Security fears as flu virus that killed 50 million is recreated-Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,3605,1585977,00.html

Security fears as flu virus that killed 50 million is recreated
Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday October 6, 2005
The Guardian

Undisclosed quantities of the virus are being held in a high-security government laboratory in Atlanta, Georgia, after a nine-year effort to rebuild the agent that swept the globe in record time and claimed the lives of an estimated 50 million people.

The genetic sequence is also being made available to scientists online, a move which some fear adds a further risk of the virus being created in other labs....

...The government and military researchers who reconstructed the virus say their work has already provided invaluable insight into its unique genetic make-up and helps explain its lethality. But other researchers warned yesterday the that virus could escape from the laboratory. "This will raise clear questions among some as to whether they have really created a biological weapon," said Professor Ronald Atlas at the centre for deterrence of biowarfare and bioterrorism at the University of Louisville in Kentucky.

Publication of the work and the filing of the virus's genetic make-up to an online database followed an emergency meeting last week by the US National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity, which concluded that the benefits of publishing the work outweighed the risks. Many scientists remained sceptical. "Once the genetic sequence is publicly available, there's a theoretical risk that any molecular biologist with sufficient knowledge could recreate this virus," said Dr John Wood, a virologist at the National Institute for Biological Standards and Control in Potters Bar.

so we all have some immunity to it, and it could never cause a pandemic again. It's the new stuff like H5N1 we have to worry about: brand new antigens that NONE of us have ANY immunity to.

we need to be worried about. The descendants of 1918 flu have been circulating among humans for nearly 100 years, so we all have some degree of immunity to it and a 1918 pandemic scenario with that virus cannot reoccur.

Trust me, the Avian Flu in Asia right now is the one to be concerned about.

Yes, I know my germs, and have the degrees to prove it.

needed the actual virus to do so. I understand this, but I sure hope they are right about it being no longer a threat to us.

You could do it faster????

are recreating the 1918 virus, what else are we making. And who is killing so many microbiologists?
http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

All around the country. Occasionally you'll hear about a lab being evacuated and they can't account for all of the vials, etc. That happened in NOLA i believe.

facility. Please correct me if I am wrong. I would like to know. We are fighting the building of a level four Bio-terror lab here in Boston and I was watching the NOLA situation. I thought that I remembered that they waded in and found that all the vials were safe...but where did the tularemia come from that showed up at the mall? I remember that it wes tularemia that "escaped" from the level 2 lab in Boston.Let me know...thanks.

were still looking for a couple of them

Once they create what the govt wants or find out the answers the govt is looking for, are they then disposable? Or are they about to go public with info the govt doesn't want us to know? Really does get you thinking!

Found this from Lori Price, updated on 10/5/05:

"Right, and Bush will announce that bird flu has 'arrived on US soil' (actually, it's already sitting in a US bio-weapons lab) on the day the Plame investigation concludes."

http://legitgov.org/flu_oddities.html

And on that same page:

Very strange bird flu" or is bird flu - American bio-weapon? By Vladimir Ivanov 22 Aug 2005 "In view of all this the fact of unexpected even for US allies refusal in 2001 by the administration of George Bush to sign the draft of new multilateral agreement on toughening the prohibition of bacteriological weapons, already signed by 140 countries, must not be ignored. And in 2002 the group of prominent scientists-microbiologists of the USA and England publicly accused authorities of the USA of development of the new generation bacteriological weapons, in particular special cluster bombs which represents a gross violation of international agreements."

{snip}

In the opinion of some experts, proceeding from available facts and the general orientation of the American policy, today there is a probability of using bacteriological weapons by the USA with the subsequent attempts to shift the responsibility on other countries or international terrorists.


http://www.inforos.com/?id=7869

where they refer to such weaponry as-
"a politically useful tool..."
Yeah, and so were the small pox blankets they gave to the Native
Americans...
BHN

Here's a fun little link about how the avian flu can be used as a bioweapon. http://www.recombinomics.com/News/02230501/Pandemic_Bioweapon.html. Apparantly the flu can be manipulated into a more dangerous version to humans, and it would never be clear if it was a bioweapon or if the virus just mutated. Not that they're going to do that. I think. (But why does Bush keep talking about it?)

