CNN Breaking: Tip on N.Y. Subway threat a hoax

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/11/nyc.scare/index.html

I thought we were told that these guys past PART of the lie detector test?

:o

duped again. I thought they went all "Billy Badass" after Katrina. :eyes: :rofl:

Jay

So much for Homeland security.

that people needed to be told it's a hoax, that is. :evilgrin:

Fear bird flu 24/7.


Actually, I fear Bu$h .. 24/7.

The stuffy nose part is a real bummer. :rofl:

Jay

ON EDIT: I think I'm more worried about all of these crazy snakes running around down in FLA. Armageddon's upon us.

This admin. managed to screw up last years vaccine supply. First we couldn't get enough then were told in about Feb. that we had extra so line up again folks. Fun huh?

It must be in the polluted water, brain damaging pollutants. Obviously bush drank too much of that "also" while living in Houston. What goes around comes around, karma, etc.

Edit: Heard on tv this am that the pharmaceuticals couldn't make money from investing in flu vaccines, that it would deplete their dollars for research. Up is down again.

the other day when I heard the story I remember them saying something that terrorists had left Iraq to carry out the "plot" and some had returned to Iraq from New York.

Something didn't seem right....just how easy would it be these days for Iraqi's to hop on a plane and travel back and forth to New York? I mean, come on...sure it might be possible but this sounded obsurd to me.

this whole Iraq quagmire is an effing joke. Bush is an idiot, the administration is a farce, and the American people need to pull their heads out of their asses and realize they are being had.

Ok. I'm done with my rant.

Bush makes a "major speech" on the War on Terra and Iraq and, oh dear, NY is under threat from an attack that supposedly originated in Iraq.

Amazing coincidence.

But those seem to happen frequently with Bush and his crowd.

On Friday, I commented to friends that the bush team is very good at manipulating the media - at least the media has the balls to call the team on the hoax.

I could not add a thing.

"We are heroes in error," he said in an interview in Baghdad, where is a member of the Governing Council. "As far as we're concerned we've been entirely successful. Our objective has been achieved. That tyrant Saddam is gone and the Americans are in Baghdad. What was said before is not important."

http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/rad-green/2004-February/012734.html

:sarcasm:

Karl Rove

with his defense attorneys after all. Good to see he is still focused.

a just the moment when CNN was doing live coverage of the Rove PlameGate affair?

:sarcasm:

http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/newyork/nyc-nyterr114464928oct11,0,1015426.story?coll=nyc-nynews-print

excerpt:

Sources confirmed yesterday that the train-bomb threat that prompted days of precautions appeared fabricated, while authorities announced they'll soon scale back subway security measures.

A counterterrorism source and two Bush administration officials said interrogators in Iraq determined over the weekend that an informant, previously deemed reliable, apparently misled them this time.

It just was too handy to wag the hoax. :grr:

Bush is the terrorist! Strange how this comes right after polls show his disapproval being so low and right after his lame speech.

Speaking of which, do you think he could give a speech at night when the nation is watching and not during the day when everyone is at work?

Someone PLEASE impeach Bush!

Sorry for the rant.

Dapper

The Bombers were in New York this weekend. The Yankees played two in the Bronx. Latest news report, the Bombers were in California yesterday but were defeated by the Angels

Dapper

Bush has all his best intelligence men on the job. We have nothing to fear but fear alone. Ain't that the truth.

Hey Shrub...if you torture 'em to get them to talk how can you punish 'em for making something up?

And they'd let this information out now why?

"government sources said Tuesday."

And WHY did they say it today?

It helps build morale among the terrorist-fighting warriors, if they believe they were duped and that the public knows it?

NO. The feds already said they didn't take the threat seriously, though New York plainly DID take it seriously. The White House started downplaying this as soon as it came out. BEFORE they could have possibly known there was sure to be nothing to it. BEFORE the feds could have possibly known, they said this was nothing to worry about, in effect, already saying and already said it was a hoax.

