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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:18 PM
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Rome within Iran missile range: Israeli Foreign Minister warns Italy
TEL AVIV, Israel, Nov. 2 (UPI) -- Rome is within range of Iran's nuclear-capable missiles, Israel's foreign minister has warned.

Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom gave the warning Tuesday to his visiting Italian opposite number, Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini, during a discussion on the Iranian nuclear crisis, the Tel Aviv newspaper Yediot Aharonot reported on its ynet.com Web site.

Fini told a press conference following their meeting that should Iran acquire nuclear weapons, it would severely threaten not only Israel but the entire international community. He said the United Nations Security Council must deal with the Iranian matter as soon as possible.>>>>snip

http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20051101-064102-9618r
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:21 PM
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1. I ran, he ran, we ran, PNAC ran into Iran!
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:23 PM
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3. Ha ha ha ....clever LOL Pnac ran.. exactly
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:49 PM
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12. Why is Israel suddenly afraid to do their own dirty work?
Seems they didn't have a problem making pre-emptive attacks in the 1980s.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 03:58 AM
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33. Because their "daddy" is looking too tired to protect them now?
Sounds like a telling lack of confidence in the ability of the USA to
stand in the background saying "That's ma boy!" while they go rogue.

(Not forgetting the old "Hey, it worked with Iraq, it's working with
Syria, why not try it again?" attitude.)

Maybe Israel has finally realised that although they have had some
damn good victories in the past, it only takes one successful
retaliation to really spoil their day?
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:23 PM
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2. This pre-supposes:
1) Iran will get nuclear weapons

2) Iran will then use those nuclear weapons preemptively

3) Iran will, of all places, nuke Rome.

That's an awful lot of assumptions, no?
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:28 PM
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7. b-b-b-b-ut... mushroom clouds! We must act now!
We must kill now so they don't kill later! It all makes perfect sense, if you're a warmongering psychopath, anyway.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:03 PM
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18. I think it means Italy better dummy up and take the forgery fall
Stop investigating and raising a stink. Or else. How's that for an assumption?

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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:24 PM
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4. sounds like another war chant to me
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:27 PM
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5. Let me guess. Will they be able to do it in 45 minutes? n/t
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:27 PM
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6. convenient timing wouldn't you say!
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pocket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:29 PM
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8. if Israel really thought Iran wanted to nuke Rome
they'd keep their mouths shut and let it happen. This is a political stunt.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:35 PM
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9. And nukes can be deployed w/in 45 minutes...and Iranian TERROR...
SHIPS are carrying WMDs and may attack from the Sea!!!
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makeanoise Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:43 PM
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10. WTF!???
"Rome is within range of Iran's nuclear-capable missiles, Israel's foreign minister has warned"

Oh so they have nuclear-capable missles? Well golly!

Gotta watch that media every minute....i mean, how misleading is that...5 lines down you find:
"that should Iran acquire nuclear weapons"

Can they be that stupid to try and sell us a WAR in the same way the tried with Iraq?

I have seen some posts here regarding PNAC(Project For New American Century) and all this arguing over Libby, Cheney, Rove, Bush...it's pointless...

They said what they were going to do in PNAC, and have done it and continue until they are stopped or completed...don't need a lawyer for that, THEY ANNOUNCED IT, ALL OF IT!

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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:45 PM
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11. The Eyerianians mean to wipe the Vatican off the map.
Would this mean that Israeli nukes could reach Rome?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 02:53 PM
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13. whole planet within range of israeli missles.
Add in Russia, China, US, GB, France, and sooner or later India and Pakistan to the 'we can nuke the planet' club.

Gosh the world is just a dangerous place. Perhaps we should work on building international organizations for peaceful resolution of differences.

Or then again perhaps we should go about wrecking existing international institutions, ignoring international treaties that we are signatories to, refusing to sign on to all new international treaties that might conflict with our empire building, and spend our time instead unilaterally toppling nations we don't like that are in control of resources we want. That seems like a real good way to avoid getting nuked.


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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:00 PM
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14. Iraq wasn't enough for them?
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:05 PM
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15. The only country with nuclear weapons who is developing new more
sophisticated ones, who is treatening to use them in the near future and has used them in the past is ............................ (fill in the blank.) Of course they are the good guys who never would use the first strike capability.
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makeanoise Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:26 PM
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16. No one is suppose to be developing new nukes
That's what i thought the most recent accord stated...

Whatever countries currently have them fine, but no new development from anyone...wish i remember the accord or UN Resolution...

Feel free to clarify this if I am wrong, but i thought that was the case....
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:04 PM
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19. Those treaties
like the Geneva Conventions are oh so "quaint".

So might AG Gonzales tell us.

We don't need no stinkin treaties.

Some sarcasm, but not all.

180
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:58 PM
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28. The bunker buster was going to be a nuclear weapon
It has been put on the back burner. There were/are going to be nuclear weapons in space. Those are the ones reported in the news that I know of.
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Centered Donating Member (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:53 PM
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30. bad argument
Truman was a Dem... you know the right would rifle that right back if you used that line in an argument. To be technical every country with Nukes has used them (that's how you know they work) underground detonations... islands in the middle of nowhere blah blah blah.

The USA is the only country confirmed to have used them against a population center. But I personally believe Truman did the right thing.

It should be noted that it is a very good testament to each Nuclear nation that those weapons haven't been used as intended. Especially in the case of India and Pakistan.

