedly abducted and gang raped by 16 Muslim men last month for refusing to renounce her faith in Christ, the latest in a series of published sexual assaults against Christian women and girls.

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And, this country is our ally?

"an eye fo an eye". I Would castrate these bastards!

Pretty nasty viscious shit in there. While it does stop short of urging gang-rape there are worse things bible-god tells "his people" to do.

Julie

But I'm so glad that she stood steadfast and strong and would not renounce her faith in Christ.

What do you know about her being "steadfast" ? How credible is that part of the story ?

what if it was a rape because she was Christian and thus "considered fair game" ? it's awful enough. But the renoucing part ? 12 years old ? where is the independent inquiry ?

That line means that even in the face of assault, she did not waver and did not renounce her faith. That's what I mean by steadfastness.

that she was raped is probably true and must be condemned. But that "she didn't renounce her faith in Christ" sounds to me a bit too much "martyr" - specially since the source is obviously interested only in Xians and Jews, to be taken as anything else than a first hand report.

Why is it so hard to believe that she would not renounce her faith?

I personally don't find it hard to believe that she would not renounce her faith under such circumstances.

In fact, the Bible talks about just that. In the book of Revelation, the 5th seal deals with martyred souls..and how John sees the martyred souls under the alter...those people who were slain for the word of God. It says:

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 6:9-11

Why do you use the name 'Journalist' and think quoting a work of mythology is proving something? There have been tarradiddles about people refusing to 'renounce their faith in JC' forever. The creation of a young martyr is very valuable to those who would sow religious discord and, as such, should be rigorously investigated, not considered proved because of some poetic words from the ravings of a maniac.

:toast:

I believe in the entire Bible, and I believe it is a living and breathing document meant to serve as a guide for how we live our lives.

To believe that the recording of the tribal beliefs of an ancient people is the guidebook to one's own decisions is very sad. I am sure you have developed many coping methods to bridge the inevitable difficulties.

but as evidence it's only worth for those who believe in it. It hasn't UNIVERSAL value. Sorry to disappoint you.

Jeebus, I thought that the centuries of Enlightment started 250 years ago and among other things produced and guided the American Revolution.

However, it is obvious from reading the comments of those like Journalist that the Enlightenment did not reach every dark corner. Alas, we seem to be rushing headlong into a new Dark Ages.

This is a Christian site essentially looking for the suffering of Chrisitans in foreign lands. I don't buy this at all.

This is their byeline:

"Breaking the News for Compassionate Professionals"

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it's a book of faith. Period.

and if you take it so : Peter renounced Jesus three times. Big deal.
He got a promotion in the end.

I say that to show that in the Bible you can find what suits you, depending what you quote.

Any God who would find pleasure in a girl getting raped instead of lying would be a stupid and callous God. There might be occasion to stand steadfast in your faith, but in front of a bunch of worthless hoodlums isn't it.

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obviously your source has made an obvious selection

But, Mushie says there isn't rape in Pakistan.

aren't OTHER religions subject to persecution ? And there are probably FAR MORE young Muslim girls raped by Muslims in their own countries and by Xtians (including boys) in for example Iraq then Jewish and Xians raped by Muslims.

Should I remind you of what the Maronites Phalangists (Xtians) in Lebanon did to the Muslims there ? Or the orthodox Russians do in Chechenia or did in Afghanistan ?

I'm not looking for any excuses. But singling out a case and adding a "martyr" touch to it can only be considered as suspicious, however
true, sad, awful and condemnable the event can be.

i guess the sofa and karens trips didn`t impress anyone

Sounds a little like what we heard before Iraq.

WASHINGTON: In a stinging editorial that is part of an ongoing feud between the Pakistan government and the Washington Post, the US paper on Saturday slammed Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf for allegedly lying about the country's credentials on human rights. Entitled "Gen Musharraf's lies," the Post says the General's claim that his country was being portrayed unfairly on rape was incorrect.

"In fact, it (Pakistan) deserves such a reputation," says the paper that partly influences legislators and policymakers in the US capital, citing human rights groups that for years have reported annually on gang rapes and "honour killings", most of which go unpunished.

"So retrograde are Pakistan's laws that there are more than 1,500 women in prison as a result of rapes - they were prosecuted for adultery - while arrests of men occur in only about 15 per cent of reported cases," noted the Post.

Drawing attention to Musharraf's claims to champion a "moderate Islam that respects the rights of women," the paper cited the latest most publicised incident of Mukhtar Mai, a victim of a gang rape whose attackers were yet to be punished and who tried to visit the US earlier this year.

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Bush is going to Pakistan to meet with Mushie in a few months.

Don't "16 Muslim men" have better/other things to think about and/or do?

It's hard to imagine that large of a group singling out and abusing a 12 year old girl "because she's Christian".

We are supposed to believe that they are so fanatical about religion -- but if so, wouldn't they feel 'unclean' about touching a non-Muslim?

If it were prohibited it probably wouldn't have happened.

But Condi and W tell us they're alright. Chavez ,however, we just don't like.

Sounds like a Rove concoction to rile up Bush's conservative base against Muslims in order to prop up his weak poll numbers.

looking at such a crimes as religious in nature. Even if those involved express hate towards other religions it is still really about political power, land, or other more tangible things and religion is just the rallying cry to fire up the ignorant masses.