NOT!!!

I'll tell you why they keep talking about it-
Cheney commissioned a report some years
ago, a perspective on global population
versus available resources in the year 2020. I believe
was the target date anyway. Sometime in the near
future- perhaps 2050.

I used to laugh at peope who postulated about
a conspiracy to depopulate the planet by
two-thirds.

I'm not laughing anymore.

As we have seen, these global elites are completely without
moral conscience- it is all strictly a business decision to them.

If the numbers say that the earth can not sustain the growing
population, the business minded men of the world say,
downsize the demand to meet the supply.

They know what's coming and are going to do what
it takes to take care of their own.

This is unfortunate news for the rest of us.

BHN
Forgot to add:
:scared:

Yep, that's me, just here to make people's day a little brighter. I used to scoff too at theories that some sort of secret cabal was running the country, or that Bush was actually evil. But I'm starting to believe it. Cheney actually planning to kill off 2/3 of the earth still sounds pretty extreme to me, though. But just give me a couple weeks.... I'm still sort of shocked about all the things I've learned about this group, and at this point am almost prepared to believe anything.

I mean really... HOW sad is it that we would even
be willing to consider it?

By the way- I forgot to tell you...

WELCOME TO DU!

BHN

...population thinned and I would imagine they've looked at different depopulation schemes. Avian flu seems made to order. This sounds like so much conspiracy, nut case BS and I would've been quick to dismiss it ten years ago. Not today. The question is: What wouldn't Bushco do if they thought they could get away with it? They have immense power and resources and zero conscience. You tell me what they wouldn't do.

That would terrify me more than having the flu - as soon as I heard that I knew that the quarantined would have no chance. They don't want to cure it - they just want to "contain" it. Yeah, right.

Why is he going on & on about the military? Is this the first option that would occur to you if there were a possible health risk from a disease? Bush gave a whole press conference about the avian flu to support his plan for military quarantines - but he didn't mention vaccines, treatment options, medical research in the area. Just the martial law. And all this for a bird flu that hasn't even entered the country, hasn't hurt a single American, and isn't even transferable within human populations. I'm suspicious. Scared & suspicious. :scared:

ETA: Bush's reading material in Crawford this summer? "The Great Flu Pandemic" about the 1918 flu epidemic. Right...because Bush has always had such a burning interest in history & microbiology. He was also reading about the life of the czars, perhaps preparing for his own reign. (I'm only 50% sarcastic here).

August Mother Jones article - "I think it's also important for me to go on with my life" has been his response to the building pressure -- and to prove it, we're told, he's settled in with three good books: Mark Kurlansky's history of salt, John Barry's tale of the great flu pandemic of 1918, and... hmmm... Edvard Radzinsky's upcoming Alexander II: The Last Great Tsar." http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/08/reading_list.html

And don't forget Libby's letter to Judith Miller in September promising she will have stories to write this fall about "biological threats".

I really, really hope I'm just being paranoid here - does anyone think this is plausible, or way out of line? All opinions are welcome!

The scariest part of this is that the US has sought to recreate the flu and now can manufacture stocks of it. We already know that the US will stop at nothing to promote its full spectrum dominance, that humanity and international law will not be allowed to thwart its ambition. Not because of the PNAC document but because of what has happened in the past. The US is planning to use nuclear weapons, and now it has this in its arsenal. With God on its side, of course it will be prepared to use it to protect "the American way". That is the American way.

In who's interest?
What's the motive behind recreating the virus?
Methinks it might have something to do with
ridding the planet of "useless eaters" as they refer
to us among themselves.
BHN

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