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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:52 PM
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DeLay conspiracy charge uses uncommon law (New GJ heard new evidence)


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DeLay defense attorney Dick DeGuerin believes the new indictment replaces the first. But District Attorney Ronnie Earle, in a statement released Tuesday, said prosecutors would press ahead with all three charges, and the final decision would be resolved by a judge.

Earle's office said prosecutors found new evidence over the weekend and presented it to the grand jury on Monday, leading to the new indictment against DeLay. Earle did not release any details about the new evidence.

The previous grand jury had declined to indict DeLay on the additional allegations, the statement said.

"Out of an abundance of caution because of the passage of time, the district attorney's office presented some evidence of those allegations to another grand jury. That grand jury declined to indict on the last day of its regular term," on Sept. 28, the statement said.

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http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/12817568.htm
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:55 PM
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1. Do you think the new evidence might be that
Delay basically admitted to doing what he did in all of his tv appearances?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:57 PM
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2. His lawyer has never once said he's innocent, he said that too much time
has gone by on the 2002 money thing.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:59 PM
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4. yep, that's what they both said. Good bye Mr. Hammer, with
help he'll be in the slammer soon!.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 07:58 PM
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3. this is what his lawyer said
In their court papers Monday, defense lawyers argued that the conspiracy laws did not apply to the 2002 election violations cited in the original indictment and that the charges should be dismissed before they did any more political damage to Mr. DeLay.


His lawyer isn't saying he didn't do it, just that the law doesn't apply to a crime from that date.
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:18 PM
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5. Oh, the old "Sure my client is a corrupt piece of shit, sure he'd sell his
soul to go on a lobbyist funded golf outing, but you're gonna have to find more recent corruption" defense:grr:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:25 PM
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6. I'm wondering if there are any
Edited on Tue Oct-04-05 08:47 PM by zidzi
whistle blowers in the delay inner snake pit?

edit~grammer
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 08:40 PM
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7. I'm not sure, but I think delay probably said something in his
haste to refute the charge and it doesn't jibe with what someone else said. Just a theory.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-04-05 09:27 PM
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8. Or, someone else panicked when they saw him actually get incited
It could be a case of someone else deciding their freedom was worth more to them than DeLay's.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 12:02 AM
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9. The Money Laundering Charge Implies They Found a Paper Trail
The Grand Jury returned the indictment almost instantaneously. The prosecutor must have had something pretty concrete to show them.
It could only be a paper trail, and there's no way Delay can lawyer his way out of that one.

It would take a pardon from the ** to spring him.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:19 AM
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10. Will * give him one??
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OldCurmudgeon Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:43 AM
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11. since it's a STATE charge
since it's a STATE charge, * can't do a thing about it!

Perry might be able to, but he's more constrained by TX law...there probably has to be a conviction first (= political death), then the pardon's board has to rule, etc. etc.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 05:08 PM
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14. Seems to me Bush has a crony somewhere who can get Delay off...
* seems to have a lot of pals more than happy to do some favors.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 10:08 AM
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13. You're correct
It had to be solid evidence or they wouldn't have been so quick to indict him.

My attorney knows Mr Earle and they feel he's the kind of person who won't get burned twice (as in the Hutchinson case). They said they expect to see a solid case brought against DeLay.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 06:49 AM
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12. Last night on TV
they interviewed the Jury Foreman and he said that the Grand Jury had invited Delay to come talk to them numerous times but he refused to do it under oath. Seems Tommy has much to hide.

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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-05-05 07:59 PM
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15. Well, he won't have that luxury at the trial, will he?
He's got to sit down and swear to the big bug-god in the sky to tell the whole and nothing-but-the-truth. Of course, he can always plead the fifth...
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