They already said it was a hoax, so why go out of their way to illustrate it? Today?

So what is this? Politics. It doesn't help the security of anyone, it's just meant to discredit. Today, now, they can say "nothing will happen" because nothing has happened, now. They had to wait for that eventuality...why? Because they didn't want it to look as if they know something they shouldn't? Can we entertain that possibility? I'd think so. And also because, if something had happened, they'd have looked like fools and worse, so the feds waited until now to further discredit New York. Yes, we knew all along, we told you so.

But how did they know?

How did they "know" something with such certainty, but yet were unable to convince the quite worthy New York authority of it?? Were the facts wishy-washy, what do we make of "the person who passed along the New York tip also gave information that prompted a military operation in Iraq, which led to the arrests of three al Qaeda suspects"? Sounds like facts of some sort from some source to me, no matter how wishy-washy. Were they unable to share this information earlier, or are we to believe New York jumped out of their collective skins for nothing, for no good reason, because they're, what, not quite as bright as the feds?

Neither theory makes sense. Because I just don't believe New York is stupid, SO stupid, THAT stupid, that they dreamed up a serious terrorist threat all on their own, in the face of federal skeptisism. One their hand, extremely dangerous situation, on the other hand with the feds, nothing to worry about. Where is the middle ground, where was the in-between the extremes logical assessment of the situation?

The feds are saying, in effect, that they were right, that this was all a hoax. But we really have to ask ourselves why they're saying that, and look at the timing of it, imho.

why did they choose the least busiest day of the week, a sunday, as the day of the attack?

you can't get fooled again... *


* - (offer not valid with US mainstream media...they can get fooled any day of the week and twice on Sunday)

I am just stunned, STUNNED, I tell you!

:sarcasm:

Bloomberg and the entire media has just given the terrorists a lot of ammunition--what are the strengths and weaknesses of the NY transit system? How much analysis could be done from this hoax? Where does the information from such a threat run the chain of command? Who has infiltrated our group?


Idiots----

My aunt waited hours for the trains go get back online!

Does that make 11?

but got no coverage.

Along with the one at Georgia Tech and then the "just a suicde" explosive at OU. Are the feds not wanting to panic parent$ of college kid$ or what??


From this past Friday:

http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=34392

Shortly after 1 p.m. today, the Los Angeles Police Department bomb squad detonated an explosive device outside the Midvale Plaza apartment building on the 500 block of Midvale Avenue after residents said they heard a small explosion earlier in the day.


After responding to a call made at 11:13 a.m., the bomb squad arrived at 527 Midvale Ave. to find "an improvised explosive device" in the building's open-air courtyard, said Grace Brady, a spokeswoman for the LAPD. Authorities did not give additional details about the device.

Earlier this morning, several residents of the apartment building heard a small explosion, but most said they went back to sleep, and the police were not called until several hours later when a resident found an explosive device.

A cluster of police cars, FBI vehicles, ambulances, fire trucks and parking enforcement vehicles restricted access to the block while the bomb squad inspected and detonated the device remotely. Though nearby buildings were not evacuated, LAPD officers also restricted pedestrian traffic near the apartment building until after the bomb squad had detonated the explosive.


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http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=34408

This person should be tried in the U.S., in an open court, for terrorism. Lying about an attack to inspire terror seems to fit the definition to me. Then we could hear the whole story.

But, I doubt that will happen, since the Bush administration was probably complicit in concocting this little scare. They can prove they weren't by having the open trial I mentioned in my first paragraph.

In the wonderful words of Gomer Pyle

SURPRISE, SURPRISE, SURPRISE!

if Keith Olbermann makes a big deal out of this tonight, somebody, please, post a transcript. I'd love to know what he does with this.

Tonight on Countdown
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There's much more brewing now about that latest terror threat...

