TV evangelist renews Chavez attacks

PROMINENT US TV evangelist Pat Robertson has accused Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez of giving Osama bin Laden $US1.2 million after the September 11 attacks and of trying to obtain nuclear material from Iran.

Mr Robertson caused uproar in August when he called during his televised religious program for the US government to assassinate Chavez. He later was forced to apologise to the leftist leader. But the conservative preacher issued a new denunciation of Chavez yesterday, local time, in an interview with CNN.

"The truth is, this man is setting up a Marxist-type dictatorship in Venezuela, he's trying to spread Marxism throughout South America, he's negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material and he also sent $US1.2 million in cash to Osama bin Laden right after 9/11," Mr Robertson said. "I apologised and I said I will be praying for him, but one day we will be staring nuclear weapons and it won't be (Hurricane) Katrina facing New Orleans, it's going to be a Venezuelan nuke," Mr Robertson said.

"So my suggestion was, isn't it a lot cheaper sometimes to deal with these problems before you have to have a big war," he added. Asked how he had obtained information on Chavez giving money to bin Laden, Robertson said: "Sources that came to me. That's what I was told." "And I know he sent a warm congratulatory letter to Carlos the Jackal, he's a friend of Muammar Gaddafi," he said. "He's made common cause with these people that are considered terrorists."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16869135%255E1702,00.html

in case you haven't noticed.

How original.

I wish I felt more like I was joking.

He is a tool of the Devil

both hearing from God, as in Pat's "sources that came to me",yeah, right!

"'he's negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material and he also sent $US1.2 million in cash to Osama bin Laden right after 9/11,'"

Well, I'm glad Robertson knows stuff that the rest of the world doesn't.

"'Sources that came to me. That's what I was told." "And I know he sent a warm congratulatory letter to Carlos the Jackal, he's a friend of Muammar Gaddafi," he said. "He's made common cause with these people that are considered terrorists.'"

"Sources?" That's rock solid credibiity, there.

are off-limits for discussion purposes, although he has befriended absolute MONSTERS in his search for power and wealth. From Demopedia:

Pat Robertson is “a paranoid pinhead with a deep distrust of democracy”
-The Wall Street Journal

Robertson, according to investigative reporter Sara Diamond, used his tax- exempt broadcast license to hold a fundraising telethon in the United States for the Guatemalan military and the Nicaraguan contras. On "The 700 Club," Robertson has interviewed Adolfo Calero and Steadman Fagoth, contra leaders; Efrain Rios Montt, then-president of Guatemala known for massive human rights abuses; Jeremias Chitunda, an Angolan guerrilla leader; Ray Cline, former CIA deputy director of intelligence; several Israeli cabinet members, and even President Ronald Reagan in an exclusive interview. One of his campaign pledges during his brief run for the presidency was to withdraw diplomatic recognition from Nicaragua and recognize the contras as a "government in exile." Robertson also interviewed a former president of El Salvador, Alvaro Magana, and individuals connected with the Salvadoran death squads. He praised death squad leader Roberto D'Aubuisson of the ARENA party as a "very nice fellow."

http://www.peopleunitedforreligiousfreedom.org/cbn_tangled_web.htm
Pat Robertson has had business deals with Mobutu Sese Seko (Who was Mobutu? In 1994, the U.S. Department of State charged that Mobutu was behind massive violations of human rights including torture, murder, censorship and religious persecution.)

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/diamonds.html
Pat Robertson also had a business deal with Charles Taylor. Taylor is wanted in Sierra Leone as a war criminal, but Robertson and Taylor are good friends, so much so that in 1998 Robertson negotiated a business partnership with the Taylor regime giving him the rights to gold mining interests in Liberia in exchange for a 10% kick back to the Taylor government. To move on this opportunity Robertson created a for-profit company -- Freedom Gold -- in which he was listed as President as well as Chairman of Board; Robertson being the Board's only member. The company was chartered within the tax evading borders of the Cayman Islands.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/pat_gold.htm
Robertson also defended Taylor in his time of need. The strongest critic of the President (When it came to Charles Taylor stepping down) is televangelist Pat Roberston, who has been lecturing his national television audience regularly about how wrong headed it would be for the US to intervene in Liberia. Indeed, Robertson has been critical of US policy toward Liberia for several years. "We're undermining a Christian, Baptist president to bring in Muslim rebels to take over the country," Robertson told his 700 Club audience recently. "And how dare the president of the United States say to the duly elected president of another country, 'You've got to step down."
http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/pat_quotes/pat_gold.htm
(snip/...)

http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Pat_Robertson

killed.

