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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:30 PM
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NYT: Vote Totals Under Inquiry in 12 Iraqi Provinces, Panel Says
Oops. Slight problem with the vote count in Iraq. Someone send in Katherine Harris!

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/17/international/middleeast/17cnd-ballot.html?hp&ex=1129608000&en=6b936c6ff54e6da8&ei=5094&partner=homepage


Vote Totals Under Inquiry in 12 Iraqi Provinces, Panel Says

By DEXTER FILKINS
Published: October 17, 2005

BAGHDAD, Iraq, Oct. 17 - Iraqi election officials said today that they were investigating what they described as "unusually high" vote totals in 12 Shiite and Kurdish provinces, where as many 99 percent of the voters were reported to have cast ballots in favor of Iraq's new constitution, raising the possibility that the results of Saturday's referendum could be called into question.

(more at link)


Hell, they were just following orders from Dear Leader. He said they had to pass the new constitution and to make sure it would happen. They are just learning to have an American-style democracy, that's all.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:33 PM
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1. "Democracy" in action.
These are the people the US wants to put in power in Iraq - corrupt thugs who fake elections to maintain their power and ensure continued US domination.
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:34 PM
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2. they were told that it had to pass with a higher % than Saddam got in his
"elections." I think Saddam was "elected" in 2003 right before the war with 98% of the vote. So it is natural for the Yes vote in this case to get 99%.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:38 PM
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3. not to mention the super low and unusual vote counts from sunni areas.
it was corrupt as gangrene. bush style.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:48 PM
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4. bush style "democracy" in action.........
and they don't even have Diebold machines yet! Wait until they get their hands on those babies, "democracy" will REALLY flourish! :eyes:

What else would you expect from anything the bush administration is connected with? A free and fair election was the LAST thing on their minds.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 02:49 PM
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5. Is Ken Blackwell moonlighting?
Miami and Lucas Counties OH had precincts with 85 to 99.7% turnouts.

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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:00 PM
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6. Well they look like they have fraudulent election practices



and ripping off treasury funds.


Woohoo! American style democracy already!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:01 PM
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7. 99% ? - gee - - I thot the US killed more than 1% of them?
.
.
.

ahhhhh - right -

that was mostly children ad women they massacred . . .

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:04 PM
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8. Sounds like the same numbers Saddam used to get
When he held a vote.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:29 PM
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9. here is the "a star from mosul"
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 03:30 PM by madrchsod
take on the election....she`s 17 years old....
dam forgot the link
http://astarfrommosul.blogspot.com/
A Star from Mosul
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:24 PM
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18. Thank you for posting this link.
This blog should be required reading for anyone who believes this is a "just" war. (A just war...just writing that makes me nauseous.)


This includes Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and the rest of the Republites.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:14 PM
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33. Judging from that young girls weblog they had a lot of the same
odd problems we had here in the states. Moved polling places, misdirections, told they were at the wrong location, and then given additional cards that weren't meant for them. Man the whole Iraqi election sounds a lot like the 2004 election. They even tried to change the rules to make a "yes" vote easier days before the election. That sounds like Blackwell with his "wrong weight of paper" proposal. Democracy in action my ass! Corruption in motion is more like it!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:50 PM
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10. Did they exclude ex-felons?
And people who didn't swear a loyalty oath?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:52 PM
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11. Calling Katherine Harris. Calling Katherine Harris.
Recount needed ASAP.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:53 PM
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12. Early on in Vietnam
The brutal dictator (and friend of ours) Ngo Dinh Diem received 124% of the vote in Saigon. It was a stunning landslide, to say the least.

Nothing new under the sun with these mofuckers.
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MojoXN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 03:55 PM
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13. God Bless America...
We, through the grace of George W. Bush and the greater Republican party, have been blessed by the Lord in order to spread vote fraud and dishonesty throughout the world. It makes one TRULY proud to be an American, doesn't it?

I don't believe in the sarcasm tag.

MojoXN
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:12 PM
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14. One can only imagine ...
... how the Iraqi voters will take this news. Imagine if this happened HERE!!! It would be all over the TV, the RADIO, the NEWSPAPERS!!! Thank God no one could ever pull off this kind of S**T in the Good Ol' United States, eh? :wow:
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:14 PM
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15. Well? The bu$h regime was involved, what do you expect?
Fair elections?
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:16 PM
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16. How cute. Just like Ohio and Fla. Bush was so right.
He did bring american style democracy to Iraq.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:22 PM
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17. Americans were furious when it happened here.
Imagine what iraqi's will do.
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jaded_at_best Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:25 PM
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19. how do you pronounce Diebold in
Iraqi?
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:56 PM
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32. DIE....BOLD
the accent on DIE, unfortunately.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:31 PM
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20. Rice was sure of the result, well before the votes were counted.
It makes you wonder.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:32 PM
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21. this will caste a long shadow of doubt regardless of the outcome. Can
you say deja vu?
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:33 PM
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22. Media sucks
They show up in Iraq but not in Ohio. :shrug: Foch the NY Times
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 04:51 PM
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23. I think I figured out the problem...
Some pre-printed ballots, were also premarked.


