President Bush Says 'there is reason to be concerned' About Flu

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Not only does the lying affect his poll numbers; if affects everyone in this country. If we have to question whether or not to take him seriously, then getting a flu shot seems less important. If the flu does hit big, then people will die because of the lies he's told us before.

President Bush is an assface.

More than 20 million .. no ???

So who get's the vaccine... friends of the reich ??

for you: you CANNOT stop an epidemic of disease by only vaccinating 8% of the population. It's a drop in the bucket. He's going to have to do a WHOLE LOT BETTER.

and a fatality rate of 60%, then we're probably looking at 50 million dead in the USA alone.

Is 30% too high for a virulent flu? (I honestly don't know. I'm looking for info.)

Ask Asia, it has yet to mutate there and they have been dealing with the bird flu for how long?

I guess they are immune. :shrug:

However, when a million or more die there then we can hit the PANIC button.

merely relying on science and the World Health Organization & Centers for Disease Control which are both saying it isn't a matter of "if," it's a matter of "how soon." Many of the previous influenza pandemics have been mutated Avian Flu strains, and we're seeing increasing numbers of people that are testing positive for Avian flu in a wider range than in the past. I don't think this is all Bushit. I think there's really something to be concerned about.

And for those that keep referring to this as another SARS, it has been shown that SARS was a relatively non-virulent strain of disease, whereas AVian Flu is virulent enough that people living in close proximity with another species are contracting it. When it mutates into a human-to-human contagious form, it is very likely to be both virulent and deadly (as have Avian Flu strains in the past).

exceed 30% by a huge margin. I also, however, don't think it could stay at anywhere near 60% mortality. These bugs tend to decrease in mortality, as the longer a patient survives to spread the bug, the greater the likelihood it can successfully propagate through a population.

But it's really just wishful thinking on my part. Who knows what the ultimate truth will be?

to have the most stupidest leader in a time of a potential pandemic. I mean, pandemic has the potential to kill 100 millions in the U.S and we put billions of dollars in wars and terrorism defense??? Where in the world is our brains int his country????????????? On top of that, during Bush's speech, he blamed lawsuites for the lack of vaccine manufacturers??? NO, you moron, its the fact that our gov't wasn't prepared enough and why other countries who are more socialistic are more prepared than us!!!!!! OH MY GOD. Im going to Canada.

Don't give up yet :-)

peace.

I thought it was 2 million. :shrug:

When has any type of flu killed a 100 million people? Just asking...

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I thought it was 60 out of 100 or so people that has died from bird flu in Asia. And that's over 2 years!

I don't see how you can predict 100 millions of people will die based on that.

Do you have any credible sources/links to back this up?

the disease with state-of-the-art medical care, you also have to factor in what happens when the medical care system completely breaks down as it gets overwhelmed by the sheer numbers of sick.

A worst-case scenario for Avian Flu H5N1 would be, quite simply, apocalyptic.

When a million Chinese die let me know. I've read/heard that if/when it mutates it will most likely happen in Asia.

Until then I will "prepare" but I'm not going to fall for Bush scare tactics.

about a million dead Chinese. We have airline travel now. THEIR problem is OUR problem.

They actually have no proof of its mortality rate because they don't know how many people have had it and not gotten treatment for it. Kinda like SARS. They thought the mortality was really high, but it turned out it was only like 10% when they actually tested people for antibodies to the virus.

killed an estimated 50m to 100m worldwide. If this one follows the same fatality rates and spread, etc., we're looking at a potential 180m to 360m worldwide. That's enough to cause economic collapse in many areas...

