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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:23 PM
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LAT: Sales at Gap Continue Downward Trend
Sales at Gap Continue Downward Trend
The 5% drop in October marks 12 straight months of disappointing results from the retailer.
By Leslie Earnest, Times Staff Writer


Three years after former Disney executive Paul Pressler took charge at Gap Inc., the nation's largest specialty apparel retailer is once again stuck in a sales slump.

The San Francisco-based company reported Thursday that sales at stores open at least a year fell 5% in October, marking 12 straight months of flat or negative same-store sales.

Gap's numbers looked particularly gloomy as other chain stores across the country posted better-than-expected sales last month and some of its fiercest competitors delivered strong results — notably Abercrombie & Fitch Co. and American Eagle Outfitters Inc., which posted increases of 31% and 17.3%, respectively.

Gap's same-store sales, a key measure of growth, could fall 10% for the year, which would translate to about $900 million in lost sales, analyst Jeffrey Klinefelter of Piper Jaffray & Co. in Minneapolis estimated.

With the stock down 19% year to date, analysts — and investors — are getting testy....


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gap4nov04,0,7154762.story?coll=la-home-business
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justiceischeap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:25 PM
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1. Yeah but how are Old Navy and Banana Republic doing?
They're all owned by the same company (I think).
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:31 PM
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2. It's unclear if they are down also, but they are under the same parent...
company. From the article:

"Even as the company, parent of more than 3,000 Gap, Old Navy and Banana Republic stores, is missing the mark, some of its competitors are hitting bull's-eyes, analysts say."
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 10:33 PM
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3. Speaking of Old Navy, I tried on half the store and nothing fit right
It could be me, but I did see a reference in the article to customers complaining about the fit of the clothes. Makes me feel better -- although admittedly, I still need to shape up.
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Native Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 08:16 AM
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8. That always happens with their clothes....
You can try on 3 of the same style & size of pants, and they will all fit differently. This is why I don't bother with this store - too aggravating.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 08:26 AM
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9. My Dad is in textiles R&D, and he says that Old Navy stuff
is made rapidly and cheaply... and I don't mean inexpensively, I mean cheap. ie it's garbage, and is okay for, say, T-shirts, but nothing else will fit correctly, because of the patterns they use and how it's done.

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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:31 AM
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23. I've noticed that about the quality of MOST clothing this year...EVEN in
upcale department stores. I (and many of my friends when we were younger) use to sew a lot of our own clothes, and have a keen eye for fabrics, seams, buttons, and over-all quality of clothing. And I've found it absolutely glaring as I walk through most retail stores the last few months (at least this Summer's clothes, and a lot of this Winter's clothes)...that MOST of the clothing looks like it was made in (and I don't mean this disparagingly)...in Rumania. The colors, and fabrics, and trim look so cheap and gaudy. There are of course a few exceptions amont a handful of High-Scale clothiers...such as Lauren, and Jones N.Y.

But I don't EVER remember seeing such univerally low quality crap at high prices in main stream stores. Sure, there have always beeen those stores that cater specifically to the early-20's demographics...selling expendible, cheap clothing that lasts as long as the fashion "attention span" of the persons buying the clothes. But among mainstream, upscale stores, I've never seen such high-priced crap literally across-the-boards to average age adults.

I think it's a reflection of the outsourcing of everything to Third World Countries (twice-removed)...so that the people now sewing these things don't even have ANY prior experience at what they're doing. When I go to the mall now, it feels like I'm shopping in New Delhi daily.

Suddenly I value even the older things in my clothes closet. I will hesitate twice before donating to Goodwill now...as MY older stuff is infinitely better made that most of what I see in the stores now. And MINE is already paid for, and will last years before fraying at the seam, thank you!
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:36 PM
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26. Yup -- I agree, and so would my Dad
He thinks it went downhill after NAFTA, but has gotten even worse with the move to China. I agree....
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DemCam Donating Member (911 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:34 PM
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11. I just gave away all my t-shirts from ON
They didn't fit at all...worse than any shirts I've ever bought anywhere. Am glad to see others are having the same problem. Makes me not feel quite so oddly shaped. And they were really good colors, too.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:11 PM
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16. Old Navy is doing really well. You're right about the fit.
I reserve my Old Navy purchases to things like sweaters or sweatshirts, pjs, etc. I do like their pants, but the fit is all over the place on them. They're really just cheap, cheap, clothes, with little care put into fit. The Gap, boring as I find them, usually has good fit. J. Crew has great fit as well.. but I just can't see spending 70+ on a pair of jeans. I stick with my Levi 501, which fit a woman's body very nicely...
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:54 AM
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4. Good the Fischer family are a pack of thieves and liars
they are in the process of clear cutting the forests of California.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:41 AM
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6. Environmentalists should link the falling Gap profits with their bad rep
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 07:41 AM by Democat
Maybe if the Gap wasn't supporting destroying the environment, more people would support them.

Environmental groups should start loudly promoting that a boycott is hurting the bottom line and that the best way back to profits is by stopping their attacks on the environment.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 03:15 AM
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5. Plastic purchases will be dropping.. Lots of folks no longer have them
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 03:16 AM by SoCalDem
and the others are probably getting wary of them now that the CC companies can effectivel take your house if you lose your job and cannot pay them..

It's no longer "unsecured" debt.. It's secured bigtime, buy everything you have..
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:45 AM
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7. more teens displaced from jobs = less teen consumption
this is a surprise in what way?

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 08:31 AM
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10. no unfortunately it has more to do with fickle nature of what retailer is
'"in".
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:09 PM
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15. Doesn't explain A&F and AEO success. Teens don't like Gap.
Gap got boring and middle aged. Unfortunately the money goes toward the carictured fashion of those other stores... teens don't want quality jeans or khakis, they want tight low cut jeans, t-shirts with goofy sayings, and skimpy cheap quality tops at inflated prices. Gap sunk into a boring uniform style, and people were perhaps not willing to pay 40 dollars for a basic polo shirt and 70 for pants.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:44 PM
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12. They are trying to hard to keep up with all the other shit-for-fashion
cheesy stores, when they should have stuck to what they do best. Simple, basic fashions that fit all kinds of bodies and ages. It was always my first stop when I just wanted some plain black pants or a basic t-shirt for layering.

Now everything is so trendy and cheap looking they have lost their core market and are instead trying to attract fickle teenagers with dwindling spending power.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:06 PM
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14. That's funny because I think it's their boring basic stuff that killed it.
Most people I know don't go in there because no one wants to pay 70 dollars for a pair of basic black pants, or a white shirt. We all just go to the department stores for the basic stuff, because it's all made in china anyway and it's half the price. I just never found anything fashionable in there.. just more uniform type clothes.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 08:39 PM
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19. Bingo. You are right on.
The few basics they have now don't it well for my body.
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:04 PM
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13. I'll tel you why.
Gap really lost it when they thought it was some sort of great ad strategy to pay a bunch of "celebs" to wear their jeans and a white shirt. Yawn. They lost footing with that boring and never-ending campaign. The Gap windows featured giant photos of "celebs" in jeans and plain shirts, their ads.. the same. When customers are looking for fashion and things that set them apart, they were greeted with jeans and white shirts. This went on too long. Gap, for some reason, just lost touch with the people they needed to reach. They allowed A&F, and AEO, and J.Crew, to move past them. Gap became stale. Each time I went into their store it was dullsville. They need an infusion of style. Gap needs to get past the dull unisex vibe they've been stuck in.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:16 PM
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18. The bottom line:
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coffeenap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:13 PM
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17. Here is a niche for them: Buy from AmericanApparel, No Sweat, and
other US union shops and market themselves--MADE IN THE USA!! Easy, patriotic and popular to adults.
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Krupskaya Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 12:50 AM
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21. FYI:
Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 12:57 AM by Krupskaya
American Apparel is not union. In fact, it actively tries to bust the union any time the workers try to organize.

Also, 70% of No Sweat's stuff is made outside the U.S.

In any case, neither company is a good example for what you're advocating.
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:17 PM
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20. There is nothing different about them than any other store
Honestly, everything in Gap is boring and overpriced to me. And there's nothing there that I couldn't get somewhere else. They have no "hook", nothing to differentiate themselves from the pack.

Their clothes never fit me right, either. The pants all fit me really funky. Same with Old Navy (Banana Republic isn't around here) - their pants don't fit me well at all. I have gotten a few ON shirts, though, just the basic t-shirts.
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waywest Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 01:03 AM
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22. Old Navy is a "Blue" donor company
The Gap stores were BIG Schwarzenegger donors.

I will not be sorry to see them go.
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alarcojon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 10:42 AM
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24. Abercrombie and Fitch sell controversy
and it seems to be working very nicely:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1901738

Among the "attitude T-shirts" assailed by the group of two dozen girls were those that read: "Who needs brains when you have these?" and "Blondes Are Adored, Brunettes are Ignored."


They pulled the campaign, but got all the publicity and notoriety they could have wanted.

The Gap, on the other hand, comes off as totally milquetoast.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-07-05 02:08 PM
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25. kick
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