Bush takes shot at Venezuelan leader on trade

Bush takes shot at Venezuelan leader on trade
President points to ‘competing visions’ for Latin America’s future

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9904968/

MSNBC News Services
Updated: 2:07 p.m. ET Nov. 6, 2005
BRASILIA, Brazil - In a veiled swipe at his main regional critic, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, President Bush said Sunday that some want to roll back democracy in Latin America by playing to fear and blaming others for their failures.

In a speech, Bush said ensuring social justice in Latin American requires choosing between “two competing visions.”

He urged people in the region to pick democracy because it is founded on representative government, integration into the world community “and a faith in the transformative power of freedom in individual lives.”

“The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades, by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people,” Bush said.



U.S. President Bush, left, listens as his counterpart Brazilian Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva speaks in Brasilia on Sunday.
Paulo Whitaker / Reuters

Takes one to know one, I suppose.

"Takes one to know one"

Bush is like Chavez? NOT!

What the hell are you talking about? :wtf:

He never sees the irony in his statements, does he?

"...roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades, by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people..."

Pot, meet kettle...

That is implying that Chavez is as unpopular in Venezuela (and as unpopular & fraudulently un)elected as Bush is in the USA.

Not pot meet kettle at all. No comparison.

Chavez was democratically elected and won a recall vote with 58% in a 94% voter turnout.

Now THAT's political capital.

“The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades, by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people,” Bush said.

Sounds like the US form of democracy.

square with the US running secret prisons in Eastern Europe, with no due process and no Red Cross access?

He sees it as the free market doing it's job.

was consistently and fiercely opposed by US power in the region, then finally conceded to as inevitable, in connection with support for plutocratic economic orders that made the democratic forms essentially meaningless.

This move towards prefering the preservation and welfare of human life instead of imperial exploitation is the culmination of the true democratic progress, and it's terrifying the US ruling class.

:rofl:

I choose Chavez over Bush! I choose Chavez's vision for a better world over Bush's Orwellian nightmare!

Bush doesn't even have a grasp of reality, I mean, the man even denies science in favor of Intelligent Design. Bush is an embarrassment and a dangerous criminal.

Nothing that Bush says is ever the truth!

What a Wussy!!!

Couldn't say it to face, but runs away,then says it when he has enough distance from him. This fits in with the rest of his cowardly ways.

“The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades, by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people,” Bush said.

a) Terra! Terra! 9/11! Terra!
b) Gays are evil, must have an amendment!
c) Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, Max Cleland, John Kerry, etc, etc, etc.

Does Bush not get irony, or something?

Irony of ironies, does this man ever listen to himself?

“The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades, by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people.”


edit: I think I was channeling Indiana Green and Todd B while I was composing my post :o

little pissant. ugh. words cannot portray my contempt.

know that chavez was democratically elected. so what is bush talking about? i`m sure those in south america would like him to answer.

These guys are textbook cases:

"playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people"

That is a perfect capsule summary of Bush's entire time in office.

He does it with every word he utters..or that stumbles out of his pre programmed mouth....and i still wish someone would explain to the man..ur chimp..the difference between a govt system and an economic system..he constantly confuses the two.

The man is a sociopath with nukes!

He is an embarrassment to this country, and hated throughout the world. Chavez cares about the people of his country; Bush cares about himself and his cronies. There is a big, big difference.

He said that the "terrorists" wanted "to impose and expand an empire of oppression, in which a tiny group of brutal, self-appointed rulers control every aspect of every life."

As you say, "projecting who he is onto someone else."

He projects his own detriments onto others around him. What an insulting joke he is. The "suggestive hypnosis" he is trying to use, only works with knuckle dragging rednecks. South Americans are beyond his reach.

Hugo could use the laugh

This time I do, fuck the free trade agreements, keep the jobs in our country instead of sending them to theirs.

choosing between to competing visions."

There's a hell of a lot of truth in that.

On the one hand, you have Chavez, whose vision includes letting even sick POOR people go to the doctor when they need. On the other, is President Best-part-of-him-ran-down-his-Mamas-leg, where social justice is determined by the size of the bank account of the person in question.

What a dumbass! Social justice isn't a function of economics. It's a function of social commitment.

Oh, Dog, but I despise these Repiglican killers!

weighing his response...and it will be a good one...it will be fun to hear...wonder what it will be..hahahaha!

he represents the United States of America? For Shame, America!

Wait until Independent World Televison comes and then many more will get the news that the rest of the world is getting!

http://www.iwtnews.com/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5280775


On edit~ I can't wait to hear what Chavez, who is a real person, has to say to say about what the creepy chickenshit from the USA was spewing from Brazil!

If Chavez had said the same things, it could be taken as a veiled swipe at Dubya. Chavez is certainly a better represeentative of democracy than is Dubya. And Dubya is well known for using fear and for blaming others for his mistakes.

Bush, you ARE dumber than you look...Venezuela doesn't only provide enough for its own people, it provides for the whole region; Venezuela even provides for US!!


Bush could learn a thing or two from Chavez

this time (e.g., "Kerry was a coward who tricked and schemed his way out of Vietnam", just like as Chavez "can't provide for his own people" and is undemocratic, both attacks sickening in their malice and mendacity and applicable solely to the one doing the attacking: Bush), he's used it too often and even when it has been used here it has worked only just enough domestically, but on the international stage just deepens hatred for him, and by extension, us.

Where is there a Democrat going after Bush for this nadir of despicableness?