" What would an avian flu pandemic look like? The WHO says that because nothing like H5N1 has circulated in humans before, we have virtually no immune defense, unlike most common flu viruses. The last universal flu outbreak was the Spanish flu of 1918-19, which killed between 50 million and 100 million people worldwide. If avian flu acts similarly, scientists estimate between 180 million and 360 million deaths worldwide, and close to 2 million in the United States. More conservative estimates, cited by the CDC as a "medium-level epidemic," place U.S. deaths at 207,000. And these numbers of course don't account for the panic that would grip the world economy, as quarantines shut down trade and markets. In short, the consequences of a pandemic of avian flu would be catastrophic"

Fifth paragraph at http://washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20050723-092112-4655r.htm

not in the United States...

She/he said 100 millions in the US alone...

How many died in the US?

" An estimated 675,000 Americans died of influenza during the pandemic, ten times as many as in the world war. "

http://www.stanford.edu/group/virus/uda/

But they claimed potential for 100s of millions in the US for this Avaian flu, and someone asked if there was ever a flu that killed so many as 100 million (or so I thought... maybe I misread it)...

Because now we have an airhead that doesn't care.

What a horror!

I have always felt safe being an American, until now.

It's not 100 millions.

It wasn't even that many WORLDWIDE during the 1918 Spanish Flu

In Ottawa, Canada's chief public health officer said the world was both better and worse equipped to cope with a pandemic now than it was for the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic that killed some 50 million people worldwide.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051020/ts_nm/birdflu_dc

This was common in many states.

There weren't 100 million people in that state or the United States at that time, but had there been, a significant number would have been killed.

You can look up the 1820 influenza epidemic on the web.

And we only know that because the world was better at counting by then.

My work is on 1558-59 flu pandemic and there are no figures. The records failed. A number of English towns lost about 50% of their ruling councils in those two years.

In the 6 months between 1918 and 1919, 700,000 Americans died, 200,000 in 1918 alone. Over the planet, about 50,000,000 died. That's getting mighty close.

Oh my GOD!!!

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That is below low even for a knuckledraggingsuckassmule like W

They have no shame. Disgusting.

Last year when we had the big vaccine shortage for the annual flu (not the avian flu), there were only two drug companies manufacturing it. One was a French pharma which put out a good, safe vaccine. The other was an England based subsidiary of a US pharma. Their vaccines were contaminated and had to be pulled from the market. Background was that the US Pharma leased a British drug manufacturing facility which had previously been shut down at least twice for contamination of the meds produced. However, the FDA wasn't checking out the UK facility and the contaminated vaccines would have been distributed in the US, but for the fact that the Brits kept monitoring the facility. the first time the Brits found a contaminated batch, the good ole US corporate managers tried to say it was an isolated instance of one batch which had been contaminated and Bush's compromised FDA would have gone along with it. However, the Brits checked further and forced the whole operation to shut down. There were no contaminated vaccines distributed, and no lawsuits filed. However many Americans, like me, were unable to obtain a flu shot and were sick as dogs for several weeks.

The reason given by the big pharmas for not manufacturing flu vaccines is that every year the flu virus mutates and requires a different vaccine. Any vaccines not used in one flu season are absolutely worthless to Big Pharma the following year/ flu season. AND they have to go to the expense of researching and developing the NEW vaccine. So they put their money in drugs which can be sold for many years, once they've been developed.

I dare Bush to come up with ONE SINGLE LAWSUIT over a flu shot! Now if that contaminated vaccine had gotten into the population, the results would have been a lot of people much sicker than if they had gotten the flu, and I expect many deaths, in that people at risk for poor health would have gotten the contaminated shots. It is precisely the risk of getting their asses sued which keeps Big Pharma minimally careful. Certainly the compromised FDA is letting them get by with rushing products to the market without adequate testing, and the FDA would have allowed those contaminated flu shots onto the US market.

FEDS - $600 MIL. VACCINE LAWSUITS
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=1346

Saturday, October 15, 2005 - FreeMarketNews.com

According to the government's own statistics, in this year alone, the Health Resources and Services Administration, of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, has paid out $57,589,828.07 to individuals and families of individuals who were killed or maimed by vaccinations.

