Anthrax Investigation Grows Old

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/05/eveningnews/main917143.shtml

Anthrax Investigation Grows Old

WASHINGTON, Oct. 5, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (CBS)

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"We have a situation where there is no smoking gun per se. There is no link, no direct link between the person and the event and the material used."

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Randall Murch, Former FBI Lab Manager

(CBS) Four years have passed since the anthrax attacks, reports CBS News correspondent Jim Stewart, but despite what it calls the biggest investigation of all time, the FBI has no solution, and admits it could happen again.

It was the simplicity of it all that was so scary. Someone drops a letter in the mail, it disappears into the system, and there mingles with millions of others to spread its deadly spores. Five people died. Twenty-two were contaminated.

Anyone could get it, from well-known newsmen and politicians to elderly retirees. Anthrax didn't discriminate, and as we soon learned...the same person was behind it all.

"The tests to date have concluded that the strains are indistinguishable," Tom Ridge said Oct. 19, 2001.

"Should we be concerned about anthrax attacks in the future? Yes, we should," said FBI director Robert Mueller.

It's become a frustrating global quest for the bureau. Agents have fanned out over Asia and Africa in recent months. In the valleys of Afghanistan they heard someone had hidden the anthrax they sought. It wasn't there.

Earlier they drained a pond closer to home. Nothing. After 53,000 tips, and 5,000 subpoenas — zero.

Randall Murch, a former FBI lab manager, sympathizes.

"We have a situation where there is no smoking gun per se. There is no link, no direct link between the person and the event and the material used."

So, increasingly, the bureau likens this case to another that perplexed them. It took them 17 years to finally flush a disheveled Ted Kazynski out of the mountains and expose him as the Unabomber, they remind, but in the end they always get their man.

And what about this case? The answer is always the same:

"To the best of my knowledge. There are no suspects, no significant leads," said Murch.

And privately, FBI officials concede the chances for an arrest are getting slimmer by the day.

How they can trace the strain of what was sent to an exact location and lab but can't figure out from a limited pool of people who would have access to it, who did it.

why they are wasting time and money on porn when these murderers are still at large?

"dr" hatfill -- it was later discovered his doctorate was fake -- was caught having sex w. his girlfriend in a secure area

he was supposed to be cleared for marburg/ebola yet it's clear he was able to get into the anthrax area also & he gave talks on how to spread anthrax by mail & he wrote a book in the late 1990s abt usingf anthrax attacks on usa congress

apparently the fbi would have us believe that there are just tons of ppl like this, other than hatfill, who could have also had unauthorized access to this strain of anthrax & had this demonstrated knowledge of how to spread it w.out harm to self


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if you have no eyewitness, then you have to solve the crime based on circumstantial and physical evidence, of which they have more than enough to implicate hatfill, i really don't understand the foot-dragging on this one

It doesn't seem so strange to me.

Someone involved in the investigation knows exactly who it was, and knows exactly what evidence must not be seen to keep that person from being discovered.

Someone is targetting * opponants (Dem senators, journalists) and the * appointed AG will not rest until the culprit is brought to justice.

Right.

and within a year they've got a black guy on death row for the crime even though there were no witnesses and the murder weapon is never found, but you can have a series of letters mailed to liberal politicians and media personnel containing a specialized military-grade poison that can only be produced under careful lab conditions and they can't find them with the most sophisticated, advanced investigation in history?

I mean, the political profile combined with the expertise combined with the access to the materials should limit the search to a dozen or so right off the bat, and that's probably being generous. They've sentenced black people to death for less connection to a crime in Texas.

They can't find an arab to pin this on. Its either an Israeli or Xtian nutcase who did it, it was an inside job like 911 was.

http://www.thecodewarrior.com/

Anthrax was definitely a Bush supporter. Each of th eletters targeted a Bush opponent, including just enough senators to turn control of the Senate back to the Republicans.

It wasn't anything to do with Israel. The National Enquirer editor was a personal enemy of Bush's. No nation had any reason to target him.

My only question is whether someone connected to Bush did it, or whether it was a lone wacko supporter. Either way, the anthrax was military grade and not something whipped together in a garage. Not many people had access.

damned stuff was made in the US. This has got to be a coverup! I do not trust our "leaders" at all anymore.

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If so, it stinks to high heaven.

magazine that had published embarrassing pictures of Jenna, and to two US Senators. Both Democrats. Tom Daschle I believe had a Democratic governor, so he would have been replaced by a Dem. Patrick Leahy had a Repub governor, and his replacement would have shifted control of the Senate back to the Republicans.

