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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:21 PM
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WP: Inquiry as Exacting As Special Counsel Is
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 09:25 PM by Pirate Smile
Inquiry as Exacting As Special Counsel Is
A Tough Investigation Is Also Praised as Nonpartisan

By Peter Slevin and Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Monday, October 24, 2005; Page A03

CHICAGO, Oct. 23 -- Patrick J. Fitzgerald's final witness was behind bars, refusing to testify, and no one was budging. Hunting for room to maneuver, the special counsel talked with one side, then the other. He drafted a letter that nudged the witness and needled I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff.

Three days later, Libby put fingers to keyboard and told New York Times reporter Judith Miller that she was freed from her promise to protect his identity. He praised her mightily and urged her to "come back to work -- and life." Satisfied, she quit jail after 85 days, testified to Fitzgerald's grand jury and surrendered details she had vowed never to reveal.

Miller's testimony carried Fitzgerald one step closer to the climax of his investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name, an inquiry that a federal judge termed "exhaustive" and President Bush called "dignified." In typical fashion, the Chicago prosecutor interceded personally, with a blend of toughness and flexibility, and pocketed what he needed.

-snip-
News organizations have complained bitterly that Fitzgerald fractured the special relationship between reporters and their sources. White House allies have warned that he will criminalize routine Washington political transactions or impute a coverup where no provable original crime occurred. But federal judges have strongly backed Fitzgerald, who presented secret evidence to persuade an ideologically diverse appeals court that someone committed "a serious breach of public trust."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/23/AR2005102301028.html
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:23 PM
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1. "...a special counsel with no discernible political bent ..." BUT
remember, he's a cat owner. They lean left.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 11:12 AM
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32. Naturally
Furthermore - reported that he went to considerable trouble to adopt a cat.
Furthermore he has an untidy office.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:28 PM
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2. Perfect! There's no room for this admin to impugn
Fitz at all. So they will have to take their lumps.
Sweeeeet!
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:36 PM
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10. Oh, they'll do it, regardless.
These people don't care. They're train to attack anyone and everyone who dare cross them.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 09:29 PM
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3. I like this one: "He's that really strict judge that everyone fears. . ."
<snip>

Someone present when Fitzgerald questioned a witness said he was glad not to be a target.

"He's that really strict judge that everyone fears, not because they think he's going to do the wrong thing, but because they're afraid he might do the right thing," said the source, who has ties to the White House and requested anonymity.

<snip>
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:03 PM
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4. "White House allies have warned that he will criminalize routine
Washington political transactions or impute a coverup where no provable original crime occurred."

Why, thank you for the preview of your defense. That's mighty fair-minded of you.

:)

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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:30 AM
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12. Says A Lot About The State of "Routine Washington Political Transactions"
...under the Bush**ler regime.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:31 AM
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26. And if murder is "common and routine" in the streets?
Does that mean that it shouldn't result in criminal proceedings?
It's a stupid arguement.. childish
"EVERYBODY is drinking at the pro-o-om, Mo-o-om."
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:14 PM
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5. LOOK!
Fitzgerald and his team started with basics, assembling many details before formal questioning began. They cast a wide net for evidence of a conspiracy within the Bush administration, scouring phone records and visitor logs. They tracked a State Department document to Air Force One and obtained notes and correspondence from the upper echelons of the White House. They delved into the deliberations of the White House Iraq Group, created in August 2002 to help the administration build support for the war.

Privately or in front of the grand jury, the special counsel questioned Bush, Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and former CIA director George J. Tenet, along with many aides and spokesmen, particularly on Cheney's staff.


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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:23 PM
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6. Miller must have gotten weak in the knees at this point:
Miller testified, and Fitzgerald prepared to wrap up his inquiry, but not without a final surprise.

A lawyer familiar with Miller's grand jury testimony said the special counsel asked her to discuss all relevant conversations she had with Libby before Novak published Plame's name. When Miller detailed two July 2003 discussions and said she could not remember any others, Fitzgerald begged to differ.

He showed her a page from a White House logbook that recorded a June 23 visit by Miller to Libby at the Old Executive Office Building. Miller corrected herself and soon produced for the grand jury her notes from that meeting.


He knew! He knew when she was still in jail! And he knew she'd try to deny it! :rofl:

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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 10:29 PM
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7. kickerooski
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:05 PM
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8. this part was news to me
A critical early success for Fitzgerald was winning the cooperation of Robert D. Novak, the Chicago Sun-Times columnist who named Plame in a July 2003 story and attributed key information to "two senior administration officials." Legal sources said Novak avoided a fight and quietly helped the special counsel's inquiry, although neither the columnist nor his attorney have said so publicly.