If this has been done, I'd really like to know.

... so now they are back to their old boogie man, "them godless commies."

is the scare tactic. junior probably gave Pat a call and told him to turn it up a bit!

I think the FBI & CIA ought to pay Mr. Robertson a visit and find out how he knows so much.

fucking crackhead

Get well soon, Pat!

:grouphug:

Christians than chasing down their next boogey man, the world would be a better place.

I'm so sick of hearing this piece of shit spouting off about foreign policy I could scream. Stick to fleecing your flock, Pat. They're the only ones that are buying any of your bullshit, poor suckers. Why ANYONE listens to this puss-wart amazes me, let alone giving him money.

Those are not word one would expect from a man of God.


He is just sick enough that he speaks what Bush thinks.

for giving Osama money. What a tangled web this Christian Cleric weaves. Why don't we call them what they are, Clerics and not evangelists.

Disasters point to 'second coming'
From: Agence France-Presse From correspondents in Washington
October 10, 2005

US TV evangelist Pat Robertson said overnight that recent natural disasters around the world point to the end of the world and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.

"These things are starting to hit with amazing regularity," Robertson said in an interview with CNN, pointing to the coincidence of a major earthquake that killed thousands in Asia yesterday and recent killer hurricanes in the United States and the Boxing Day Tsunami.
Devout Christians believe that the "last days" will be marked by political and geological upheaval, and Mr Robertson said recent events show that those days might have arrived.

Citing scripture from the Bible, the conservative Christian broadcaster said the latter days would be marked by "the birth pangs of a new order, and for anybody who knows what it's like to have a wife going in labour, you know how these labour pains begin to hit".

"What was called the Blessed Hope of the Bible is that one day Jesus Christ would come back again, start a whole new era, that this world order that we know would change into something that would be wonderful that we'd call the millennium," Mr Robertson said.
(snip/...)

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,16869151-38198,00.html

Boy, there's nothing like a Strong's Concordance...

"So you must also be ready! The Son of Man will come at a time when you don't expect him!" (Luke 12:40) Jesus is telling the disciples that they won't know at what hour or on what day He will return. The disciples, mind, not the great multitudes. His closest followers won't even know.

"No one knows when that day or time will be. The Son and the angels in heaven don't know. Only the Father knows. Be careful! Always be ready! You don't know when that time will be." (Mark 12:32-33). Again, Jesus tells the disciples that only God the Father knows the time at which Jesus will return.

So, we can conclude that if Jesus Himself doesn't know, it's probably safe to assume that Robertson doesn't know, either.

Now, couple that understanding with this verse:

"Then Jesus said to His followers, "The time will come when you will want very much to see one of the days of the Son of Man. But you will not be able to see it. People will say to you, 'Look, there he is!' Stay where you are, don't go away and search." (Luke 17:22-23). The secret of maintaining control over a Dominionist or similar congregation is to hold over its collective head the imminent return of Christ. Jesus in this passage is warning His followers - again, not the multitudes, but those who belong to Him - not to listen to people who trumpet Christ's return, because...

"Some of the Pharisees asked Jesus, 'When will the kingdon of God come?' Jesus answered, 'God's kingdom is coming, but not in a way that you will be able to see with your eyes. People will not say, "Look, God's kingdom is here!" or "There it is!" No, God's kingdom is within you.'" (Luke 17:20-21) Anyone who points to an external manifestation of the imminent kingdom of God is contradicting Jesus' own words. In short, anyone who claims signs and wonders and a tangible manifestation of the kingdom should be looked at with considerable wariness.