"BosNewsLife is an Internet news agency covering stories on Christians and Jews living in difficult circumstances for whatever reason, including persecution, as well as other hard hitting news stories from around the world"

For all I know that story was cooked up by Pat Robertson

to make a big deal about and attack Mushie, but if it happens to a Christian girl its a lie. This isn't about Muslim or Christian, this is about politics and power.

to rape one kind of girl anymore than any other.

I merely point out the source of the story and suggest that it could be disinformation.

and nobody denies it but "the renouncement of Jesus" story is a bit too much. It is worth this story printed in Pakistan :

http://pakistantimes.net/2004/11/24/kashmir3.htm

that time it's Indians.... (how convenient :sarcasm:).

Discussing/condemning rape for religious matters of whatever confession is one thing - it's assessed by plenty of independent media, but singling out a story from a probably biased source is another.

their other headlines and "newsitems" as BosNewsLife.com. This ia all about Xtianity vs Muslims.

BosNewsLife IS THE SOURCE OF THE NEWS???

and then shot in the backs of their heads.

This website is obviously promoting an agenda. As a former fundie, I was raised on fear stories like this, and told to expect to be raped and tortured by "nonbelievers" who would try to make me renounce my faith in Christ in the "end times."

Please don't fall for this crap. There are enough real crimes against women going on. This story is obviously designed to incite rage against Muslims.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-9-2005_pg7_14

but the part of "renouncing" isn't verified independently what I Know of. There comes in the fundie spin you quote.

And even if it was so it doesn't change anything to the fundamental problem of violence against women of whatever confession they are.

One thing is sure : the spin is aimed to point out Muslims in general as evil, by definition.

Those posters here who want to pretend that this particular report must be a lie because it is reported by a news agency particularly concerned with the treatment of non-Muslim minorities are fooling themselves. Abuse of minorities is not something that only white Anglo-Saxons are capable of doing. And it is as awful for a Muslim to abuse a Christian, for a Japanese to maltreat a Korean, for a Brahmin to debase an "untouchable," as it is for a white American to do the same to a black American. And one of the on-going themes in bigotry is the willingness of those in power to use rape as a weapon. Don't pretend it doesn't happen and that it isn't important. It does happen and it should be viewed with seriousness everywhere and every time it happens.

Pakistan has had a reputation of tolerance, even support, for the use of rape as a weapon of sexism, classism, tribalism, and religious repression. It is rape sanctioned by the state and the dominant society. It is the equivalent of lynching, aimed at women, in which retributive justice demands only a victim, a scapegoat, not a malefactor or culprit of alleged crimes. Pakistan isn't the only country with this particularly nasty form of vigilantism, but it is our "ally." Frankly, I would rather we did without such allies.

It's often even sicker than that Pop.

In Waziristan there's a tradition that if one man harms a man of a different tribe, the elders will get together and work out a suitable punishment for the offending man so the tribes will not go to war.

A suitable punishment is often the offending man's daughter should be raped by the relatives of the man who was offended.

The elders agree, everyone's honor is intact and both tribes go home appeased.

The girl doesn't matter and isn't even thought of in the adjudication of the dispute.

Of course sometimes rape is not enough to restore a family's honor, so an honor killing of a woman is needed.

The details are somewhat different - not mention of number of men or the whole "renounce Jesus" angle. I don't know how mainstream most people consider this source.

If this happened in Iran the right wing echo chamber would be hammering away at it 24 hours a day.

but with the same Daily Times source

the Amnesty Report
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA330071997?open&of=ENG-392

indicates that the event or other similar events are not unlikely or are already reported.

it's the spin "didn't renounce her faith in Christ" that I primarily commented.

BosNewsLife is one of the most biased sources around on news from the "Islamic World". Here is the "motto" at the top of their website:

"BosNewsLife is an Internet news agency covering stories on Christians and Jews living in difficult circumstances for whatever reason, including persecution, as well as other hard hitting news stories from around the world"



Here I lived in the Middle East for years. I know very well the biases that exist there. I also know very well the biases that exist among Western Christians and how cleverly certain minorities in predominently Muslim countries manipulate those biases.

I could believe this - as horrific as it is - if the number of perpetrators was 2 or 3 or even 6. But 16? No. I don't believe this. There are fanatics in Pakistan - and in other "Muslim" countries. Just as there are fanatics - of all religious backgrounds - here.

I do not believe that 16 men who call themselves religious Muslims would have participated in such a vile - and blasphemous by their own religious teachings - event. Period.

Got to see more evidence. Otherwise this seems inflammatory, bigoted and unproductive.

I do not believe that 16 men who call themselves religious Muslims would have participated in such a vile - and blasphemous by their own religious teachings - event. Period.

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As far as I am conserned they were likely using religion as an excuse to do what they already wanted to do.

Even if this story isn't "true" there are plently of acts rape from every country and every culture of girls and women to go around. As far as "not renoucing her faith in christ" The reason that sounds like bullshit to me is these men had an agenda--rape. What's a 12 years old going to say to a bunch of aroused--and-- I'm assuming older men, that's going to stop them? "Allah is my God, I'm sorry?" You can color it anyway you like. This is like the stories of Muslim women raped to destroy their self worth and societal standing. Rape is rape. It's an act of violence that runs much deeper than anybody's politics. It's pervasive in almost every society. It is used as a political tool, but what is always at the forefront is an henious act of RAPE. Political agendas, religious beliefs,--whatever-- take a back seat. I never lose sight of that. Ever.

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