I feel as though the clockwork of the universe has slipped a gear--does this mean that Novak isn't entirely evil? (Well, maybe it's a combination of being less than 100% evil and not wanting to go to jail... I would never suspect him of cooperating just to do the right thing.)
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 11:14 PM
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9. Fitzgerald apparently got him to flip very early on.
There's a lot of information in this article. I have a feeling indictments are coming very soon.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:29 AM
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15. Novak knows how to save his hide
That's why he did this, IMO.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 07:17 AM
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28. They are all cowards. Any singing was done to save their skins,
not because it was the right thing. And yes Novak has been way too quiet, he flipped right away.
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shawn703 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:19 AM
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30. I think Carville knew he flipped, probably from his wife
NOVAK: A couple of points here: The first place, don't be too sure she's going to lose. All the establishment's against her and I've seen these Republican -- anti-establishment candidates who do pretty well. Ronald Reagan, I guarantee you that the establishment wasn't for him. We just elected a senator from Oklahoma, Senator Tom Coburn, everybody in the establishment was against him. She might get elected -- So, wait. Just let me finish what I'm going to say, James. Please, I know you hate to hear me, but you have...

CARVILLE: He's got to show these right wingers that he's got backbone, you know. It's why The Wall Street Journal editorial page is watching you. Show 'em you're tough.

NOVAK: Well, I think that's bullshit. And I hate that. Just let it go.

(Novak leaves set.)
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:03 AM
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11. novak is not tough
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 12:04 AM by Brundle_Fly
he just plays tough on t.v.

like when he claims "that's bullshit" when he was just about to get asked about his involvement in this debacle. He rolled faster than elizabeth taylor discovering her $24,000 versace gown is on fire.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 01:19 AM
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13. The Washington Post is as responsible for the culture of crime and ...
the complete lack of accountability in Washington DC and in the Bush junta, and for the war and the deaths of tens of thousand innocent people, and for the torture of prisoners, and for the utter corruption of our democracy, as is the New York Times, and the rest of the war profiteering corporate news monopolies.

I urge you to distrust everything they say, to sniff out planted material and Bushite and corporate agendas in every fact, characterization, and every emphasis. For instance, there are no "routine political transactions" in Washington among Bushites that are not criminal, and there are almost no non-criminal transactions of any kind within the DC political establishment. This is an illegitimate regime that routinely violates the Constitution, national and international laws, the principles of democracy, and ethical principles, shoves asides laws and principles that it doesn't like and invents its own, and is massively looting the federal treasury, as well as killing and torturing people, and subjecting our own citizens to criminal neglect and highway robbery.

There has never been a more brutal and vicious White House regime in the history of the country, and everyone associated with it in Congress and throughout the political establishment is aiding and abetting its crimes, and conspiring in them. And this is ON TOP OF the routine SELLING of our laws and our resources to private and foreign interests, and the routine purchase of virtually every politician in DC by global corporate predators and other military/corporate interests and the super-rich.

By giving any credibility at all to this view that, a) Fitzgerald, in trying to bring these outright traitors to justice, is "criminalizing routine Washington political transactions"; and b) that there are other political transactions in Washington that are not criminal, is shilling for these predatory interests, and for the Bush junta, the apotheosis of Corporate Misrule.

The Washington Post, like the NYT, is part of the problem. They "stovepipe" news just like Liddy and Feith "stovepiped" intelligence. They cover up, they lie, they prevent any real political discussion; they represent only the rich and powerful, and no one else; and nothing gets onto their pages of so-called news that does not contribute to the further disempowerment and disenfranchisement of the American people.

Re-read the article with these caveats in mind, and ask yourself, why is this news in the Washington Post? You can be certain that the answer is neither to inform you or to enhance our democracy.


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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 05:58 AM
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27. Treason, Bribery, and Other High Crimes and Misdemeanors
Just 'routine political transactions' for this Administration. Very Orwellian, but I guess were not the first to notice that.

Hope more people (especially the media) notice this soon.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:28 AM
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14. Damn
That was a beautiful thing to read.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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16. WP: Patrick Fitzgerald: The steely-eyed sleuth
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9798347/

Patrick Fitzgerald: The steely-eyed sleuth
-------------------
CIA leak probe and its prosecutor seen as tough, but fair
-------------------
Updated: 10:52 p.m. ET Oct. 23, 2005
-------------------

(snip)

So far, Fitzgerald has given neither Republicans nor Democrats grounds to question his motives as he excavated the machinations of a White House that prided itself on its discipline and its ability to push its pro-war message. He did not blink, lawyers and witnesses say, and he did not leak.