Actually, if you have a Bible handy, turn to Luke 17 and 18 and read the teachings of Jesus carefully. By the time you're done, you will probably have reached the same conclusion that I have, whether you are a Christian or not: anyone who presents himself, whether directly or indirectly, as an example or paragon and who decries or vilifies those whom he believes to be more sinful than himself has not earned the favor of God. Without that favor, you can pretty well disregard most testimony this person may bring. Which is why Robertson, Dobson, Wildmon, Phelps, Kennedy, et al are, to my mind, clearly not speaking the will of the Father. It's one thing just to think so. It's another to look up the source of these people's beliefs and discover just how heretical, twisted and self-serving these people have become in light of what they profess to believe as absolute and incontrovertible truth. Either they're liars, or their belief system is a lie. Since I choose to believe the system in large part, I have to conclude that they're full of something other than truth (exactly what, I leave to your imagination).

PsA

...weekly basis. Don't have any source for that, but the general idea is that he's tight with the Bushite fascists, and I have no reason to disbelieve it. So, we need to pay attention to this loose-lipped loonie, because he may be picking up on things he's hearing inside where the Orwellian pigs feast and make their plans. And, given that these fascists not only now have control of taxpayer funded intelligence agencies and black ops, but undoubtedly have their own private concerns roaming about, manufacturing evidence, and offing people where they can get away with it, we may be seeing the outline of their plot against Chavez, or bits and pieces of it. It's beyond me, though, to understand how they let this clown in on their dirtier secrets, knowing he will spout stuff like this. We've become such a Byzantine empire that the mind jumps to "tinfoil" at the drop of a hat. Is he sending signals? Or is he maybe working for OUR side, in some weird way, giving warning. What? What?

Don't just respond with logic, or outrage. Would it matter if Chavez were a Marxist? He isn't, but would it matter if he were? He has been endorsed three times by big majorities in Venezuela, in closely monitored elections. He is their chosen leader, and hasn't done anything even close to dictatorial. So what if he believes, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"? What does it matter--and how bad could it be, compared to what's going on here? (All indications are, though, that the Chavez scene is passionately democratic, and non-violent.)

Logic ain't in it. (Don't expect rational thought from Robertson OR the Bushites.) As for outrage, well, yeah. My outrage meter goes wild, too, when it comes to Chavez, because what he is doing, and what he stands for, is so goddamned JUST. I want to cry when I think of having a president like that. And if they destroy him, it will be the worst crime against democracy ever committed.

But don't let the outrage blind you to whatever info Robertson may be providing, that might be useful in foiling these criminals.

The psychological theory I have about the Bushites is that you can tell what they've done (or are planning to do) by what they accuse others of. So maybe this payment to Osama bin Laden he is speaking of--the $1.2 million--that he claims Chavez paid, actually went from the Bush Cartel to OBL; possibly some leak is going to occur about it, and this is a preemptive strike on that leak. (OBL was certainly on their payroll before, during the Afghan-Russia war.)

Setting up a Marxist dictatorship?

Well, there is every sign that the Bush Cartel has set up a FASCIST dictatorship HERE, and is plotting how best to employ their acquired powers. For instance, they now have control of the vote tabulation--with Diebold's and ES&S's "trade secret," proprietary programming code in the new electronic voting systems--and will be able to pick and choose our leaders. (My guess: A War Democrat in '08, to start taking the rap for Bush Jr.'s economic and foreign policy disasters--to be followed by Jeb in '12, who will be much worse.) (Note: We need to take advantage of any Democratic regime they install, to get back public control over our elections.)

Negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material?

Dick Cheney probably involved. Wants to sell (or is selling) nukes and other WMDs all over the world (--one of the reasons they outed CIA covert agent Valerie Plame and her worldwide WMD-monitoring network, in my opinion.) Some dirty deal going on. Greed as the motive.

Sending warm congratulations to Carlos the Jackal and Qadafi (translation for his meathead audience: hired assassins and terrorists)?

