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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:15 PM
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California Ballot Propositions - Results
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 11:15 PM by brooklynite
2.8% ( 499 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 8:05 pm



Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct.
73 Y Minor's Pregnancy 253,101 52.8 226,530 47.2
74 Y Teacher Tenure 259,966 53.8 223,709 46.2
75 Y Public Union Dues 282,726 58.5 200,745 41.5
76 N Spending/Funding 223,422 46.3 258,258 53.7
77 N Redistricting 231,739 48.7 244,048 51.3
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 206,108 43.5 267,543 56.5
79 N Rx Drug Rebates 183,739 38.9 288,096 61.1
80 N Electric Regulation 169,175 36.5 294,304 63.5

Y - Proposition is passing
N - Proposition is not passing

http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:18 PM
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1. smaller precincts report fastest...from repub low population areas nt
Msongs
www.msongs.com/chinamart.htm
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:27 PM
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3. But we see a trend here
Hey, my job depends on it. I work in education. I'm a masochist.
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kaneko Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:25 PM
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2. Thanks for the post. Disappointed in SD.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:28 PM
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4. Please Tell Me It's Too Early To Panic!!
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:29 PM
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5. Is that a Diebold trend?
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:43 PM
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13. Hey, I got a sticker that said
"My vote counted."

:P

Fuckin' Diebold. Assholes.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:31 PM
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7. Too early to worry
2% of the votes?
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nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:31 PM
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6. why does cal always vote anti-union?
it's the socal influence, or at least that has a lot to do with it. damn shame.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:41 PM
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11. If Dems lost these propositions it would be because of low turnout
The polls have been in favor of Democrats. The only chance Republicans have to win is on voter turnout. If Democratic voters won't come out and vote, then they probably deserve to lose.

As long as turnout is strong in Los Angeles and Northern California, we should be able win.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:49 PM
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15. You and I both know
that that's why the parental notification prop was on there... getting the fundies out.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:00 AM
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20. To motivate the churches
If the churches can bring out more voters than the unions, we may be in trouble.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:02 AM
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23. Bread and circus...
you and I both know that the republicans don't care about abortion, and this proposition is unlikely to stop most abortions either,
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:07 AM
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26. You can't be implying that the Republicans are exploiting religion?
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 12:08 AM by Democat
Republicans would never try to exploit religious voters, would they?

The Republican party wouldn't try to get churches to tell their members to vote for initiatives supported by a pro-choice, pot smoking, gay friendly Hollywood actor? :)
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:33 PM
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8. 2.8% and probably most absentee... no need to worry yet
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:35 PM
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9. Pre-Election Polls
showed Gov. Groper losing resoundingly with the possible exceptioni of the parental notification business. I'm taking the rest with a big grain of salt. I would be shocked if the union propositioin passes.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:36 PM
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10. Nothing to worry about
The big population centers haven't reported in yet, don't worry.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:59 PM
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19. Thanks for the uplifting vibes!
:hi:
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:43 PM
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12. 11.5% reporting, not much change
73 Y Minor's Pregnancy 772,399 52.9 689,258 47.1 Map


74 Y Teacher Tenure 767,175 52.1 707,852 47.9 Map


75 Y Public Union Dues 827,430 56.3 642,835 43.7 Map


76 N Spending/Funding 655,264 44.5 815,910 55.5 Map


77 N Redistricting 692,805 47.5 763,447 52.5 Map


78 N Rx Drug Discounts 630,746 43.4 819,507 56.6 Map


79 N Rx Drug Rebates 538,140 37.2 905,941 62.8 Map


80 N Electric Regulation 490,748 34.5 928,589 65.5

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:47 PM
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14. The degree of vote will only jump in high population areas
There's no reason to panic now. This is all very early and very red areas. And really, 77 is going down and that has been the only one polling close to 50-50.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:54 PM
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16. Shame about 77
I know that most people think it would be bad for the Democratic Party, but I think it's the right thing to do. Legislatures should not be able to draw their own boundaries; its an inherent conflict of interest.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:57 PM
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17. So you think letting the right wing gerrymander the state
is a better option?
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 11:58 PM
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18. 3 random retired judges shouldn't be able to draw up the boundaries...
Edited on Tue Nov-08-05 11:59 PM by fooj
Look what happened in Texas.