Statistics show that since 1988, when the first payments were made, the total has been over $666 million, including repayment attorney's fees and court costs, in cases where the petitions were denied. The level of complaints has not been enormous, averaging only about 60-70 settlements each year out of between 500 and 1000 petitions, and 150 cases going to adjudication - however given the contention that vaccines are harmless, even these modest numbers raise sizeable questions. Additionaly, if there are regular complications from vaccines it is not at all certain that the individuals or families recognize it; thus many may not have chosen litigation who could have.



The above is from underpants' post in the General Discussion page - there's more info there too.

Bye the way, welcome to DU :toast:

not making $500,000 per year are left out?

fortunate in one fell swoop.

Who's gonna clean their houses, look after their kids, keep up their yards and golf courses, wash and clip their dogs, etc.?

the world health organization recommends that flu vaccines should cover 25% of the population. We only have enough to cover 2%? France is prepared, so is Canada. Were not prepared. So much for free market, I want big gov't!

...of the world's population. That's using current in vivo production techniques.

on edit-- but a vaccine could not be produced for at least 6-12 mos after the initiation of a pandemic, and that's when the greatest proportion of the mortality is likely to occur.

If you immunize enough people, the virus won't be able to spread as rapidly. So even if you aren't immune, you have a relatively good chance of not getting the virus if there are a lot of people immunized against it and therefore can't spread it.

but when do they plan on starting these immunizations? My company is giving regular flu shots today. I just received mine, the nurse reminded me that I am not fully immune for two weeks.

Is *'s plan to start immunizing once the bird flu is found in the US? I would think that would be too late.

I believe this is a huge scare tactic to frighten my elderly grandmother and her friends into thinking that * is looking out for them. This is *'s Chicken Little moment!!!

...strain emerges. Production will take 6-12 mos. Current production methods simply cannot shave much off of this. Remember, during the 1918 pandemic, most of the deaths occurred within the first 8 mos or so.

So we wait, then create a vaccine for a flu that will have mutated to something else before the vaccine can be administered? You gotta love this country...:sarcasm:

...but that IS a possiblity. It's remote though.

The human flu from H5N1 does not yet exist (or at least hasnt been identified).

When it exists the development work on a vaccine can start. That is by definition too late.

See http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/en/

result in herd immunity.

Sometimes I think I would be a happier person if I had never got that degree in microbiology..........:scared:

and i kind of agree with being happier without the micro degree - Me and you are in the same boat - trying to get the correct info out to people who don't have a high enough understanding in the subject - all the while the govt. is scaring the pants off people.

I didn't realize it would only be 8% of the population - you are right, thats not enough. Not that it will matter much anyway, they can't make a vaccine for the specific virus until it happens - hopefully the vaccine they are making for the current virus will give enough protection against a mutated virus to slow the spread. Scary times :scared:

And it ain't the Democrats.

update:

Breaking News -- PRECIOUS LITTLE OF WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE!

Here we go again! :eyes:

Could it be that his poll numbers go up when there is an alert? I do think his poll numbers indicate CPR is in order. Could it be that he wants to be generous to cronies-like Rummsfeld? Oh, always a good choice to make sure your friends earn enough so they can give you juicy donations. Could it be a chance to be seen in charge? Really, last week he had his gonads handed to him by the far right with reguards to Meirs, Fitzgerald reguarding leaks from a here to for leak proof WH, and Iraqi death odometer rolled over to 2000. He needs to come out swinging cause it is a long time to 2009.

dumb-ass wet brain alcoholic drug addict spoiled brat class sociopath

20 million, sounds like the elect to me.

I'm just going to hope for the best I guess

It's just Rove back on the job.
Scare us all into forgetting the scandal.

The boogieman is back.

This pandemic is very real! It's just that because of society's apathy we are just NOW taking it serious while other countries have been preparing for this for awhile. We have just been distracted by less important issues, as always. Now at the last minute Bush finally addresses the issue on a serious note???? NOW??? It's a bit too late you moronic brian dead red neck! Im going to Canada now, who wants to join me? They have enough vaccines.