That wasn't fussed about much in the press, for obvious reasons. Rule number one in the media: never speak ill of fellow Republicans.

if you're a well-connected white guy w. friends in the CIA, suddenly circumstantial evidence is not good enough

come on, it's obvious who did it, what is not so obvious is why they won't allow the feds to make the arrest

ppl have been executed on WAY less evidence than this

did you know that hatfill has never even been brought to trial for perjury, for the forged documents he used to gain access to jobs w. classified materials such as ebola virus?

One thing I remember learning about sociopathic nutcases is that they are usually compelled to repeat the crime. Strangely, that hasn't happened in this case.

My suspicion is further increased now that we have learned of the Sunshine Project. It turns out that America has restarted its chemical and biological weapons research. Thankfully, after all efforts to avoid disclosure through the Freedom of Information Act are exhausted, the federal government tells us it's non-lethal research.

It's also worth noting that the anthrax sent to Senators Daschle and Leahy (while the USA Patriot Act was being debated) was a much improved version of the Ames strain anthrax sent to news outlets three weeks previously.

Why, it's almost as if some librul media hatin' redneck was intercepted in the midst of his operation and uh, "re-focused" toward achieving a political result which was highly beneficial to the Bush Administration.

But to believe that, you'd have to believe the people in charge are willing to murder Americans to achieve their goals. Which reminds me... did you know that the September 11 terrorists paid a visit to Jack Abramoff's boat the week before the attacks?

That anthrax was made in Imperial Amerika at the CIA Labs at Ft. Detrick.

Targets were enemies of the Bush Admintsration exculsively.

Nope. No leads there. Couldn't imagine who could have done it.

Mission Accomplished, sez' the Busheviks.

you can fool some of the people some of the time....

"That anthrax was made in Imperial Amerika at the CIA Labs at Ft. Detrick."

Detrick and Hatfill have always been a smokescreen. No dry spores have been made at Detrick since the 60's. The stuff was made somewhere else and very possibly in the US. Dugway, Battelle or Edgewood are the prime US candidates. But it was made with Russian expertise. The blueprint is Russian. See this 1998 article:


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http://cryptome.org/bioweap.htm

The Alibekov anthrax became fully operational in 1989. It is an amber-gray powder, finer than bath talc, with smooth, creamy particles that tend to fly apart and vanish in the air, becoming invisible and drifting for miles. The Alibekov anthrax is four times more efficient than the standard product.

I asked him if he'd tell me the formula for his anthrax.

"I can't say this," he answered.

"I won't publish it. I'm just curious," I said.

"Look, you must understand, this is unbelievably serious. You can't publish this formula," he said. When I assured him I wouldn't, he told me the formula for the Alibekov anthrax. He uttered just one sentence. The Alibekov anthrax is simple, and the formula is somewhat surprising, not quite what you'd expect. Two unrelated materials are mixed with pure powdered anthrax spores. It took a lot of research and testing to get the trick right, and Alibek must have driven his research group hard and skillfully to arrive at it. "There are many countries that would like to know how to do this." he said.
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What do you think these two unrelated materials were?

It turns out the senate material also contained two unrelated materials: http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/anthrax-powder.htm

What was Alibek's first job after he defected? He was working at Battelle where they reverse engineered the Soviet BW tricks.

began in apartheid South Africa. My own tinfoil hat is emblazoned with the fact that at the same time he was working on these for the US, one of the biggest marburg epidemics recorded struck Democratic Republic of the Congo...originating in a gold mine which rebels had taken from Barrick Gold, who happened to have Poppy Bush on their board of directors.

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thanks in advance for your cooperation.

The IT Group

http://www.itsup.com/corporate.htm
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=ITX&Script=400&layout=-6&item_id=240014 - news releases from The IT Group


a few more corporate websites for carlyle


United Defense Industries- The largest United States defense contractor to the Army

http://www.uniteddefense.com/
http://www.udlp.com/pr/prs_2004.htm - press releases


U.S. Investigative Services - USIS - Largest Background investigator in the United States - also handles airline security

http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/usia/abtusia/abtusia.htm
http://www.usis.com/Faq.htm -background checks
http://www.govexec.com/features/0603/0603s2.htm - gov security clearances


Qintetig - British intelligence agency - privitzed by tony blair and contract given to carlyle (Blair was on their board of advisors)

http://www.qinetiq.com/home/about_qinetiq.html
http://www.qinetiq.com/home/newsroom/news_releases_homepage.html -qinetiq also handles airline security

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I see ALL of these links are all bad now or benign. Everyone had pertinent and different information when I collected them 11 months ago. Scary.

they have closed up shop in the last 11 months.

The IT group cleaned up anthrax. BTW the security company monitioring the WTC when it was attacked was also a subsidary of the carlyle group.

When Bush tried to privatize the CIA he was going for the Carlyle group Us investigative services for the contract. It's parallel to Tony blair disabling the British intelligence agency and giving that contract to Carlyle too.

See a pattern here.

I've posted this theory before. It is my own theory, I am telling you up front. But it makes the most sense of anything I've seen, and it explains A LOT in terms of Daschle turning into a Bush apologist like so many others.

The attack occurred on the Hart Senate Office Building, the home of democratic senators. Now, when the "attack" occurred, everybody was told to run for their lives. They did.

When they ran, they left everything behind. They left computers running, they left offices and file cabinets unlocked. They left their personal effects in their desks. And who did the clean-up, you say? Carlyle?

Hmmm.

So, these guys probably didn't think, when they left, that they wouldn't be coming back for six weeks, they just high-tailed it out, and Carlyle high-tailed it in. With unfettered access to EVERYTHING in that building for six weeks. The pornos tucked under the sofas. The Polaroids of the hookers. The bottle of liquor in the sober bible-thumper's office. The memos about secret deals. Notes about strategy sessions. The books, and the second set of secret books. EVERYTHING.

And BushCo got it all. They got the dirt on most every democratic Senator in Washington. Look how many of them turned into instant jellyfish. And are still slithering along in the muck at the bottom. They probably found a Honey Baked Ham in Joe Lieberman's file cabinet!

This was an absolutely brilliant first chess move on BushCo's part, and it worked wonders. Even without 9/11, they had every Senator bending over backward to kiss their nut sack and go along with anything BushCo wanted. Six weeks of unfettered access to every Senator's office.

Think about...think about your own private work space, and if you had to leave at a moment's notice. Hmm. The bookmarks on your computer...the issues of Barely Legal at the back of your file cabinet.

Think about it. Just think about it.

Hmmm.

of the Bushevik Judiciary Memo Thieves (remember, they stole hundred of Democratic Memos from the computers).

One day, just as the investigation was heating up...another Phony Anthrax Scare emptied the building.

Suddenly...silence.

Yes, I absolutely agree with your assessment of the situation.

So yes, it was open to abuse. Anyone who got a letter was open to abuse. I bet that could be the root of why the were sent.

only because they want it to be old and dead.

this was from a army weapons lab at fort detrick, sent to democrats and opponents of bush in the media. they will investigate porn over the anthrax. Giuliani made a nice profit cleaning it up, in fact i think it cost more to clean it than to destroy the building and build a new one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks

Giuliani Co. Cleaning Up Anthrax
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/10/national/main628671.shtml

Maximum 4-5 paragraphs.

Thanks

http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=ITX&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=229212

This link still works - saying the it group did anthrax support. When I first tracked the It group it was because they did the antrhax clean up. That link is bad now.

now it says
"PITTSBURGH, Nov. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- The IT Group, Inc. (NYSE: ITX), through its wholly owned subsidiary IT Corporation (IT), "

before it was a subsidary of Caryle.

I clicked on the IT groups officers and it goes to
http://www.shawgrp.com/ - The shaw group

"Shaw Group will assist FEMA and other governmental agencies in recovery efforts in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina."

Give me a minute, I bet I can link it back to carlyle where as the IT group it was originally listed as a subsidary.

..you see Carlyle and the IT group in 1090 links.


some links saying Carlyle owned the IT group.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:XQ57SPN2KXEJ:www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Corporations/Carlyle_Group.html+%22it+group%22+carlyle&hl=en

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:7g1fo_MR0REJ:isuisse.ifrance.com/stopcarlyle/carlyle_empire.htm+%22it+group%22+carlyle&hl=en

http://www.culturechange.org/CarlyleEmpire.html

http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/briodyinterview.html

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BTW, I originally found out Carlyle owned the IT group by carlyle's web page. It was removed. And The IT group is apparently now the Shaw Group via their website links.

including people linking them to anthrax and defense.

This one is particularly interesting. Just because it shows both and their ranking as defense contractors.

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:2_3sERtVqzIJ:www.globalsecurity.org/military/industry/top100.htm+%22shaw+group%22+carlyle&hl=en

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051006/us_nm/hurricanes_contractors_dc

Guess who's listed, Taa Daa... The shaw group.

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11243

From Corpwatch. Read to last half and end of article.

This, makes me sick.