Yesterday New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said police would be ``slowly winding down'' the intensity of subway patrols, after the target date cited in a federal warning about a possible terrorist attack passed without incident. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=ao2qgQmYt8IE&refer=top_world_news

As Pete Williams said in his report last night, those arrests in Iraq turned up nothing. "Law enforcement officials say today that investigations in the Iraqi city where three men were arrested last week, in response to a tip ... turned up no evidence whatsoever of any plan to attack New York. That includes giving the three men lie detector tests, searching their computers, and checking their phone call records."

Tonight... a postmortem on this latest terror threat, which officials at Homeland Security had said was of doubtful credibility.

what all the false alarms/faux terror alerts mean is that when there IS a real terrorist attack, in the NY subways, for instance, it will most likely come without warning.

The issue is timidly broached by window guard Ferrer - our wimpy candidate for Mayor - who is asking Bloomberg what were the reasons to raise the alert?

history of THIRTEEN TIMES terror alerts have coincided with Bushie political low times:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5033592
thread title: FAKE TERROR ALERTS - Olbermann will report on latest and THIRTEEN times

Pay back the city in all the money spent for overtime on all the police and emergency personel that had to be called in and work over time.

They would never do that. Especially with indictments about to come out.

I pay little attention to these so called threats.

That it came out the same day as the news about that 300lb brain of bush's.

Jamie Wilson in Washington
Wednesday October 12, 2005
The Guardian


The alleged terror threat that sparked a big security alert on New York's trains and subway last week turned out to be a hoax concocted by an unreliable US informant in Iraq, it emerged yesterday.

Uniformed and undercover police descended on the city's subway system on Friday after what was described as a "specific threat" that a terror cell was planning to explode bombs concealed in pushchairs, suitcases and rucksacks. At one point a section of Penn Station was sealed off as security staff wearing chemical hazard suits investigated a "soupy green substance" found in a Pepsi bottle. It turned out be a cleaning substance. <snip>

But security sources yesterday told CNN that an informant in Iraq had admitted giving false information. Law enforcement officials said last week that the person who passed along the New York tip also gave information which led to the arrests of three al-Qaida suspects in Musayyib, south of Baghdad, said to have links to the alleged plot. <snip>

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1590005,00.html

I'm absolutely shocked. Shocked I tell you.

It's so nice to know that one can ignore all the terra lerts. :evilgrin:

Are your name ...?

Are you or have you ever been employed by GOP?

It was a valuable training exercise for the police and rescue units, and it made people be more aware of the threat. Hopefully, if a real attack is about to occur, subway riders will notice something is out of the ordinary and report it.

From the NY Times (subscription only) editorial page today:

>>"What bothers us is that this alert showed that the antiterrorism operations for this huge and vital city are hardly the seamless affair we were promised after 9/11. The Homeland Security Department was scoffing about the alert -- on background, of course -- minutes after it was announced. It's been pretty clear that the department was enjoying the behind-the-scenes chance to make a local police force that prides itself on its expertise and independence look amateurish. Meanwhile, a number of big cities have chafed at what some officials claim is a failure of the Homeland Security Department to share information speedily, and some make it clear that they believe the top urban police departments could do a better job of coordinating intelligence on their own."<<

So, in essence, the feds managed to kill three birds with one stone: 1) Ring out a terror alert to accompany Bush's upteenth terror speech; 2) Discredit local officials, who held a rare press conference to explain the upswing in police activity, and, 3) Advance their agenda to grab power from local authorities.

If you were a New Yorker, would you trust George W. Bush or your local police force, which lives here and has family here, to protect you? I know what my answer is, and I am not pleased with the attempts of the corrupt and ineffectual federal government to grab more turf here.

The NY folks handled this properly, even if it was a hoax.
I'd trust them a lot more than the Feds, who likely wouldn't tell anyone about a hoax for a considerable longer bit of time.

When I was in Grand Central. Scary, scary shit. :scared:

I've already been randomly searched twice too. I must look like a terra-ist since I wear Pagan jewelry. :crazy: