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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 05:59 AM
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Feingold urges probe of ‘phony evidence’ for war
Congress needs to “investigate the whole mess” related to “phony evidence to justify a war” in the wake of Friday’s indictment of the vice president’s chief of staff, U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold said Friday in La Crosse.

But that might not happen because Republicans control both houses of Congress, and any committee chairman who dares to call hearings won’t be a chairman for long, the Wisconsin Democrat told reporters.

I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby Jr., the top aide to Vice President Dick Cheney, faces charges of obstruction of justice, perjury and making false statements in the investigation of who leaked CIA agent Valerie Plame’s name to the press in an effort to discredit her husband, diplomat Joseph Wilson. Wilson, a critic of going to war with Iraq, had questioned Bush’s assertion Iraq had sought nuclear material from Niger.

Feingold said he remembers President Bush saying Iraq was trying to buy components of weapons of mass destruction from Niger and Feingold believed it didn’t make sense, based on what he knows about Africa.

more:http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2005/10/29/news/z01feingold.txt
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 06:34 AM
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1. Thank you , Mr. Feingold. Thanks for posting.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 06:43 AM
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2. Go Russ Go
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:24 AM
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35. For ShrubCo, his is the most threatening part of the Fitzgerald inquiry.
The Repukes know that pending and active indictments mean that the war itself will be on trial. Given that their whole platform is national security--blah, blah, blah--the hyocrisy will be obvious to even some diehard Shrub fans.

Snicker, snicker, snicker...
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Domitan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 06:56 AM
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3. Great Slogan for 2006
"If you want the truth behind the Iraq War, vote Dems. Voting GOP will keep the truth hidden." or something like that.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:33 PM
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10. Too long....
When speaking to the American public you need to keep it short and simple for the masses....the "Got Milk?" or "Just Do It" type slogans...

Try something more like: "Truth or Lies? Choose Truth - VOTE DEM '08"

:hi:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:41 PM
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18. How about Got truth.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 12:25 PM
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42. I like it! Or how about...
Got morals?
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mb7588a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:26 PM
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26. "Truth or Lies? Choose Truth - VOTE DEM '08"
That's not simple. lost of punctuation and capitalizing and confusion. :P
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twenty4blackbirds Donating Member (418 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 06:49 AM
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29. "Choose Truth. DEM '08"
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 10:40 PM
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47. How about:
"Vote Democratic

Because we think you CAN handle the truth."?
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:22 AM
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4. Did Feingold vote to authorize the war? I don't remember.
I'd like to explore further the possibility of this man as a candidate.
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 07:27 AM
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5. Feingold voted against the war. n/t
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Charles19 Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:49 PM
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46. Unfortunately there was NOT a vote to go to war
They voted to authorize the president to decide, which is 100% unconstitutional.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 08:59 AM
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6. Keep up the pressure, Russ!
and maybe some of those spineless jellyfish we call Democrats will join the call.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:14 PM
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25. Some 9 democrats have already preceded him 6 months ago
Hopefully, this time, many will follow.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 08:40 AM
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30. 10 Dem Senators still waiting for Russ to sign the DSM letter of inquiry
that would have forced the Intel Committee to finish the investigation into Iraq intel and how the WH used it.

For 5 months now, Feingold has refused to add his name to that senate letter.

Now that he is getting extra attention from the media, it would help if he changes his mind and signs the letter NOW.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:24 AM
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36. Didn't know about that
You're absolutely right. I'll contact Russ about it.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:02 AM
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7. Obstruction of Justice is Par for the Course for Republicans
They will never investigate themselves and if forced to do so they will obstruct and LIE at every opportunity. It has been demonstrated time and time again..
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:09 AM
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8. Good for him. He's got the moral high ground on this one for sure
He voted against this entering into this mess.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:16 AM
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9. Feingold has a clear vision and a clear conscience
He'll get my vote anytime for anything.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:42 PM
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11. Dems in Congress ARE on the case, although Senate not signatories
See at Rep Maurice Hinchey's website, Dems growing spine in Congress:

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny22_hinchey/morenews/102805libbyindictments.html

http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny22_hinchey/morenews/091505fitzgeraldletter.html

Names of reps in Congress who signed Hinchey's letter to Fitz:

The 40 other House members who signed Hinchey's letter to Fitzgerald are: Congressmen Neil Abercrombie (HI-01), Tammy Baldwin (WI-02), Xavier Becerra (CA-31), Wm. Lacy Clay (MO-01), John Conyers, Jr. (MI-14), Sam Farr (CA-17), Ra? Grijalva (AZ-07), Luis V. Gutierrez (IL-04), Michael M. Honda (CA-15), Sheila Jackson Lee (TX-18), Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02), Marcy Kaptur (OH-09), Carolyn C. Kilpatrick (MI-13), Dennis J. Kucinich (OH-10), Barbara Lee (CA-09), Jim McDermott (WA-07) James P. McGovern (MA-03), Cynthia McKinney (GA-04), Carolyn B. Maloney (NY-14), Doris Matsui (CA-05), George Miller (CA-07), James P. Moran (VA-08), Jerrold Nadler (NY-08), Richard E. Neal (MA-02), Frank Pallone, Jr. (NJ-06), Donald M. Payne (NJ-10), Charles B. Rangel (NY-15), Martin Olav Sabo (MN-05), Bernard Sanders (VT-AL), Jan Schakowsky (IL-09), José …. Serrano (NY-16), Louise Slaughter (NY-28), Hilda L. Solis (CA-32), Fortney Pete Stark (CA-13), Edolphus Towns (NY-10) Maxine Waters (CA-35), Lynn Woolsey (CA-06), David Wu (OR-01), and Albert R. Wynn (MD-04) (plus one unrecognizable signature).
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 06:00 PM
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17. Ten Democrats signed a letter demanding the Senate Intelligence
Committee investigate the manipulation of intelligence (WMD, Part 2) - that Kerry wrote. This is broader than the House action and that is the correct committee. People should push their Senators to sign it.
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:26 PM
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27. LINK to LETTER? I will push my senators to do, both Dems, CT
We'll see if Lieberman will sign on. I trust Dodd will.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:55 AM
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32. Here.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:45 AM
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39. Sorry, should have done so - Thanks Mass
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 12:48 PM
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12. Feingold to the rescue!
Could this be the beginning?

I'm getting a feeling of hope.

I don't know if it could jeopardize the grand jury actions. My guess is that it's very important.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 01:01 PM
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13. Say Supplement, Rather Than Jeopardize
if the hearings are co-ordinated with the grand jury, and no immunities given, then this would be a very valuable, worthwhile thing to do.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:00 PM
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22. Is he going to sign the DSM letter than 10 senators have sent
4 months ago?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 01:05 PM
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14. What was it about Africa that made him doubt the Niger incident?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 04:48 PM
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15. Feingold should sign Kerry's letter to the Senate Intelligence
Committee requesting precisely this - Kerry requested they complete the promised WMD, part II which was to deal with whether the intellignce was manipulated by the administration (It also mentioned the DSM)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:48 PM
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20. Agreed, needed him 6 months ago
when Senate Dems were trying to get this investigation back in front of the media so people would put pressure on the Senate to get the investigation finished like it was supposed to have been.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 05:55 PM
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16. One hopes that Fitzgerald will crack this open slowly but surely
And that the political balance will shift in congress in time, so that the whole criminal enterprise can be brought into the light of day.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:26 PM
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19. Rockefeller calls for investigation, if not by congress, then independent
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 09:29 PM by Wordie
It is great that Feingold and our congressional dems are standing united on this issue!

Sen. Rockefeller (D-WV) is the ranking member of the Senate Intelligence Committee. He says efforts by congress to investigate have been thwarted, and if the Republicans will not agree to a congressional investigation, then there will be an independent one.

From Sen. Rockefeller's website: http://rockefeller.senate.gov/news/2005/pr102805.html

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
October 28, 2005

SENATOR ROCKEFELLER’S STATEMENT ON SPECIAL PROSECUTOR FITZGERALD’S INDICTMENT OF WHITE HOUSE OFFICIAL SCOOTER LIBBY

“It is a terrible day for all Americans when a top White House official is accused of lying and obstructing justice, made all the worse when it’s about a national security matter.

