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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:56 PM
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IEA warns of 50% oil price rise by 2030

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9902586/

IEA warns of 50% oil price rise by 2030

The International Energy Agency, the oil sector monitoring body, on Wednesday said that oil prices by 2030 would be 50 per cent higher than today if Saudi Arabia did not muster the political will to invest billions of dollars in new production.

Fatih Birol, the group's chief economist, said in an interview with the Financial Times that Saudi Arabia, the most important oil producer, might not make the investment needed to ensure production met the strong demand growth in China and India.

"It is not a problem of availability of reserves or capital. We need to be sure that the increase in production will be high enough and a sustained production capacity increase policy is in place. That will need sustained political will," he said. Saudi Arabia has plans to invest $14bn to raise output capacity from 11m barrels a day to 12.5m b/d by 2009, according to a report by Samba Financial Group, a Riyadh-based bank.


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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 05:59 PM
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1. We don't have until 2030
and Saudi Arabian production has probably already peaked.
I just read The Long Emergency by Kunstler.
Here's his blog:
http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/clusterfuck_nation/
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:24 PM
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5. Hi JJack,
Have you seen the Peak Oil Group? It's here:

http://www.mindpowernews.com/SwitchwordsForWealth.htm

under the Politics, Issues, & Media forum.
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JJackFlash Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 10:41 PM
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14. couldn't find it
but I saw the article "Pretty Women Scramble Men's Brains."
I know they scramble mine.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 07:46 AM
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15. I've no idea where that other link came from!!
I just read it this morning and whoa! I hadn't even had a glass of wine last night when I posted that! :shrug:

Here is the link to the Peak Oil Forum on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=266

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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:40 PM
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10. No sh*t. Peak Oil is here. NOW.
Which is why Exxon-Mobil and Co are raking in all the profits they can now. They know the geopolitical gig is up.

Meanwhile, most of America remains totally oblivious to the the fact that we are heading straight over the edge into an unprecedented energy-driven economic & social crisis of epic proportions.

But go on. Shop, drink your kool-aid, and have a nice day!
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:00 PM
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2. Uhhh...I think oil prices have gone up in barrel cost by more than
Edited on Wed Nov-02-05 06:01 PM by olafvikingr
300% in the last 6 years. So for the next 25 it is only going to go up 50%? Right.....

Olaf
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:16 PM
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3. Did they mean "50 times" or 5000%?
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:26 PM
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7. Five dollars a gallon by 2030 is what it should be by 2030.
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NEOBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:41 PM
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11. $50.00 per gallon, sounds more like it. n/t
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:46 PM
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8. The article says 50%, so to me that says...
if we had (simple for math purposes) $60 oil right now, then 50% more in 2030 would add $30 a barrel. So you'd be looking at $90 oil, $105 if we use $70 to start. NORMAL inflation would probably accomodate for that. I expect it to be much worse than that. Hell, I expect to see $105 oil within the next 3 or 4 years on the optimistic side.

Olaf
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 06:16 PM
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4. Maybe they transposed a couple of numbers, meant 2003 not 2030. n/t
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:50 PM
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9. That is the only way it would make sense to me. If 2003 is the case
I believe we are in for a real bumpy ride.

Olaf
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 08:53 AM
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16. Just wanted to clarify that obviously I am aware that 2003 has
passed. :)

The prediction of only 50% more by 2030 is so beyond optimistic, I don't quite know how the author could write it with a straight face.

Olaf
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 07:25 PM
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6. 50% by 2030 ?! It has gone up 200% in 5 years!!!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:49 PM
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12. I've heard some rosy scenarios before...
... but this is ree-god-damm-dick-u-lous.

50% won't even cover basic inflation. What planet in the moronica galaxy are these nuts from?
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-02-05 09:54 PM
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13. Hell inflation would make it go up more than that in 25 years
somebody has some sloppy numbers/reporting.

I'll skip this one
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:12 AM
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17. hmmmmmm, i wonder why big oil isn't building any new
refineries then? couldn't be because they know we're at, or close to peak...
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:32 AM
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18. Considering how quickly prices have risen more than 50%, it is shocking
prices might rise another 50% in only a quarter century.
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Opusnone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 09:45 AM
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19. 2030? The rapture will have happened by then
And we'll all be gone up to heaven.
Don't get left behind...
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-03-05 10:30 AM
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20. I want to be left behind...
I don't like the ultra fundies now, what makes me think I'll like them any more in heaven????
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