Nobody in the world has any vaccines at all, nor can they have because the human flu from H5N1 doesn't yet exist.

We need to be ready to develop, make and distribute vaccine, that is all we can do. Make good, well-funded plans.

And even though it is coming out of W's mouth doesn't automatically make it wrong. Well. Maybe he's accidentally right this time. And yes of course he is using this for the most part to scare the population as poll numbers are down. That's what he lives that's what he knows. But he has some valid points. We need to understand and prepare for things like pandemics once they appear on the scientific radar. I'm glad he's throwing money at it now, but it will probably be too little too late. Most of the money will probably go to health departments trying to upgrade their equipment to mid 1990's level technology.

Things like this need to be tracked by the scientific community, and this should have been done long ago. We should have been preparing for things like this. This may have been done if the adults in the room were in charge. But this will turn into another Katrina debacle, with many more people dead than there ought to have been.

And all their other Pharmaceutical friends?

Quite frankly, I would NOT take any "said" bird flu vaccine...for fear of it being tainted. Do you really think this group wants to save the masses, or conviently stand by and watch us die?

It does NOT take a tin-foil hat to remember the actions of this Admin. during Katrina. That WAS and IS who they are. We are expendable numbers, whose property they'd gladly auction off and sale via revised rules of "eminiment domain."

This FLU (IF it does in fact develop or mutate) will be less naturally occurring, than Neo-con induced.

excellent post! :thumbsup:

Rummy's pharmcuetical company developed Tamiflu. It is not in the vaccine business at all.

:scared:

I will NEVER forget what they did to the NOLA victims and are STILL doing to them! :puke:

"This FLU (IF it does in fact develop or mutate) will be less naturally occurring, than Neo-con induced."

IF IT DOES IN FACT DEVELOP OR MUTATE.

I wish people would remember that.

A flu pandemic is POSSIBLE.

An asteroid hitting the earth is also POSSIBLE. A lot of things are possible. That doesn't mean their going to happen.

With the media hoes and the admin harping and hyping about a flu pandemic, they've got a lot of the general public thinking that we're going to live through, or die in, a scenario like Stephen King's THE STAND.

who should beware of the bird flu.

remember when he planned to vaccinate all healthcare and first responders against terra-terra-smallpox? He started with nurses and after several dropped dead after getting the vaccination, the American Nurses Association and nurses said wait a minute, "mandatory my ass". He used the nurses as Guinea pigs, and I think they will be very, very wary of any planned "mandatory" injections from dumya.

when Bush leaves it to a private market to develope vaccines at the last minute and then at the same time argue against vaccine lawsuites?? He has hard time blaming the industry for anything, it's always the peoples fault. We need democrats in power now, impeach Bush.

"I don't see how you can predict 100 millions of people will die based on that."

Sorry, I mean world wide, not in the U.S alone. It's what the experts are saying, not me. The world health organization says we need to protect at least 25% of the population, so in the U.S that would be up to 75 million people in the U.S. Just to give you a estimate of how many people could potentially get infected and also how many could die, which could easily be around 15 million people I would estimate. That's just me.

Just don't listen to my numbers at all, Im just freaking out in a irrational way and its causing me to spew out numbers unheard of. Damn coffee, I need to cut back.

The death rate from the small pox vaccine has always been high. There are many contraindications - i for example cannot get it because i have eczema - many of the people who died did so because they didn't pay attention to the contraindications.

