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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 05:50 PM
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Profits Likely Won't Mean New Oil Refineries
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Profits Likely Won't Mean New Refineries
By BRAD FOSS, AP Business Writer
2 hours, 46 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Don't expect the oil industry to boost fuel production merely to deflect criticism from Congress about soaring prices and profits.

Energy executives and analysts insist that in spite of the supply crunch that has kept oil above $50 a barrel for much of the year, demand and prices are still prone to ups and downs, so the industry should not rush to drill wells and expand refineries just because it is flush with cash.

"A surplus of supply is not good for the industry," Shell Oil Co. president John Hofmeister said in an interview on Friday. "Just as a surplus of demand is not good for industry. We strive for balance."

Hofmeister, speaking by phone from his corporate jet upon leaving Washington, said "we will continue to work as an industry to increase supplies to the American people." But he said Shell executives were still debating whether it makes economic sense to expand the capacity of refineries it owns jointly with Saudi Refining Inc.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:09 PM
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1. It has nothin to do with ups and downs

why drill (spending $$$) for stuff they know they won't find?

why build more refineries (or tanker ships) to refine a decreasing supply of crude?

Peak oil is here.
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:11 PM
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2. They need to be spending that profit on solar panels and wind farms
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:18 AM
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15. See post #14
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:32 PM
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3. How about that package of tax breaks meant to stimulate
oil production? (as if I didn't already know)
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:40 PM
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4. I keep hearing from the Wingnuts that
EPA regulations prevent the oil industry from building new refineries, now they aren't going to build them because it would cause a surplus. I heard a report recently that the Saudis wanted to build a refinery in this country and were refused permission. Another thing if they can't build a refinery in the US, why not build one next door in Mexico. Hmmmmm?
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:52 PM
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6. They haven't wanted to build refineries, not profitable for them
I heard an oil industry expert on CNBC recently say that only one company has even applied for a new refinery in the gulf within the last several years. They got permission and approval but never went ahead to build it. Only reason he know of was that there was no reason for them to invest so much money on a new refinery that would only raise supply and lower the price when they were already poised to make so much with the rising cost of oil without any new construction costs.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:16 PM
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7. You posted my exact thoughts. Kind of scary if you knew my brain.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 09:38 PM
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11. Just saw Jim Cramer on Scarborough defending
the the oil companies profits claiming they will take that money and build more refineries. He claimed they have been hurting for money for 18 years and the same old argument that they can't build refineries because of the EPA. If that's the case why not build them in Mexico and bypass the EPA and get cheap labor.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:15 AM
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13. The Saudis offered to build new refineries,
if we would take care of the permitting. There were no takers then, but I've wondered whether the * decision to offer up federal properties, like military bases, for refineries was related to the Saudi offer.

The Saudis are currently producing all grades of crude, including a heavy, sour grade that they can't get rid of because so few refineries can turn the sulfurous goo into a significant amount of high value products like gasoline and diesel. Any additional Saudi output likely will be of the same grade.

It would greatly benefit the Saudis if the largest importer of crude were able to refine its hard to sell product now and in the future.

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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 06:52 PM
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5. The last time Mobil had high profits, they shut down refineries and
bought Montgemery Wards!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:25 PM
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8. Bunch of crap
the reason that they won't build refineries (and haven't since the 70's) is because they know that supplies are going to be dwindling over the next decade or two.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:32 PM
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9. Gee I wonder why... (nt)
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-28-05 07:58 PM
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10. Of course not, isn't that what Helliburtin is going to do with
NO recovery money?
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 03:12 AM
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12. I could structure a tax that would make more refineries
look like a great idea.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:18 AM
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14. Constrict the supply, kill us off, save the rest for themselves.
No need for alternative energy, which will remain "obsolete".

That's YOUR future, folks.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:20 AM
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16. Profits are up on the backs of Americans. I hope they are proud.
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