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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:16 PM
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Bomb technology enters Iraq from Iran: general
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sophisticated technology and explosives to make improvised bombs killing U.S. and other troops in
Iraq are apparently entering the country virtually unhindered from
Iran, a senior British general said on Friday.

Royal Marines Maj. Gen. James Dutton spoke with reporters in a teleconference from Basra in southern Iraq a day after the
Pentagon announced plans to increase efforts to find ways to defend against improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, used by insurgents that are the leading cause of U.S. casualties in the war.

Dutton said he did not know whether the Iranian government or its intelligence service, or perhaps other unspecified groups, were helping Iraqi insurgents smuggle explosives or completed bombs across the porous border into Iraq.

"I simply don't know whether this is official Iranian policy," said Dutton, who commands a 13,000-strong multinational division in southeastern Iraq.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051104/ts_nm/iraq_bombs_general_dc
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:18 PM
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1. Yeah, that's as trustworthy as the NIger Yellowcake story.
Ain't the blowback from lying about intelligence just a bitch?
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:11 PM
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11. Dutton says he doesn't know
if this is Iran governmental policy. That says a lot..I'd be inclined to think is smoke and mirrors. Can't believe anything the military has to say, the reputation of the military has been mucked up by the less than honorable actions and intentions.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:31 PM
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2. Odd, since there's a recent article...
... more or less about the area of operation of this general:

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1103-25.htm

This article seems to suggest that what's going on now in that area has been going on for a long time--that the Marsh Arabs are doing to the British what they had been doing to Hussein's forces before the invasion, and that the Iraqi Guards were better at sealing the border.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:37 PM
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3. Bring the troops home and get out of the Middle East now!
Work for peace and banning of nuclear bombs.
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achtung_circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:37 PM
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4. Enough of this bullshit.
Edited on Fri Nov-04-05 05:40 PM by achtung_circus
Shaped charges are not high-tech. It does not take a government to make them. The most common use of shaped charges is in the OIL industry and in building demolition. Huh, think there might be anyone in Iraq who works in the oil industry.

Wiki says, here <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge>

"Differential cones (hollow cone charges) transfer momentum from the explosive to another material, usually a metal such as copper, with a speed of sound different from the speed of the blast in the explosive. The slope of the cone is chosen so that the speed of the blast at the surface of the cone is equal to the speed of sound of the metal on the surface of the cone. The result is a hypersonic jet. This jet then penetrates the armour. This is also called the Munroe effect, discovered in 1888. This is the basis of high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) weapons.

Differential cones are easy to manufacture. Usually the penetrator cone is swaged to a casing, and the explosive is cast inside the resulting shape."

And for a non-US source of info, this BBC article:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4320818.stm>

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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:14 PM
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12. Informative
thanks
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:38 PM
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5. They Got the Bombs from the Munition Stores BushChenyRummy Left Unguarded!
Bush* (and Cheney and Rumsfeld) were so fixated on the oil, non-existant
WMDs, and looting antiquities that they didn't bother to secure the
stores of conventional munitions.

Our soldiers continue to pay for their incompetence.

Instead of admitting their mistakes, of course they blame Iran,
which they will use as a pretext for an invasion. Watch Bush*ler's
popularity drop into the single-digits as he starts up the draft
to fuel the next war.



"Bush is denying reports today that he plans to invade Iran. Oh, we're still going to invade, we just don't have any plans." --Jay Leno
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:29 PM
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15. The looting of Iraq's arsenal
The same month Al Qaqaa was being stripped of high explosives, I warned my military intelligence unit of another weapons facility that was being cleaned out. But nothing was done.

By David DeBatto

Oct. 29, 2004

When I read last Sunday's New York Times story of the missing explosives from the Iraqi weapons storage facility south of Baghdad at Al Qaqaa, it brought back memories from my time with the Army National Guard's 223rd Military Intelligence Battalion in Iraq last year. Bad memories. In the Times story, Iraqi scientists who worked at Al Qaqaa described how the facility was looted of almost 400 tons of high explosives right after the American troops swept through the area in April 2003 and failed to secure the site.

But Al Qaqaa is not the whole story. The same month it was being looted, I learned of another major weapons and ammunition storage facility, near my battalion's base at Camp Anaconda, that was unguarded and targeted by looters. But despite my repeated warnings -- and those of other U.S. intelligence agents -- nothing was done to secure this facility, as it was systematically stripped of enough weapons and explosives to equip anti-U.S. insurgents with enough roadside improvised explosive devices, or IEDs, for years to come.