(OMG Muslims have NUKES :sarcasm: )
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makeanoise Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 02:09 PM
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40. Never should have dropped the bomb
There was no need, Japan was close to surrendering anyway, but of course, American History needs to justify it, so that part of WWII you won't find easily...

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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 03:58 PM
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17. Rome is within range of Israel's nuclear tipped missiles too
And the U.S. nuclear tipped missiles, and France's, and Russia's, and Britain's, and China's. I don't know about India and Pakistan for sure, though.
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GreatCaesarsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 04:05 PM
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20. cueing dean martin
Arriverderci, Roma
Goodbye, goodbye to Rome
City of a million moon lit faces
City of a million warm embraces
Where I found the one of all the faces
Far from home

Arriverderci, Roma
It's time for us to part
Save the wedding bells for my returning
Keep my lover's arms outstretched and yearning
Please be sure the flame of love keeps burning
In her heart

(Arriverderci, Roma
It's time for us to part

Save the wedding bells for my returning
Keep my lover's arms outstretched and yearning
Please be sure the flame of love keeps burning
In her heart
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:07 PM
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21. Now that Italy's President
has disavowed Bush's war could you see a MIHOP in Rome? Vatican City would generate quite a bit of support for the crusade too.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:10 PM
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22. There is a prophecy that the Vatican if a holy war would be
nuked :nuke: and its been brought up in the book

DaVinci Code!!!

This Pope is one of the first who has visited Israel!!!
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:21 PM
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23. hmmm
more war drums? this is getting beyond silly. surely they aren't going to play EXACTLY the same game as before? what happened to syria being the designated asshole ?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:40 PM
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24. well he only has 3 years left
have to get the ball rolling
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:46 PM
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25. Nuclear CAPABLE missles...meanwhile, we're all in range of the Death Star
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 05:48 PM by Hobarticus
that North Korea is building from popsicle sticks, and any other weapon that doesn't exist right now.

Why, I'm in range of my neighbor's automatic weapon that he doesn't own! GASP!

Terra! Terra!

:yoiks:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:50 PM
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26. looks like Britain'll be going for the oil-rich valley east of Basra,
while the U.S. takes Syria. Israel's still a wild card, since it's saber-rattling against Iran but is next to Syria.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:55 PM
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27. 45 minutes! Mushroom-shaped clouds! Hordes of non-christians!
Lions and tigers and bears!

Must kill everyone who doesn't like Israel. Must seize all oil. Must show everyone how tough we are. Must, must, must!!!
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:13 PM
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29. The long arm of PNAC reaches the RW loonies in Israel
They shot their wad in Iraq. I won't believe any claims of WMDs made by the US, UK, or Israel until I actually see a mushroom cloud.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 08:56 PM
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31. And the whole world is within the idiot's missile range.
Often, when I go to work I have this thought looking at the hills south or town, where the silos are.
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occuserpens Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:03 PM
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32. "Unpredictable crazies"
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 09:04 PM by occuserpens
US/UK/Israeli media use to present Iranians and N.Koreans as "unpredictable crazies". However, on the ground, both are isolationist revolutionaries who are driven by their ideologies without much concern for the outer world.

The difference is, instead of N.Korean powerful military, Iranians have huge economic and ideological influence. They can drive oil prices sky high and incite Muslim revolutionaries all over the world - starting from Iraq. Unlike Al-Queda, Khomeinists have quite real ideological clout!

1. UPI. Rome within Iran missile range: Israeli FM http://www.upi.com/SecurityTerrorism/view.php?StoryID=20051101-064102-9618r
Rome is within range of Iran's nuclear-capable missiles, Israel's foreign minister has warned.
Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom gave the warning Tuesday to his visiting Italian opposite number, Foreign Minister Gianfranco Fini, during a discussion on the Iranian nuclear crisis, the Tel Aviv newspaper Yediot Aharonot reported on its ynet.com Web site.
2. AJ. Diplomat: Iran to restart nuclear work http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/137D7664-7CB5-49B0-9031-8491B56141DE.htm
Iran on Wednesday granted UN nuclear inspectors access to a high-security military site as part of efforts to avoid referral to the Security Council, the atomic watchdog says.
However, Tehran has also told the IAEA that it will soon resume converting uranium into a gas that can be enriched either to generate energy or produce nuclear weapons, a diplomat close to the agency said.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 06:59 AM
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34. FEAR! FEAR! MUSHROOM CLOUD FORECAST! FEAR! FEAR!
I am sure that Iran would have targets in the mideast that it would prefer to neutralize before taking out the Vatican.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 06:59 AM
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35. Self-deleted double post
Edited on Thu Nov-03-05 07:00 AM by HereSince1628
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 07:39 AM
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36. Yes, but Iran is not after Italy! n/t
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 07:42 AM
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37. Pimping for other countries to do their fighting for them much?
:puke:
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 10:57 AM
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38. Israel is getting desperate for us to fight another of her wars, huh?
Booga. Booga. I suppose Israel's 200 nukes can also reach Rome.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 12:07 PM
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39. And we all know that Italy would be first on the list of Iran's targets!
Edited on Thu Nov-03-05 12:11 PM by Wordie
(sarcasm) Come on, now.

This appears to be nothing more than the latest episode in the Israel/PNAC international hooting-and-hollering strategy aimed at nations they've targeted for "regime change."

Thanks for posting this IChing.


Edited for grammar and clarity.
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