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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:26 PM
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24. Vote Totals Under Inquiry in 12 Iraqi Provinces
Iraq, Oct. 17 - Iraqi election officials said today that they were investigating what they described as "unusually high" vote totals in 12 Shiite and Kurdish provinces, where as many 99 percent of the voters were reported to have cast ballots in favor of Iraq's new constitution, raising the possibility that the results of Saturday's referendum could be called into question.



In a statement released this evening, the Independent Election Commission of Iraq said the results of the Oct. 15 referendum would have to be delayed by "a few days," because the apparently high totals in favor of the constitution required that election workers "recheck, compare and audit" the results.

The statement made no mention of the possibility of fraud, but said the re-examination of the balloting was being done in order to comply with internationally accepted standards. Election officials say that under such standards, voting must be re-examined any time a candidate or a ballot question receives more than 90 percent of the vote.>>>>>snip
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/17/international/middleeast/17cnd-ballot.html?ex=1287201600&en=244b69cbdc6a983c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
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Oreo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:26 PM
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25. Remember how Saddam used to always get 99% of the vote
Freedom is on the march!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:26 PM
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26. Could American Democracy Be At Work In The Iraqi Ballot Box????
Edited on Mon Oct-17-05 04:30 PM by Double T
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I_Will Donating Member (211 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:26 PM
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27. "Vote Totals Under Inquiry in 12 of Iraqi's 11 Provinces"
...just kidding (grin)
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 05:26 PM
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28. LOL! Good one.
:rofl:
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:03 PM
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29. Deja Vu all over again
Was Diebold involved?

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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:26 PM
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30. Unusually high vote totals. Just like I saw in Wisconsin counties 2004
Working on the black box voting issues after the 2004 election debacle, I worked on three counties here in Wisconsin: Washington (heavily Repuke), Racine (usually Dem), and Kenosha (almost always Dem). Yet all went for Bush. When looking at Washington County, precincts with zero percent reporting in 2000, suddenly had 100% participation and guess what? They all voted for Bush. 100% for Bush.

Then Racine and Kenosha: both cities heavily hit by the manufacturing bust. ALWAYS vote Dem...and lo and behold, they only had 30% turnout where the outlying areas were 90-99% in almost every case...and they went for Bush.

Right. I've seen this 99% thing before. The Repukes know exactly how to fix an election. Let me guess...Diebold made the Iraqi voting machines?
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Teena Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 12:06 PM
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48. AllyCat -
I didn't know that Wisconsin had pretty much the same amount of fraud as my state, Ohio. I guess that's because Ohio was targeted as one of the "swing states" in 2004, so it got the most attention from the media. Unfortunately, almost every county in Ohio now has had to buy voting machines because of a directive by Kenneth Blackwell, Bush's campaign director AND Secretary of State. as we all know, it isn't the machines themselves that are the problem, but the central tabulator that records the votes off the memory cards from each separate voting machine. If you haven't already, check out the Black Box Voting site and BradBlog for details. Hacking this tabulator can be achieved by ONE PERSON using a remote device! Don't you wonder why no one from the GAO or some other unbiased governmental agency is looking into this? Doesn't it make sense that someone could use a device to "hack" the tabulator in a testing situation, and that the electromagnetic activity would be detected? It isn't rocket science, after all. Hey! I just thought of a new area of expertise - a service that states or counties hire to stand by on election day and detect fraud. Who am I kidding? It'll never happen in a Republican-dominated America.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 06:39 PM
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31. Iraq only has 18 provinces


Governorates of Iraq. Iraq is divided into 18 governorates or provinces:

1 Baghdad Arab, Assyrian, Turkman, Kurdish
2 Salah ad Din Arab, Kurdish
3 Diyala Arab, Kurdish
4 Wasit Arab
5 Maysan Arab
6 Al Basrah Arab
7 Dhi Qar Arab
8 Al Muthanna Arab
9 Al Qadisyah Arab
10 Babil Arab
11 Al Karbala Arab
12 An Najaf Arab
13 Al Anbar Arab
14 Ninawa Arab, Assyrian, Kurdish
15 Dahuk Kurdish
16 Arbil Kurdish
17 At Ta'mim Arab, Turkman, Kurdish
18 As Sulaymaniyah Kurdish
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:27 PM
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34. I didn't know Diebold was over there... nt
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oioioi Donating Member (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:35 PM
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35. Iraqis Probe 'Unusually High' Yes Tally
BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's election commission announced Monday that officials were investigating "unusually high" numbers of "yes" votes in about a dozen provinces during Iraq's landmark referendum on a new constitution, raising questions about irregularities in the balloting.