Oh - and the only mandatory vaccinations for small pox are in the military - not nurses. Some nurses chose to get vaccinated because they were on the "bioterrorism team" at their respective hospitals

1. http://winnipeg.indymedia.org/item.php?1913S

"War Tsar, Donald Rumsfeld, in 1997 was exalted to chairmen of the Gilead Corporation (creators of Tamiflu), and holds significant shares in the company. As the bird flu scare winds-up Tamiflu stands to pull in record amounts of cash and now deals are bing worked out between a multitude of companies wanting to manufacture Tamiflu. Just follow the money - who stands to profit? "
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2. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2005/241005fluscam.htm

Bilderbergers, Rumsfeld Profit from Avian Flu Scam

Global News Matrix | October 24 2005

You can't make any real money without a boogeyman, and the new "Bird Flu" hoax is the latest scam used to generate profits for pharmaceutical company insiders.

"Finally, the pieces of the puzzle start to add up," writes Dr. Joseph Mercola, author of the "Total Health Program." "President Bush sought to instill panic in this country by telling us a minimum of 200,000 people will die from the avian flu pandemic but it could be as bad as 2 million deaths in this country alone."
http://mercola.com/blog/2005/oct/19/rumsfeld_to_profit_from_avian_flu_hoax

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There are many more articles out there - just enter Rumsfeld and Avian in any good search service.

You can call it Rummy's Flu. Or Bilder Flu.

I didn't think * believed in science, or in cause and effect. If it weren't for the fear and distraction factors I think this would be going the way of global warming and Darwinism.

this past Sunday night...
They said that the US only has Tamiflu (which is not necessarily going to do anything against this bird flu) for

1%

of the population.
France is already prepared with Tamiflu for 20%
Canada for 17%
Britain for 25%

There will be no vaccine for the bird flu until at least one year AFTER it hits us, and I doubt the world will be able to manufacture it fast enough at that point.

They had a scenario of ONE person arriving in the US with symptoms not yet developed, and how it would spread just from that one person.
Unfortunately, there will be many more than "patient zero" , there may be many "patients zero". Anyway, within 21 days, their scenario was 3 million deaths in the US, more patients than hospitals could handle, breakdown of infrastructure, and ultimately pretty much of a world wide depression, as countries fell under the disease.
That's just 3 weeks. They said it would go on for months, possibly years, before the whole thing was over.

I'm sure they will air it again; keep a watch out for the program.
I was kinda skeptical, too, but when they had all these people from the WHO and CDC and medical specialists from around the world, I started to listen.

It is easy to mock **'s response to this very serious threat, but take into account that if you get this flu, you may just need a respirator to survive.... and how many of you own respirators?

There is no vaccine, and Tamiflu just may not do the trick either.
Stock up those food supplies, kids, and do it for at least several months because there aren't going to be any grocery stores open during this.
There won't be enough caskets to store the dead in. I was shockced to hear that Inova hospital, here in Virginia, is planning to use underground parking lots as morgues. That is what sobered me up about this.

Every 1 in 4 Brits will be protected, but only one in 15 Americans.

I don't trust the motives of this at all

Money for drug companies
forced vaccinations
unable to sue for improper or damage done by the vaccination
money to Rumsfield
generating fear to the public ie.9-11 to manipulate the masses and media
the costs here are not the costs in other countries for the same program

I agree with your list, especially wanting to control us with fear, along with help from the msm.

(I can see that Karl Rove is back to work.....)

against the contagion of Rove & Cheney.

Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- President George W. Bush today announced a $7.1 billion plan to prepare the U.S. for a possible avian influenza outbreak, including $1 billion to stockpile anti- viral drugs and $1.2 billion to produce a new vaccine.

``No nation can afford to ignore this threat,'' Bush said in a speech today at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland. ``Our country has been given fair warning of this danger to our homeland and time to prepare.''

Bush said to insure there is enough vaccine manufacturing capacity he is proposing to shield drugmakers from product liability lawsuits. His plan includes funds to stockpile anti- viral medicines such as Roche Holding AG's Tamiflu and to help state and local governments draft response plans.


the most important part of this article, in addition to the 7.2 billion dollars of our money, is this "Bush said to insure there is enough vaccine manufacturing capacity he is proposing to shield drugmakers from product liability lawsuits I hear "contaminated vaccines produced by Rummy's company Gilead who has the contract to produce the vaccine for Roche"

These people are so evil that I would not put it past them to manufacture a virus so virulent that it kills millions (think aids) so that Rumsfeld can make lots more money.

for Corporate and protecting them! I would much die from flu than to getting the shot! I am prepare with natural alternative to combat the flu when and if breaks out.

This Bush plan the way I read it, lets take the money from the little guys and give it to CORPORATE!!!

it to our friends. Oh, Donald Rumsfeld. How prescient of you to buy Gilead stock, they can make Tamiflu. That's the ticket. :grr::rant:

just impossible because for the bird flu virus 2 jump 2 humans, it would have 2 EVOLVE and we all know intelligent design won't allow that 2 happen.

Thats all I heard - the rest was pure bull...

All this is an attempt to shield the pharmaceutical companies from liability suits...

nm

I'll bet Bush would agree that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. Just because it comes out of Bush's mouth is not reason to immediately discount it. That's dangerous.

umm nevermind. :)

has used every disaster (some Bush-induced)to mount a massive power-grab for his corporate cronies. He doesn't care about protecting Americans; is there even a VACCINE for the bird-flu? What good will 20 million doses do, anyway?
He infects everything he touches.... Stay away,Typhoid Georgie.

This flu bug needs to mutate 15 to 20 times before it can transmit human to human. It has not mutated ONCE since we discovered it in 1993. So why again are we so concerned?

:shrug:

mess that bush is in?

:scared:

I know it's a medical device but shit.....

he comes out with something i AGREE about.

That's it, I'm sure it won't be a problem now.

Thank gawd that bird flu was just another GOP Vaporscare.

1) In order to be effective, Tamiflu needs to be given early-on when you have the flu.

2) You need a prescription to get it from your doctor.

3) Poor people have less access to doctors than rich people.

4) Rich people will be more likely to have the chance to take time-off from work to see a doctor than poor people will, and they will have an easier time getting access to a doctor.

5) Poor people will go to crowded Emergency Rooms when they have symptoms, where they will very likely become infected if they haven't been already.

On the heels of "Operation: Drown The Negroes" in New Orleans now comes, "Operation: Exterminate The Poor."

:bounce:

They all made

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Stewart Simonson
Assistant Secretary for Public Health and Emergency Preparedness, Department of Health and Human Services

According to his official biography, Stewart Simonson is the Health and Human Services Department's point man "on matters related to bioterrorism and other public health emergencies." Hopefully, he has taken crash courses on smallpox and avian flu, because, prior to joining HHS in 2001, Simonson's background was not in public health, but ... public transit. He'd previously been a top official at the delay-plagued, money-hemorrhaging passenger rail company Amtrak. Before that, he was an adviser to Wisconsin Governor Tommy Thompson, specializing in crime and prison policy. When Thompson became HHS secretary in 2001, he hired Simonson as a legal adviser and promoted him to his current post shortly before leaving the Department last year. Simonson's biography boasts that he "supervised policy development for Project BioShield," a program designed to speed the manufacture of crucial vaccines and antidotes. "That effort, however, has by most accounts bogged down and shown few results," The Washington Post reported last month.

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Rear Admiral Cristina Beato
Acting Assistant Secretary for Health, Department of Health and Human Services

In June 2004, Cristina Beato admitted to her hometown newspaper that she hadn't paid much attention to the details of her resumé. That's too bad, because those silly little details seem to have stalled her confirmation for assistant secretary for health for over two years now. Beato said she earned a master's of public health in occupational medicine from the University of Wisconsin (but the university doesn't even offer that degree). She claimed to be "one of the principal leaders who revolutionized medical education in American universities by implementing the Problem Based learning curriculum" (but the curriculum was developed while Beato was still a medical student). She listed "medical attaché" to the American Embassy in Turkey as a job she held in 1986 (but that position didn't exist until 1995). She also boasted that she had "established" the University of New Mexico's occupational health clinic (but the clinic existed before she was hired, and there was even another medical director before her). For her part, Beato has offered a simple explanation: English is her third language, after French and her native Spanish, and sometimes the language barrier is just too much to handle. How does one say "pants on fire" in Spanish?

http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20051017&s=hacks101705

is a good read on how flu mutates and infects. Written for Bush -- even has him on the cover.