(snip)

Casting a net far and wide

Fitzgerald and his team started with basics, assembling many details before formal questioning began. They cast a wide net for evidence of a conspiracy within the Bush administration, scouring phone records and visitor logs. They tracked a State Department document to Air Force One and obtained notes and correspondence from the upper echelons of the White House. They delved into the deliberations of the White House Iraq Group, created in August 2002 to help the administration build support for the war.

Privately or in front of the grand jury, the special counsel questioned Bush, Cheney, former Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and former CIA director George J. Tenet, along with many aides and spokesmen, particularly on Cheney's staff.

To exhaust all possibilities, Fitzgerald questioned a number of witnesses under oath even when he was confident they could add little to the grand jury's knowledge.

Legal sources say he studied inconsistencies and forgotten facts from witnesses, including Rove, whose early testimony differed from Cooper's recollections. Rove, who spoke to the grand jury four times, changed his story after failing to mention that he discussed Wilson and his wife with the Time correspondent.



complete story: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9798347/
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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17. bush is now going to have a cow
It wasn't so long ago, was it, that bush was described as "steely-eyed." Bwahahahahaha!
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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18. I think we tied.
I'll gladly alert on myself.
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truthpusher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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19. you were first and you have the photo! I'm sure they'll pull me soon...
By the way - when I was half-way through my post - my daughter called me in to tuck her in for the night...so I would have been first... :P
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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21. Actually - I already posted it but they must have changed the headline.
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 10:17 PM by Pirate Smile
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1872269&mesg_id=1872269

I just checked - I posted it directly from the WP website and MSNBC has the same article but with a different headline.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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20. Patrick Fitzgerald: The steely-eyed sleuth
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 10:08 PM by hang a left
Patrick Fitzgerald: The steely-eyed sleuth
CIA leak probe and its prosecutor seen as tough, but fair
Image: Special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald


Kevin Wolf / AP
Special counsel Patrick J. Fitzgerald has Washington guessing whether he will bring indictments against top Bush administration officials over the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame.

By Peter Slevin and Carol D. Leonnig
The Washington Post
Updated: 10:52 p.m. ET Oct. 23, 2005

CHICAGO - Patrick J. Fitzgerald's final witness was behind bars, refusing to testify, and no one was budging. Hunting for room to maneuver, the special counsel talked with one side, then the other. He drafted a letter that nudged the witness and needled I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's chief of staff.

Three days later, Libby put fingers to keyboard and told New York Times reporter Judith Miller that she was freed from her promise to protect his identity. He praised her mightily and urged her to "come back to work -- and life." Satisfied, she quit jail after 85 days, testified to Fitzgerald's grand jury and surrendered details she had vowed never to reveal.

Miller's testimony carried Fitzgerald one step closer to the climax of his investigation into the leak of a CIA operative's name, an inquiry that a federal judge termed "exhaustive" and President Bush called "dignified." In typical fashion, the Chicago prosecutor interceded personally, with a blend of toughness and flexibility, and pocketed what he needed.

Even-keeled from the start
Fitzgerald's most difficult and contentious choices -- whether to seek criminal charges -- remain to be announced, possibly this week. Yet in a case with huge political stakes for the White House, a portrait is emerging of a special counsel with no discernible political bent who prepared the ground with painstaking sleuthing and cold-eyed lawyering.

snip>

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9798347/
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Freedomfried Donating Member (684 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:17 AM
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29. This story is going to make one hell of a movie
and one day, far in the future, when I'm old and watching it on TV with my grown up kids,

Explaining it to them..
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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22. I like this photo


You can almost see how sharp he is, just from that picture. He looks like he's thinking very hard about what he's hearing. And he looks pretty steely-eyed, no?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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23. I think he is trying to protect our country from Traitors!!!
You GO FITZY!!!
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DaveColorado Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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24. nominated and kicked
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 01:00 AM by DaveColorado
This is a man we can trust to be non-partisan in his investigation.

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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 04:58 AM
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25. I'll say...
...and leak-free... takes his job seriously....

I know he already has the authority in this investigation, but I think I'd like to see him actually be Attorney General.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 09:26 AM
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31. someone committed "a serious breach of public trust."
I hope it isn't a whitewash and I don't think it is. Apparently he has already shown Partisan judges of both stripes that he has serious evidence of crimes, and they have agreed..
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