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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:53 PM
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Air Force Sued Over Religion
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/06/national/main919947.shtml

(AP) A New Mexico man sued the Air Force on Thursday, claiming Air Force Academy senior officers and cadets illegally imposed Christianity on others at the school.

The suit was filed in federal court by Mikey Weinstein, an academy graduate and outspoken critic of the school's handling of religion.

Over the past decade or more, the suit claims, academy leaders have fostered an environment of religious intolerance at the Colorado school, in violation of the First Amendment.

Weinstein claims that evangelical Christians at the school have coerced attendance at religious services and prayers at official events, among other things.


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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:55 PM
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1. Yeah for him! :) nt
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:57 PM
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2. I think the Air Force Academy has been infiltrated.
They're arrogant, right-wingers, for the most part.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 05:57 PM
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3. This must be a very courageous person, to go against something
as popular as the Air Force Academy. That's a huge step!!
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:18 PM
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4. An AF grad was shocked at his son's experience there
There was a tv segment on this some months ago in conjunction with the Lutheran chaplain who left the Academy.

A Jewish man who was very proud of his AF service and his AF Academy education was pleased to encourage his son to attend as well. He was shocked when his son confessed he was very close to decking the next classmate who told him that he, as a Jew, was a Christ-killer and destined for eternal damnation. The atmosphere had changed that much.

We all know Bush believes he's on a mission from God, and has promoted generals who agree with him and gotten rid of those who disagree. This AF thing is of a piece with everything else Bush has done. He talks religion and because he uses the same words the mainstream uses they think his god is the same as theirs. Not so. Bush's god is one mean, nasty, vindictive, s.o.b.

But we already knew this.

Hekate
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 09:09 AM
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11. Did you read about their fundie football coach and Bobby Swaggert Bowden?
This summer there was a USAFA football player that complained because the football coach, Fisher DeBerry, a fundie, put all kind of Christian religious signs up in the locker room. Things like.... "We win through Christ, etc...." One of the players complained. I think academy officials either made him remove the signs or was considering it. Bobby Swaggert Bowden, the right-wing, fundie coach at Florida State, goes out there and bitches that it's shame that Christians are allowed to be discriminated against in The US.

BTW, Swaggert-Bowden stated in his book he could never hire an assistant or anyone who hasn't accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior....... So no Jews should apply at FSU.

Un-friggin' real. Especially on the heals of all the sexual assaults that have been reported there for the last 5 years or so.

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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 11:02 AM
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12. The sexual assaults and the fundamentalism go hand in hand IMO
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 08:37 PM
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5. I remember Chuck Assay (Right Winger, Colorado Springs) did a comic
it showed a man and his son driving up, past multiple signs proclaiming welcome to all sorts of faith groups. At the entrance, a sign said "no evangelicals." If this is the way that "evangelicals" behave, then I hope it will turn out like Mr. Assay thought it would.
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pfitz59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 09:26 PM
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6. Congressmen make service academy appointments....
Just look at Brownbeck, Sanctorectum et al, and you'll know the sort of cretins they've been sending to ALL the military academies! I was in the service and know about this personally. We called them "home-schoolers", "snake-handlers' and "speaking-in-tongues bastards". The whole lot are insufferable, left-behind fundie pricks! Scary thing is, they control the nukes, and the sock-puppet in the White House! My opinion is they want to hasten the apocalypse.....
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MildyRules Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 06:33 AM
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9. You have no effing idea
what you are talking about.

Nice generalization there.
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 10:29 PM
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7. Insanity rules now
Our country is in the grip of religiously insane radicals. The beauty of the Constitution, as written, allows people to worship as they please. Christians may go to church, preach, pray, whatever. The problem is that they want to use their visions of right and wrong to be the law of the land, based on their interpretation of the Bible.

This is the reason that our Founding Fathers prohibited the establishment of a national religion.They believed, wisely, that religion is a personal thing, between a person and his Deity, or that he might not believe in a Deity. This is a matter of individual conscience, and the government may not step in to enforce or deny religious beliefs.

What we have now, though, is a bunch of Christian zealots who believe that their religion trumps the Constitution, and the law. They want to establish laws according to their interpretation of the Bible. This is prohibited in the Constitution, and I fail to see why it should continue to be such an issue.

The law is clear, but they keep chipping away at it, doggedly ignoring law, and other people's rights, and anything but their own narrow minded views of the world. I fear them far more than I fear the Islamic terrorists that Bush keeps trying to frighten us with.

I was born and raised in Texas. I have spent my life around these extremists. I have no doubt whatsoever that the pressure to conform to evangelical notions of religion has been intense, and that authorities have looked the other way. This is what happens when a sociopath with a streak of religious insanity becomes president.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:32 PM
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14. Amen. Anyone wanting to look further into uber-ultra-right fundies
...should google for Christian Reconstructionism and/or Dominionism. You will be able to read both primary documents (i.e., "This is who we are; yay us") and commentary/analysis from others.

These folks are batshit crazy. As a lifelong liberal I would be only too happy to let them live their lives as they choose, believing the apocalypse is around the corner and all that. I am sincere about this live and let live stuff.

But they have taken over my government, everything but the Supreme Court, and they are one appointment away from that. These folks have to be stopped.

To explore the links between the politicians and the Dominionists/Christian Reconstructionists, keep googling by linking names. Very instructive.

The neo-cons, the uber-ultra-right Christians, and the corporatists are locked in an unholy alliance, each believing they are using the other for their own ends. And Bush owes them all.

By the way for those who don't know me, I spend a lot of time here defending Christianity in general and evangelicals (those more inclined to post the Beatitudes than the Ten Commandments) in particular. It's not my path, but I honor those who, like Pres. Jimmy Carter and Rev. Jim Wallis, do good works on behalf of their fellow humans.

Hekate

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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-06-05 11:28 PM
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8. I'm for any lawsuit against the overzealously religious.
They're metaphysical flashers.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 07:41 AM
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10. I'll say it again.
The intersection of religious fundies and military power in Colorado Springs make it the ideal location to become the capital of the new Republic of Gilead as envisioned in the book The Handmaid's Tale.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 12:47 PM
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13. Inside baseball....
One of the guys who was sent to clean that place up is a Jewish Navy Chaplain, conservative, orthodox, ABSOLUTELY INCORRUPTIBLE, and very sharp, by the name of Arnie Resnicoff. He's a good guy. 0-6, will never make it higher under this administration anyway, probably, because there are only two flag spots and he is unwilling to play any political games.

It would not surprise me if this kid knows Arnie, is all I'm sayin'...
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-07-05 03:46 PM
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15. I thought only the best & the brightest high seniors were accepted
to the federal military academies. Cadets who shove the Bible in people's faces don't sound like the best & the brightest. Add them to all the Tailhook people, plus the teenage military academy couple from Texas who committed murder, and you've got to wonder what the academies' admission committees have been doing for the past 15 years.
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