Peace.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:15 AM
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99. Yeah, but...
Unless I'm forgetting something (which I could very well be) the TX re-redistricting was due to a Repug activist state legislature led by a Repug activist U.S. Congressman. I sense that the courts (dominated by Repugs as they are) would have actually produced a less ridiculously gerrymandered map than the state leg. did.

As I state in my post below, I do support judicial bodies formulating district maps over legislatures, but I would have opposed 77 for political reasons.
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chaz4jazz Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:00 AM
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21. Judges to decide on lines?
77 calls for panel of "non-partisan" judges to draw the lines. Show me a judge who is non-partisan
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:04 AM
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24. They are less partisan than Legislators
...who by definition are partisan.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:02 AM
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22. Three possibly corrupt judges don't have a conflict of interest?
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 12:02 AM by Democat
You want a Republican in a Democratic state to appoint three judges to gerrymander the state?

At least the legislature is elected by the people.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:05 AM
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25. Is the Legislature elected by the people?
...or are the people chosen by the Legislature?
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:25 AM
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29. Face it....Repukes in CA can't gain control of the Leg. at the ballot box
so they're trying this back-door manuever. Stinks to high heaven.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:41 AM
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33. That's a partisan argument
It's bad for Democrats so it must be a bad idea?

Tell me why its a bad idea without referring to any political party.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:50 AM
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39. My argument IS non-partisan
I'm not in favor of jerry-rigging redistricting to benefit one party which cannot legitimately win control of the Legislature at the ballot box. Why are you in favor of tipping the scales to benefit one particular party?
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:53 AM
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44. You are not explaining anything
Why is letting legislators draw their own districts a good idea?

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:55 AM
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45. Because it is the way it has been done
We've had Republicans AND Democrats in office. Clearly the system works. If Arnold and his buddies are pushing this through, clearly it is for a nefarious purpose.

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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:51 AM
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177. That's the way it has been done?
Give me a break. By that logic women shouldn't be voting and African Americans should still be slaves.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:51 AM
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40. Are you in California? Have you read the proposition as it is worded? n/t
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:57 AM
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48. Here you go
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:01 AM
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51. oh, I know it by heart, trust me
I was just wondering if you realized that the "cherry picked bench" approach was adapted to a specific purpose. It was cooked up by two conservative political bodies. It has a very tainted past.

Everything aside, this is bad law.


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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:29 AM
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31. If it's the right thing, why is it only Republicans are pushing for it?
And I mean pushing for it HARD. They pulled in John McCain to do a commercial.

I'm very glad to see 77 go down to defeat. I just hope the other ones headed yes turn around and go in that direction, too.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:42 AM
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34. Because it's bad for Democrats
...like I said in my post.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:46 AM
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36. I've given up on fairness. These bastards don't play fair.
We're fighting monsters here. They use our fairness to hang us. Lots of rich people vote their own interests. The middle class has to start doing the same. Time to get rough.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:51 AM
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41. At least you're honest (nt)
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:56 AM
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47. That's ridiculous
Whether legislatures should or shouldn't draw their own boundaries, to give the power to randomly selected judges where THE JUDGES ARE STATISTICALLY MUCH MORE REPUBLICAN THAN THE STATE is out-and-out thievery.

Right or wrong, the party controlling the state in an "0" year has the power to shape the future. We all live and die by that sword, except for asshole conservatives who ONLY care about winning. Altruism in a bar fight is stupidity, and it's a crime against ethics.

This is about the Republicans seizing control. They had no qualms about fairness in Colorado's redistricting, and certainly not in Texas'; in Mississippi's, they even used the Civil Rights Act to justify giving whites a more reasonable share than they should have had.

It's not the right thing to do if you're fighting against thugs who never blanch at whatever greasy tactic they can use to WIN.

This is crazy. It's an imperfect world. As they run roughshod over you with total disregard for decency or fairness, will you feel any better that you stood for a misguided false principle? Explain it to the poor and weak how your unwillingness to deal with the realities of politics cost them their lives.

The sheer folly of such arguments is madness. Do you consider it lying to not tell the truth when a guy pulls a gun on you and asks how much money you have on you? Is it "wrong" to give him the almost-empty wallet and not mention the cash in your sock?