Hugo is democratically elected with a 10% margin. Bush, in all probability stole both of his elections then acting like he has a mandate.

Integration into the world community???? Bush has helped the US integrate into the world community!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Fucking pre-emptive war based on false pretenses and really about oil, destroy the country's industrial infrastructure. Kill half as many people in two years as Bush claims Saddam did in 24 and call it liberation????

This deranged lunatic is now being seen for what he is.

Chavez is blaming others for his failures? The fascists are still blaming Clinton for 9/11 and moral decline in Washington while Bush boys from Kenny Boy lay, to Tom Delay, Frist, and his admins "cabal" are proving to be some of the most rotten treasonous basturds in history.

What was it Orwell said about the duty of people in times of dictatorship and mind control is to endlessly repeat the truth.

Chavez, himself, has been subject to four elections since '98, and has won by increasing margins. His party has won 6 or 7 elections by increasing margins in the last 7 years.

And the US SUPPORTED and ENDORSED a coup in the midst of all those elections. How undemocratic is that?

In a speech, Bush said ensuring social justice in Latin American requires choosing between “two competing visions.”
........................
as long as the people of Latin America ignore his vision. That has guaranteed poverty and the destruction of our industries. We have all seen through that neo-liberal bull$hit, the death squad bull$hit and the overthrow of governments elected by our people!!

but I've been listening today, and I have heard NO media reports of what a MISERABLE FAILURE the Argentina summit was for Bush.

Even though they spent all last week showing the protests/riots, when they thought Bush would evenutally get his way, now that he has lost
no one is metioning it.

bringing it together because many people across the globe realize he is the empty suit that represents much of oppression from foreign countries and corporations. Without his stupidity we all might of missed this point and the boat that moves us away from it. He brings the ugliness front and center in very profound ways. He and his neocons are not slick like Willy and the neolibs. It's really starting to look like * was the best applicant for the job after all to me.

The thing * will never get about Hugo is that he cares about people and not things and is willing to stand up for this belief

The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades, by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people,

that was my thought too when I read the quotation.

and free trade means you drop all your tarrifs on our manufactured goods while we maintain steep subsidies on our agricultural products, wrecking your agricultural economy. Free trade means that we send our low tech manufacturing to your country but you aren't allowed to regulate labor or environmental restrictions and your country turns into a filthy impoverished hell hole. Free trade means that we wreck your emerging economy so that we can live a little bit higher on the hog for a little bit longer until the whole house of cards comes tumbling down. That's that good old bushworld 'mockracy. Taint got nuthin to do with votin.

According to yahoo news:



Is this asshoole kidding? He's turned the US into an authortarian state, almost a police state!

Worst. President. Ever!!!

On edit: Typo fix. My brain is wandering due to the hypocritical nature of the Chimp's remarks!

I was having trouble with that headline until I clicked the link. :D

working it out, too! :-)

has to say about bush's stooopid dig.

I heard most of Chavez' speech today on c-span so I know he's never at a loss for words.:)

has done wonders for Uzbekistan, Azerbaijan, Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Haiti and other bastions of "US-style Freedom".

This is ignoring Iraq's adventures with Bush's blindness, I mean vision.

Funny how Cuba has a better representative government than America.

When these people say "Freedom", it translates to "Oppression" or "Injustice", depending on the context.

What a total and complete ***hole!!

Tired Old Cynic

get it
"One offers a vision of hope. It is founded on representative government, integration in the world community, and a faith in the transformative power of freedom in individual lives,"

That is from Mr. "The Geneva Conventions are Quaint, go it alone".

"The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades

Like the SC illegal unconstitutional selection of 2000?
Like the Stolen election in 2004?


by playing to fear,
Have you heard a TERRA alert lately? How about that dreaded Avian FLU?


pitting neighbour against neighbour, and blaming others for their own failures to provide for their people,"


Remember Katrina.

and Remember that

RePiglickins love to accuse you of what they are doing.

They ought to reject the 'visions' of leaders they actually like, and go with a model of B***'s behavior, since he's just been such a raging success...

:eyes:

:sarcasm:

Maybe if I change the date every time I buy a calendar to 2008, I'll sort of think it's already here!

:7

Now thats a Yale education for you.

the other outcome is the only possible democratic route. If only one "vision" is democratic, let's do away with democracy and appoint the leaders of the other "vision." Kill democracy to save democracy! Vive Arbusto!

In five years we've come to this. :cry:

NY Times report on Bush's visit to Brazil:

At one point, Mr. da Silva even exhibited a map of his country, which is larger than the continental United States. “Wow! Brazil is big,” Mr. Amorim quoted the American president as responding.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/07/international/07prexy.ready.html

They put up a picture of Bush staring down Brazils leader while implying that he is tough against Venezuelas president. They include Bush quotes but nothing from Chavez or the opposition to Bush's policies. They barely graze upon the large demonstrations against Bush. The real truth of the matter is that this OAS trip was an absolute disaster for Bush and company. Whats really amazing is that after Bush and the Republicans have completely Enroned South America they were stupid enough to go down there and tout democracy. Our saving grace with this admin is they are too stupid to cover for themselves in the long run. Thank god for that.

This must be the start of repairing his tarnished image. I bet Chavez laughed his ass off at the bumbling, stuttering mess we call our leader.

There are indeed only two choices--the broad democratic road of opposing US domination and opposing the savage, unfettered rule of the oligarchy, or submitting to fascism.

I think its time for another oil embargo from Venezuela.
Fuck *