Word of the review came as Sunni Arab leaders repeated accusations of fraud after initial reports from the provinces suggested the constitution had passed. Among the Sunni allegations are that police took ballot boxes from heavily "no" districts, and that some "yes" areas had more votes than registered voters.

The Electoral Commission made no mention of fraud, and an official with knowledge of the election process cautioned that it was too early to say whether the unusual numbers were incorrect or if they would affect the outcome.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051018/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:35 PM
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36. Well, now they know what's it's like to be American
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:35 PM
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37. We taught them how to have an election. And how to have a stolen one.
n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 09:44 PM
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38. Repblican War...Republican Elections...All Republican, All the Time
Well, I can't tell you how "shocked I am, totally shocked that there would be election fraud in Ohio...er...I mean Iraq."

Of course there are problems, the Bush administration is running the show. It goes with the territiory.

I just admire the people who caught it!
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AirAmFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:14 PM
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39. ABC Evening News had REMARKABLE footage of ballot-box stuffing.
At least two blue-thumbed people had HANDFULS of ballots in open voting booths with waist-high partitions that did not hide what they were doing. They checked the same box on different ballots, at least seven times apiece.

Then voters themselves placed their ballots -- or handfuls of ballots -- into a clear plastic ballot box with a WIDE slot in the top, No election officals seemed to be working, either at the voting booths or at the ballot box.

I guess paper ballots are not by themselves the answer to corrupt elections after all. Somebody needs to make sure each voter gets only one ballot, and puts only one ballot in the box!

I wonder whther this footage will be replayed on Nightline or on Good Morning America. It's a shocker.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:59 PM
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43. Remember, vote early and vote often
It's the Bush way.
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spinbaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 06:59 AM
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45. I saw that
That one man had a whole stack of ballots he was filling out. But yet this morning, some spokesdrone was on NPR saying there was no evidence of fraud.
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:35 AM
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47. any links? e/m
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:19 PM
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40. Iraqis Probe 'Unusually High' Yes Tally By LEE KEATH
Iraqis Probe 'Unusually High' Yes Tally By LEE KEATH, Associated Press Writer
45 minutes ago



BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's election commission announced Monday that officials were investigating "unusually high" numbers of "yes" votes in about a dozen provinces during Iraq's landmark referendum on a new constitution, raising questions about irregularities in the balloting.

Word of the review came as Sunni Arab leaders repeated accusations of fraud after initial reports from the provinces suggested the constitution had passed. Among the Sunni allegations are that police took ballot boxes from heavily "no" districts, and that some "yes" areas had more votes than registered voters.

The Electoral Commission made no mention of fraud, and an official with knowledge of the election process cautioned that it was too early to say whether the unusual numbers were incorrect or if they would affect the outcome.

But questions about the numbers raised tensions over Saturday's referendum, which has already sharply divided Iraqis. Most of the Shiite majority and the Kurds — the coalition which controls the government — support the charter, while most Sunni Arabs sharply opposed a document they fear will tear Iraq to pieces and leave them weak and out of power.


snip


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051018/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:19 PM
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41. But no one probes unusually high number of votes for Bush
in Ohio and Florida.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 10:19 PM
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42. Exactly...
BushCo is running Iraq... so why should their faux elections be any different than ours.
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cat starbuck Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-17-05 11:02 PM
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44. What's odd is Bush garnered 10% of the vote.....
...and he wasn't even running. A Diebold spokesman was quoted as saying "Look, we forgot to reset them before sending them to Iraq. It must still be in the machine's software. What can I say?"
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 08:32 AM
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46. who cares what the count is
if the "constitution" passes then, lets see, we have to do it all over again in less than four months. this means nothing. it's all a show for lord bushy the nauseating and his neocon conspirators. Means nothing.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 01:24 PM
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49. i'm truly impressed.
that the media exposed this SO FAST. good for them. not an unexpected turn of events. we knew their chances of getting this thing passed legitimately was about nil. so they just HAD to try and cheat. and real sloppily from the looks of it.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 01:32 PM
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50. NPR (Neocon Public Relations) had an interview with a NY Times
reporter (if you can believe that) regarding the 99% approval rating, and his comment was that it was "not out of the realm of possibility."

A 99% vote proves that the vote itself is 100% pure, unadulterated fraud.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-18-05 07:49 PM
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51. More on the same
Final Results From Iraq Referendum Delayed

By MARIAM FAM, Associated Press Writer



BAGHDAD, Iraq - Final results from Iraq's landmark referendum on a new constitution will likely not be announced until Friday at the earliest because of delays getting counts to the capital and a wide-ranging audit of an unexpectedly high number of "yes" votes, election officials said.


The returns have raised questions over the possibility of irregularities in the balloting. With the delays, the outcome of the crucial referendum will remain up in the air possibly into next week, at a time when the government had hoped to move public attention to a new milestone: the start of the trial of ousted dictator Saddam Hussein on Wednesday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051019/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq



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