Ah! (For London? For the 2nd Bali effort? For beheading Nick Berg in a timely fashion? What?)

Read between the lines. Also, read backwards.

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P.S. I have to laugh at "Venezuela nuke." THAT is funny. This guy is a riot, really.

Maybe a business deal gone wrong. Pat wants Chavez eliminated no mather what.

give everyone the benefit of their opinions on every goddamned thing that happens?

They are slimey, they offend, they suck, and they have no information not available to everyone else. They do NOT have anything special from God to tell us. They are imposters. Clowns.Village idiots. Liars. And that's the BEST you can say about them.

or whoever is the real President have hatched so that they can link Chavez with terrorism and justify an attack that has been long planned. Get everyone to believe, just like they did with Saddam, that is a Osama collaborater.

I think that this is the point, this bilge is being instigated by the bush* administration in a 'plausable deniable' kind of way.

It's not as though Chavez could have a "secret" nuclear weapons program that nobody (but Robertson, apparently) could know about.

The guy's a loon.

what Chavez has to say about the USA's resident religious crackpot's latest accusations.

It will be a pleasure to hear from a President of a country who actually cares about his people and evidently cares about the poor people in the usa..which is a hellava lot more that patwa robertson ever did. Whassa matter, pat..can't you stand the people of the usa getting some free oil from Venezuela?

You jealous monster.

little fingers can grab it, regardless of what his "Jay-zus" has said about wealth, the love of money, etc. in the New Testament.

Pat's a disgrace to anyone who has ever hoped to see a better world ahead.

He is jealous!!!

Hahahahahahahaha!!!:rofl:

lawyers on this as we type.

Prolly has oil assets down there as well. How else does one explain the bug he as up his ass over Chavez? Gotta be hurtin' his pocket book one way or another.

"Located within a few blocks of the refinery is an elementary school, a residential neighborhood, a senior citizen housing facility, and a state hospital. The community closest to the refinery is nearly 70% Latino and predominantly low-income. CBE has been working with the local community for over two years. Over 500 community members have written letters expressing concern about the refinery opening.
"This is a historic victory for clean air and for environmental justice," said Gideon Kracov an attorney with Rose, Klein & Marias who represented CBE."

http://www.cbecal.org/alerts/oil/oC012802.shtml

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Defector: Chavez gave
$1 million to al-Qaida
Venezuelan leader endangering region with increasing ties to terrorism
Posted: January 7, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Recent high-level Venezuelan military defectors say President Hugo Chavez gave $1 million to al-Qaida shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the United States.

Air Force Maj. Juan Diaz Castillo, formerly a pilot for the Venezuelan leader, was smuggled to Miami last week where he is warning the U.S. of what he calls Chavez's dismissal of the constitution and his ties to terrorism in collaboration with Cuban dictator Fidel Castro.


Major Juan Diaz Castillo

"I must warn America about Chavez," Diaz said. "He is a danger, not just to his own people but to the whole region."

Diaz is one of more than 100 military officers who have quit the Chavez regime as the president tries to hang on to power amid a month-long general strike that has cut off oil exports, his primary source of income

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=30350

What in the hell was General Mahmoud Ahmad (head of Pakistani intelligence), who wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta months earlier, doing on Capitol Hill on the morning of 9/11? Maybe you should look into that first, fool.

that he gave money to Bin Ladin, that he's been trying to buy uranium, or that he sent a letter of congratulations to Carlos the Jackal? Probably not.

in 2003. See my post further below.

with Venezuela even if you waited 50 years! They recently bought 100,000 AK74 from Russia! Wow, that's a force to reckon with! So the "Let's do this NOW 'cause later it'll be worse" point is moot.

Anyways, I bet Chavez (as a man who almost got overthrown 2 times by CIA backed coup) thinks bin Laden is a CIA front...

Yea, Chavez would give 1.2$millions to the CIA... :sarcasm:

Says he gave Osama money after 9/11. I wonder how he got this "intel".

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16869135%255E1702,00.html

He's one sick bastard. How millions of people follow him is beyond me.

with Pat Robertson.