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It might be important. Too bad he has no credibility. How many people did the wolf eat after they quit believing the boy?

shit I don't believe a word that comes out of his sewer of a mouth.

:sarcasm:

anything that comes out of that liars mouth, he is just in it to help the pharmaceutical industry. Chimp can keeps his poison cause I want none of it. :puke:

We've had a Republican-dominated Congress for how long?

And Hillary Clinton was smeared from here to kingdom-come for having the audacity to try to work on REAL health-care reform while she was First Lady?

Community hospitals have been closing at a great rate for some time now -- almost our entire health care "system" is being run as a for-profit enterprise, and not as a public good. There aren't enough beds, much less doctors and nurses, to treat a pandemic.

That, by the way, is what is so devastatingly wrong with using the bottom-line business model for everything from medicine to the postal service to public education to utilities. Some things a civilized society should undertake for the public good, not because it expects to show a profit.

The Repubs like to natter on about their devotion to Almighty God, but their behavior shows their true god is the Almighty Dollar. We'll pray while they prey.

So back to the flu.

I seem to remember not being at all surprised when talk of a flu pandemic arose. I'd actually been picking up references to the possibility for a number of years. AIDS is itself a global pandemic, okay? It just doesn't kill people overnight. (TB has made quite the comeback, but I don't think they're calling it a pandemic.) I'm not a scientist, just a person with an interest in public health, so I remember things.

We've had plenty of warning, if our crippled public health system had been able to make us and our legislators listen. My only surprise is Bush.

Why now, Mr. Bush? He's jumping up and down instilling panic and threatening martial law -- it suggests more of a desire to distract our attention from other troubles than a genuine effort to protect our lives from "evildoers" that can't even be seen with the naked eye.

As for being on our own -- the Drowning of New Orleans showed us that much.

Hekate

And isn't that nice that the makers and investors in Tamiflu will get a nice "shot in the arm" thanks to *.....How convenient....:eyes:

I'm also more worried about the BushCo. Cabal doing something scary re. martial law and use of the military in response to the flu than I am of the actual flu....

Don't look behind the curtain... stop! Don't pay attention to those indictments.... stop.
Keep glued to your seat in front of the t.v.
Fear! Fear! Fear!

Yeah, right. Okay, I know this is the "big one," but ... I'm hearin' orange codes, duct tape, and bomb shelters.... cynic though I have become.

Sheesh.

Of course, China won't be happy when that happens... Saudi Arabia (the only S.A. worth mentioning) either.

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20 milloin get the flu vaccine and the others? I gues we'll eat Star Anise?

Why is Shrub so concerned about bird flu? Since a virus "evolves" and he doesn't believe in evolution, no problem...Right?

Guess we all need to be diligent and careful all of the time. Duhhhhh.

Bush's flu press conference yesterday was just saying what congress did last week! Nothing new.

Used as a tool to deflect from the Libby mess et al.

To Rummy's pharmaceutical interests? OR the Pentagon to quarantine us in detention camps?

This Admin. is a like a kid constantly coming to his parents (the U.S. tax-paying citizens) for MORE and MORE "allowance" money. Yet no matter how much we give, they want more...with NO precise explanation of where the money's going. Unfortunately most of it "up in smoke." Or to plans that are meant to hurt, violate our right to privacy, or outright detain we-the-people (from whom they get their "allowance " monies).

Let's stop the dysfunction, and just say "no" to their fear-based plans, and undisciplined spending, and right-out pocket-lining THEIR pockets with OUR money NOW!