Link:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/anaconda/index_np.html


Al Qaqaa Weapons Cache

Al Qaqaa Weapons Cache

From dKosopedia, the free political encyclopedia.

On October 25, 2004 the New York Times reported here the disappearance of 380 tons (about 345 metric tons) of powerful conventional explosives from an Iraqi military facility south of Baghdad. According to the report, the national security adviser Condoleezza Rice had been informed within the preceding month about the disappearance. White House and Pentagon officials acknowledge that the explosives vanished sometime after the American-led invasion last year. (The New York Times, October 25, 2004, Huge Cache of Explosives Vanished From Site in Iraq)

The explosives are referred to as HMX High melting explosives and RDX cyclonite or hexogen. HMX and RDX are white powders in their pure form. (See section below on the explosives for more technical information and remarks on the meanings of he acronyms.)

Prior to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq, the HMX had been sealed and tagged with the IAEA emblem while being stored at Al Qaqaa.

Iraq was permitted to keep some of its explosives for mining purposes after the IAEA completed its dismantling of Saddam's covert nuclear weapons program after the 1991 Gulf war.

According to Reuters <1>, diplomats at the IAEA in Vienna said the IAEA had warned the United States about the danger of the explosives before the war, and after the invasion it specifically told U.S. officials about the need to keep the them secured.

Link:

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Al_Qaqaa_Weapons_Cache



500+ hits in just one search!

Urgent Massive Broadcast In All Directions & By All Means Needed NOW!!

Write, e-mail, and call! (and march-protest if possible).

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:41 PM
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6. And the mighty Wurlitzer spins on ... nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 05:55 PM
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7. If he doesn't know, why's yahoo sayin' they ARE entering fr/ Iran?
:shrug: That's the headline: "Bomb technology enters Iraq from Iran: general". :shrug:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:00 PM
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8. More likely to get the info from the Anarchist's Cookbook...
or a Chemistry Textbook than Iran, the Internet also helps.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:00 PM
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9. First this nut knows now the nut doesn't know.
--Sophisticated technology and explosives to make improvised bombs killing U.S. and other troops in Iraq are apparently entering the country virtually unhindered from
Iran, a senior British general said on Friday.--

--Dutton said he did not know whether the Iranian government or its intelligence service, or perhaps other unspecified groups, were helping Iraqi insurgents smuggle explosives or completed bombs across the porous border into Iraq.--

Now everyone is complaining about Iran. I know this is official BS* policy.

-"I simply don't know whether this is official Iranian policy," said Dutton,...--
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:02 PM
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10. Later in the article they call them 'homemade' bombs.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:20 PM
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13. I simply don't know whether this is official Iranian policy
And I simply don't know if this is official U.S. policy.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:20 PM
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14. BULLSHIT.
Here they go again.

Iran is allied with the SCIRI and Da'Wa Shia.

HELLO stupid MFer! :eyes:
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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:31 PM
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16. It's the Iranians...
They are next on *'s agenda! :evilgrin: (Hopefully not)
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 06:35 PM
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17. welp.. . there's only solution to this. . .
MORE WAR!!!!!!

of course, for the sake of Iranian freedom or something.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 05:28 PM
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18. "smuggle explosives or completed bombs"? Iraqi guerrillas have plenty of
explosives taken from munition dumps unguarded by Commander in Chief Bush.

The key component is more sophisticated devices to detonate a charge against specific targets, i.e. smart IEDs (improvised explosive devices). With micro miniaturization, hundreds of those key components can be easily smuggled into Iraq.

IMO, the only solution is to send Bush, Cheney, Rove, and the entire necon cabal to Iraq and let them stand guard on Iraq's porous borders and stop the flow of "smart IEDs". If they refuse to go, then Bush should order all troops under his command to withdraw from Iraq.

I can't find a suitable adjective-noun combination to describe my absolute contempt and hate for Bush-Cheney. :puke:
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steely Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 08:46 PM
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19. Another looney on the loose in front of a camera.
Did he think they were smuggling flowers?
Does he think the technology doesn't exist anyplace but Iran?
WTF did he expect would happen when went in there?
Does he know about their glacier melting and hurricane machines?

Get the boys some armor idiot or get the fuck out.

<sorry - feeling fed up tonight>
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