Now if you talk about bearing false witness, that I'd go for. Just ask when he spoke to his boy george or any of his minions. That story is so screwy that it can only come from one of them. You know, like the yellow cake and wmd myths.

On an intervew with CNN this morning, he said we could very well be in the midst of the End Times. If he believes that, why should he care about anything except praying and preparing for the rapture...

Speaking of the Rapture, a friend of mine has made bumper stickers saying "The Rapture -- So, When are you all leaving?"
with a happy little cartoon figure waving goodbye. Funny stuff.

the sooner these freaks' reign of terror on earth is over the better

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Robertson's increased senility apparent in CNN Late Edition Chavez nuke spook!

VHeadline.com editor & publisher Roy S. Carson writes: US televangelist Pat Robertson is showing distinct signs of advanced senility in his latest rabble-rousing on Venezuela's President Hugo Chavez Frias. Ranting again on CNN's Late Edition program, Robertson now says that "this man (Chavez) is setting up a Marxist-type dictatorship in Venezuela."

Letting off more steam, the millionaire Bible-basher claims that "he (Chavez) is trying to spread Marxism throughout South America ... he is negotiating with the Iranians to get nuclear material ... and he also sent US$1.2 million in cash to Osama bin Laden right after 9/11."

No matter that the latter statement has been categorically proved to be untrue, Robertson -- who only recently called for President Hugo Chavez assassination -- says that Chavez "poses a nuclear threat to the United States."

Big deal! The only operative nuclear reactor in Venezuela is factually a mini-moke located at the Venezuelan Science & Technology Institute (IVIC) near Caracas ... for 'peaceful' research into medical dangers inherent in dental X-rays...

Naturally, Christian (?) Broadcasting Network executive Robertson "declined to say how he had learned of the accusations he was making ... saying only that he was passing along information he had received" however, on air, he did back-track on his earlier tirade and said he does not believe "Mr. Chavez should be killed" but that he is "a problem that should be dealt with."

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=46309

Although Clinton could easily get that sort of response from children. It's kind of telling.

complete 'nutter'

In any other society, Pat Robertson would be one of those crazy religious guys you hear about on the streets of Times Square.

Why do we let the MSM provide a forum to lying sacks of shit like Robertson? For how long must we sit back and allow corporations to own the news media? When are the people going to take back the airwaves that belong to us, and throw the corporatists out of the newsrooms?

Rather than shake with fear at Robertson's latest insane diatribe, I stand resolutely against him and his ilk by filling up with CITGO gasoline, the profits of which filter down to finance Chavez's social programs. I also stand against the lies of the religion that Robertson peddles, an ideology based on lies and fear. As comrade Lenin wrote in his 1905 essay Socialism and Religion:

After all, we've gotten beyond antiquated philosophies based on naive (at best) understandings of how the world works and exploited by authoritarian, censorious, murdering demagogues. Oh, wait.

.

We should send him a DU bib to catch the drool which is sure to be the next sign of his impending state of complete mental incapacitation.

:rofl:

no apologies, no shame

inside dog cages at Guantanamo.

for an attack on Venezuela.

...has been proven to be PROFITABLE. so he figures another tirade will fill the coffers again. free publicity is free publicity after all, and he's well-practiced at playing the 'poor persecuted christian'.

:rant:
If they are going to stick their noses in government then the government better start charging them for the privilege!!!!!

edited for typo

This guy's a fucking asshole.

Pat Robertson, the Christian Coalition founder, told CNN Sunday that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez is negotiating with Iran for nuclear material and sent $1.2 million to terrorist Osama bin Laden.

Chavez is creating a Marxist-like dictatorship in his country and is trying to spread Marxism in South America, Robertson said on "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer."

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/1005/10robertson.html


I am wondering how Pat would know this?! He has "sources"?

protect itself!!!! We are the imperialistic nation now ...

STFU Pat!

I'd be surpised if he wasn't one of Bush's adviors.

antichristian piece of shit.

How does anyone take Pat Robertson seriously?