“Revealing the identity of a covert agent is the type of leak that gets people killed. Not only does it end the person’s career, and whatever assignments they may have been working on, it puts that person in grave personal danger as well as their colleagues and all the people they have had contact with over the years.

“These very serious charges go to the heart of whether administration officials misused intelligence by disclosing an undercover CIA agent. They also heighten concerns that the administration engaged in a pattern of misusing intelligence to make the case for going to war with Iraq.

“To date, Congress has completely failed to answer these critical questions. The fact is that at any time the Senate Intelligence Committee pursued a line of questioning that brought us close to the White House, our efforts were thwarted. If my Republican colleagues are not prepared to undertake a full and serious congressional investigation into the potential misuse of intelligence, then I regretfully conclude that we have no choice but to pursue an outside independent investigation. The American people deserve answers and they want the truth.”

“We must send a strong message to all the patriotic Americans in our intelligence agencies who continue to serve their country at great personal risk. Our government and our judicial system will not tolerate those who leak classified information and put the lives of others at risk.”
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:01 PM
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23. Good for him too - too bad he was not there when needed 5 months ago
He could have signed the DSM letter asking exactly that.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 09:56 PM
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21. He said the same thing at a fundraiser in Burnsville, MN
last night.

He also said that, when he was in Iraq, he asked a general to tell him, strictly off the record, if setting a date for withdrawal would really make the insurgents stronger. It was a the general's opinion that a timeline would completely take the wind out of their sails. If the Iraqis knew when we were leaving, it would blow the argument that this is an endless occupation and we will have to be forced out. A lot of lives, both American and Iraqi, could be saved with a timeline.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-29-05 10:03 PM
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24. Good to see that the Libby's indictment pushes him to do that
Edited on Sat Oct-29-05 10:10 PM by Mass
Feingold is not a wuss. I never understood why he did not do that 6 months ago with the 9 other ones.

In fact, Reid said the same thing yesterday, I think.

May be the Senate will become serious about doing something now that Libby has been indicted.
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:37 AM
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28. Never believe that small groups of people can't change the world.
After all, those are the only ones who ever have.

I'm paraphrasing a quote here.

(I don't know who the originator was. Sorry.)
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Treclo Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 09:28 AM
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31. Margaret Meade
made that quote, I think.

Go Russ!
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:34 PM
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41. Changing the subject a little:
Never believe that ONE person can't change the world. Consider Rosa Parks.
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:13 AM
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33. I don't get it.
We have a foot in the door....it's time for all Congress people to step up and insist on an investigtion or we need new people who will get the job done.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:23 AM
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34. Two noteworthy Feingold essays
Sen. Feingold: "How the President's Policy is Weakening America"
Topic started by paineinthearse on Sep-29-05 01:04 PM (20 replies)
Last modified by Cocoa on Sep-29-05 11:21 PM

Sen. Feingold: "*'s policies in Iraq are breaking the US Army"
Topic started by paineinthearse on Sep-29-05 01:06 PM (8 replies)
Last modified by paineinthearse on Sep-29-05 08:17 PM

Both are in the GD archives.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:24 AM
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37. Phony evidence... YES YES Say it loud and often
Edited on Sun Oct-30-05 11:24 AM by cassiepriam
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LaloBorges Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 11:34 AM
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38. "Feingold urges probe of ‘phony evidence’ for war"
The question that must be asked here, which is a darker question to all this.

ingWas the intent of disclosing Valerie Plame's undercover expose her to the enemy and thus get her killed? Is that one of the many ways that Pat Robertson (I know he has nothing to do with this one) would qualify as "there are many ways to get rid of someone"?
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-30-05 01:32 PM
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40. Why I want him to be President. (nt)
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second edition Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:12 PM
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43. Kerry asked the Senate Intelligence Committee recently to continue
their investigations into the lead up to the war and included within his letter, was the mention of the DSM. Only, a couple senators signed it at the time. I think we need to urge our other senators to sign on to this letter and request for further investigation into the intelligence and the lead up to the Iraqi war.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 01:34 PM
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44. I'm skeptical.
Why is Ledeen in favor of a congressional investigation?

Seems to me a way to roadblock.

Let the prosecutor handle things.
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conscious Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-31-05 08:33 PM
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45. 2 More Things Congress Should Investigate
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