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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:36 PM
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Kissinger Discourages Exiting Iraq Early
Kissinger Discourages Exiting Iraq Early

BRUSSELS, Belgium, Nov. 5, 2005
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(AP) Former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger warned against an early withdrawal of U.S.-led coalition forces from Iraq, saying such a move would bolster insurgents and terrorists worldwide, causing instability across the Middle East.

He also warned that European Union nations and Washington needed to find another way to get Iran to stop the development of its nuclear program, which the EU and US fear is being used to make nuclear weapons. Iran insists its nuclear program is for peaceful purposes.

Kissinger, in a speech Friday to top NATO officers and officials, said Iran's nuclear program and terrorism continued to pose a tough challenge for trans-Atlantic ties, and warned also that Iran could use nuclear weapons as a way to protect itself while continuing to promote terrorist groups.

"They (weapons) can become a shield by which to step up terrorist actions," said Kissinger, who was secretary of state and national security adviser under U.S. presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. He retains substantial influence in foreign affairs, and continues to have close links to the administration of U.S. President George W. Bush.

Saying an early pullout of U.S. forces from Iraq would have disastrous consequences for regional stability, Kissinger made clear Friday that he supported Bush's Iraq policy.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/05/ap/world/mainD8DM2FMO0.shtml
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:38 PM
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1. Well, sure, but Kissinger is a War Criminal
:7
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:39 PM
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2. And that's putting it politely.
:shrug:
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 02:35 AM
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23. A "BLOATED CORPSE" pops to the surface every NOW AND THEN
An old Ass-Clown drools on the Floor
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 05:23 AM
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28. You bet he's a war criminal
He should have been locked-up years ago, but then he gets a Nobel Peace award. Can you believe it?

If anyone wants to follow what Kissinger has done in his very illustrative career, check This out.

From the link:

"Hitchens presents a rather straightforward argument that establishes two seemingly undeniable propositions: on at least one occasion, Henry K. conspired to commit murder, and that on numerous other occasions, Henry K. was the primary force behind certain acts that could quite plausibly be considered war crimes. The case for Henry K. as murder conspirator is what Hitchens calls a "lay-down" case, i.e., one that stands out for its clear facts and clear law. The murder victim is General Rene Schneider, who was the Commander in Chief of the Chilean Army, whom Hitchens misidentifies as the Chilean "Chief of Staff."; According to Hitchens (and the 09 September, 1970 minutes of the "40" Committee, the Kissinger chaired secret panel that oversaw U.S. covert operations), the Chilean military had a strong tradition of neutrality in political affairs, a rarity on the South American continent. General Schneider was known as an officer committed to upholding the Chilean constitution and therefore opposed to the rumored incipient coup against newly elected Socialist President Salvador Allende by a right wing would-be junta of current and former Chilean military officers. Using U.S. Government communications cables from the CIA and documents from the State Department, and White House, Hitchens relates the facts of Kissinger's direct involvement in the direction, planning, financing, and general support by the organs of the U.S. Government in the plot to remove General Schneider."


Kissinger is a murderous bastard and does not belong to the family of humans. He belongs behind bars, locked-up with the rest of these thugs.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:41 PM
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3. Who asked that vampire his opinion?
How about an opinion from someone with less bloodlust?

:shrug:
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:41 PM
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4. That was his attitude on Vietnam too. n/t
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:42 PM
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5. The Sith lord speaks. nt
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:44 PM
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6. Naturally
:eyes:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:48 PM
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7. Why is this cock-a-roach coming out in the day light?
This is one of the most disgusting men in the history of the United States of America.
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anitar1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:35 AM
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17. Got it! I despise the old bum. Remember him from way back
and cannot stand to look at him or hear his disgusting voice and faux accent. Good God , he has been in the U.S. for many long years, and still hasn't overcome his German accent in the least. Everything about him makes me extremely irritable. Wishing him a long jail sentence, if he is whisked away by one of the countries who want to charge him.Just another old crook.
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:50 PM
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8. Wow!!!
Like anyone cares what he thinks.:boring:
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:50 PM
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9. And he's a Nobel Peace Prize winner!
To which one can only say: :puke:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:57 AM
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20. yeah, if that isn't a sign the the world went batshit a long time ago
I don't know what is.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:58 PM
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10. There's an excellent endorsement for...
... immediate withdrawal....
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-04-05 11:59 PM
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11. Let's send Henry as our Permanent Envoy...he's not allowed to return.

We ought to give the Iraqis the word: We don't feel sorry for you, you had over 5.0 million automatic weapons for years while Saddam was in power. You still have them. Figure out how to govern yourselves. We've screwed up and we're sorry. We'll work hard to repair it but, you will be happy to hear, we're leaving in 60 days. Anyone who attacks us or Americans or those whom we dragged into this through the duplicity of the now jailed Bush administration, anyone who does this will be desimated. Stop attacking us now, for your own good. If it's possible to leave earlier, you can be sure we will.

That would get their asses in gear: 1 country, 3 countries, whatever. These are intelligent people, many of whom have good educations and training. Let them form their own country.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:23 AM
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13. Leaving might not work that well. But staying IS worse. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:34 AM
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16. You're too kind...leaving will work poorly. But, you're right, staying is
such a bad mistake. We need to "make amends", that's for sure, but the first amend is to simply get out of their lives, quicky, before Halliburton and the rest suck all theife out of the country.

Wonder who will occupy that embassy that cost a billion to build...amazing times.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 12:13 AM
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12. Can a corpse speak?
Where's the Grim Reaper when you need him?
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:05 AM
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14. won't he kick the bucket already! dinosaur. nt
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:32 AM
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15. Drag the occupation out for years and then lose spectacularly...
and inevitably as he did in Vietnam. Again he advocates similar idiocy. A man so vain he can easily dispose of the lives of millions of others and then claim he has "credentials."

Kissinger is one of those purveyors of insider mumbo jumbo who look on the national security domain and the treasury as their private playpen. The sad thing is they know nothing about defense economics and theorize in a vacuum occupied only by their own ego and financial interests. It's time to cut the losses to the American people and kick out the corrupt bums robbing our youth and national treasury.

His vision of the Iranian threat is one sided. A nuclear armed Israel is free to expand it's domain indefinitely by force but any regional power seeking to curb its expansionism is a threat to world security. It is the emergence of sovereignty among regional powers that results in inevitable anti-American and anti-Israel counter action that cannot be tolerated by the imperial policy wonks. Sovereignty of any nation uncompromised by American oil majors and defense contractors is intolerable. With sovereignty comes resistance and independent sources of power that cannot be controlled from offices in New York city.

The problem is that these narrow heavily capitalized economic interests are simultaneously ruining our economy and our power and influence around the world. They need to be placed under guardianship because they are a danger to themselves and others.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:44 AM
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18. Of course he did, since PNAC was originally "The Kissinger Plan"
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/PNAC.htm

{snip}

"...the long-term goal, say big-picture analysts, has been in the works for far more than the 23 years since former U.S. president Jimmy Carter linked American security — 'the vital interests of the United States'' — to the Persian Gulf and its oil, and threatened military intervention. This war, say analysts, is about power and oil. It's about control of the Gulf states by means of strategic Iraq and, by extension, a final post-Cold War shakeout to give the U.S. more economic clout over China and Russia by controlling the oil spigot. This is the moment, Thomas Barnett, from the U.S. Naval War College, wrote recently in Esquire magazine, 'when Washington takes real ownership of strategic security in the age of globalization.' The Persian Gulf has the world's biggest oil reserves. After Saudi Arabia, Iraq has the second-largest proven reserves. 'The only precedent to what is shaping up now is the Roman Empire,' says Michael Klare, professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College. 'There is only one power. I don't think Britain, France or Spain even came close in other centuries to the United States today. 'If the United States controls Persian Gulf oil fields, it will have a stranglehold on the world economy,'' adds Klare. Washington is betting, Klare believes, that 'controlling Gulf oil, combined with being a decade ahead of everybody else in military technology, will guarantee American supremacy for the next 50 to 100 years.' These ideas aren't new. For years, a small and powerful group, with corporate and political links, pushed the idea of controlling Persian Gulf oil. They did it publicly, at think-tanks and in the media. Now, this coterie of like-minded strategists controls both the Pentagon and the strategic aims of President George W. Bush's White House. 'You've got a team in the White House that is unafraid of world public opinion because they know it is unreliable, self-serving and hypocritical,'' says George Friedman, chair of the intelligence organization, Stratfor. Originally, this was the 'Kissinger plan,'' says James Akins, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia. He lost his state department job for publicly criticizing administration plans to control Arab oil back in 1975 when Henry Kissinger was secretary of state. 'I thought they were crazy then and they're crazy now,' Akins tells the Star, adding that Congress studied plans to control Persian Gulf oil and concluded the idea was absolute madness. 'I thought this whole thing was dead. But now you've got all these `neo-cons' in power, and here we go again,' says Akins, a Washington-based consultant. 'They figure once they take over Iraq, they don't have to worry about the Saudis.'' Akins adds: 'These people with their imperial ideas see themselves as part of the Great American Empire.' The players have moved steadily through the Republican presidencies of Ronald Reagan and Bush's father, George H.W. Bush and Bush himself."

Oil war: 23 years in the making
Toronto Star, 9 March 2003

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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 02:19 AM
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22. Thanks, Carolab
I didn't know about this. Now I can hate on HK even more than I already do.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:29 AM
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33. Really puts it into perspective, doesn't it?
I wonder how many people realize this.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 11:14 AM
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37. That's helpful in understanding what's going on with Kissinger.
Thanks!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 01:57 AM
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19. Oh Henry.....
Put of the good time status quo. Not an original idea in him at this point in his life.

His former deputy Brent Scowcroft has more sand than Kissinger ever will.
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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 02:15 AM
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21. good


He can send his f'ing grandchildren.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 07:15 AM
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30. Nice one. :-)
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Geo55 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 02:39 AM
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24. And lest we forget......
"Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands
of the Arabs."
-- Henry Kissinger,
US Secretary of State under Presidents Nixon & Ford

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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 02:42 AM
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25. So, that proves that leaving now is the right thing to do.
"What Would Kissinger Not Do" could be the mantra that guides an ethical, happy, prosperous, moral life.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 04:55 AM
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27. Exactly.
Tell me, does he still believe in the idiotic domino theory?
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 02:58 AM
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26. who cares what U think
Edited on Sat Nov-05-05 03:01 AM by xxqqqzme
murdering rat bastard!

Add: and he shatrs that 'peace' prize distinction w/ real workers for peace - Sister Teresa, Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela. He does not deserve 2 B mentioned on the same page.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 05:53 AM
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29. well... i'm willing to leave the war long enough to put him in as a grunt
how soon can we send him to Sadr City in fatigues? and i'll be generous, i'll even give him a weapon... maybe a defective saturday night special.

this dude should've been under the guillotine years ago.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 10:57 AM
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31. Why hasn't he been strung up as a war criminal?
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-05-05 11:20 AM
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32. He has the power of the rightwing profit center protecting him.
You know, the patriots fighting the dirty pinko commies.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 01:32 AM
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34. He should have been tried as a war criminal.
and convicted.

What a no good POS.
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6000eliot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:05 AM
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35. And we should listen to this scumbag because?
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-06-05 02:07 AM
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36. Oh - well then.
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