But they're all too far gone now for us to be any help.

congress and reveal your 'sources', idiot.

Is he on the payroll now, as a media consultant? What is w/ his hard-on for Hugo Chavez?

ONLY the US can maim and kill people with nukes!

What makes him newsworthy?

Furthermore, if I said half of what he did, I'd be in jail so fucking fast.

America has cancer.

Pat's supposed to be a 'religious' leader, not a politician with any kind of agenda.

Someone tell him to shut the fuck up already !!!

:grr:

:nuke:

Wonder how a creator would feel about having this jackass represent him.

:rofl: I love VP Rangel.

From venezuelanalysis.com

...Robertson’s latest comments generated a new wave of vehement rejections from Venezuelan officials. Vice President José Vicente Rangel said about Robertson, “This guy is crazy.” “He should be submitted to a team of psychiatrists and psychologists.” Rangel went on the say that Robertson’s political analysis is so irrational that, “political analysis cannot provide a rational response.”

Rangel reminded people that despite Robertson’s irrationality, one should keep in mind who is behind Robertson, which is President Bush. Robertson is “the spiritual councilor of the occupant of the White House,” said Rangel. Also, he is the one who “got Bush out of Alcoholism.”

Venezuela’s ambassador to the U.S., Bernardo Alvarez, who is currently visiting Caracas, said that Robertson lacks any credibility and is someone who, “permanently violates the commandments,” because he previously urged the murder of a president and is now lying about Venezuela.

Alvarez also clarified that the accusation that Venezuela provided $1.2 million to Osama bin Laden is an old accusation that a U.S. court dismissed a long time ago. The accusation was based on the suggestion that $1 million Venezuela provided for Afghan refugees, via the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, actually went to Osama bin Laden’s group. Alvarez emphasized that the money has been accounted for beyond any doubt.

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1781


Venezuela's Vice-President José Vicente Rangel Credit: Archive

Give the CIA a call. I hear they do good stuff, especially with small planes.

Only my first thought was Chavez would do it. CIA - much cleaner.

with Bushitler to run his mouth just because they want to steal Venezuela's oil!!!

So they're trying to start another "Terrorist Scare" just to brainwash the American Public!

You don't scare me YOU LYING THIEVES!!!:argh:

the mentally challenged across the country, and those who can't be bothered to look for the truth of the matter, they probably feel they can produce a right-wing ground swell level of support for very dirty, violent behavior toward Hugo Chavez on behalf of the oligarchy.

3. Why are your followers not thinking your venezula fetish is going overboard?

I'd dump you like a mad-dog with rabies, if I were them.

insignificant he really is. Here's reality for ya Pat. For you it's God's way of humbling assholes like yourselves.

people by killing them.

I'm sure Fallwell is impressed.

Thinks he can say whatever shit comes to mind cuz it's almost checkout time (in his eyes) for the human race.

Almost certainly lies, in fact. He's a good holy man.

hey, Antichrist Pat, I heard the Lord's Resistance Army is losing steam, and the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God is out of gas, so to speak. There may not be diamonds in Uganda, but there are plenty of childrens' hands to cut off and metals there and next-door D.R.C. Maybe you and "Staff 2001" Cheney can have a dinner with a cannibal army leader; you can eat a Pygmy family while expounding on the morality and superiority of your White Man's burden--or perhaps shoot Botswana's last lion with Poppy and Quayle on what was San land before Mr. IMF Mogae removed them for diamond mines.

OBL? If its true then Chavez is fair game to to be taken out; if its not true then Chavez should sue Roberts for slander.

:spank:

and, oh my god, Castro! According to Walter Scott or whatever nutcase does the "celebrity" question and answers in Parade magazine last Sunday? I don't read Parade but can't seem to resist looking each week to see if Scott unleashes another stinker.

I'll bet a lot more americans read "Personality Perade" than hear Pat Robertson. Ugh.

I don't know what god this Talibaptist communes with, but I wouldn't want to meet it in a dark alley.

Hekate

That alone...to this Admin. & friends...could be considered a "terrorist" act.