Until the system can be uniformly adjusted, allowing one's enemies to have unfair advantages while holding oneself to some bizarre narcissistic self-glorification is not only idiotic, it's a betrayal of one's larger moral principles.

Kevin Shelley was ruined because he fought Diebold. Arnold wants to steal House seats and the state itself for the Republicans. Doe-eyed innocents are some of the most dangerous people in times like these.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #16
93. I would support that measure in principle, too
I believe that, in general, judges are more likely than legislatures to create more fairly constructed Congressional districts, and in principle this is something I support. Even if the USSC says gerrymandering for partisan purposes is acceptable, I don't think it's a positive thing.

At the same time, I believe I would likely have opposed 77 for political reasons. CA is a Dem stronghold and it would suck to see it move towards more fairly determined districts while large states with Repug-dominated legislatures like FL, PA, and TX did nothing to stop the ridiculous gerrymandering in their states. I know that reform has to start somewhere, and it generally does tend to start in liberal-leaning states. But after the re-redistricting that the Bugman did here in TX, I wouldn't want to risk falling even further behind in the Democrats' potential to retake the House. (I'm assuming that the Dems would likely lose Congressional seats if the Dem legislature weren't formulating the districts in the state; correct me if I'm wrong.) I would like to see a shift towards less partisan redistricting in the future, but I would oppose the CA measure at this point in time, for political reasons.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:09 AM
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27. Update w/ 13% in: Margins dropping for 74/75
13.0% ( 2296 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 9:01 pm

Statewide Returns County Returns | County Status

Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct.
73 Y Minor's Pregnancy 995,123 52.0 920,170 48.0
74 Y Teacher Tenure 986,806 51.1 946,433 48.9
75 Y Public Union Dues 1,059,725 55.0 870,156 45.0
76 N Spending/Funding 839,840 43.5 1,087,893 56.5
77 N Redistricting 888,567 46.5 1,020,478 53.5
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 822,139 43.2 1,079,113 56.8
79 N Rx Drug Rebates 718,620 37.9 1,172,937 62.1
80 N Electric Regulation 649,893 35.0 1,206,735 65.0
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:52 AM
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42. 75 has really tightened!
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:12 AM
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28. 15.9% very close on 73 and 74
State Ballot Measures
15.9% ( 2802 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 9:06 pm

Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct.

73 Y Minor's Pregnancy 1,064,737 51.5 1,005,222 48.5
74 Y Teacher Tenure 1,059,833 50.8 1,028,819 49.2
75 Y Public Union Dues 1,137,693 54.6 946,769 45.4
76 N Spending/Funding 899,866 43.2 1,183,015 56.8
77 N Redistricting 953,728 46.2 1,109,472 53.8
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 885,197 43.0 1,169,465 57.0
79 N Rx Drug Rebates 777,623 38.0 1,264,769 62.0
80 N Electric Regulation 699,519 34.8 1,305,201 65.2

http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:48 AM
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37. 74 is losing now. 73 might just nose down in time.
75 is a bullshit proposition, but if that's the only victory Governor Clodhopper gets, it's a rout all around.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:26 AM
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30. Election problems? Report them here- important
The election problems aren't over- the system is still a mess. so it important to monitor and be active in preventing corrupt practices.
Here's how:

If you experience any problem casting your ballot -- finding the polling place, voter intimidation, accessibility issues, voting machine problems, provisional ballot
issues, etc. -- or you witness anyone having voting problems, please immediately
call 1-866-OUR-VOTE to report the problem. Please let others know too... the same number works nationwide.

Verified Voting Foundation volunteers and staff have developed a new version of the "Election Incident Reporting System" (EIRS) to record all problems reported to 1-866-OUR-VOTE. Since 2004, hundreds of organizations and thousands of individuals in the United States have used EIRS to help protect our right to vote and assure that every vote is counted as cast. If you'd like to know more about
EIRS, please visit VerifiedVotingFoundation.org and Voteprotect.org

California had touch screen switching and other problems in 2004 election; likely even more in this one

http://www.flcv.com/californ.html
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:38 AM
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32. 22.7% 74 is now losing
22.7% ( 4011 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 9:31 pm

Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct.

73 Y Minor's Pregnancy 1,250,983 51.2 1,195,697 48.8 Map
74 N Teacher Tenure 1,230,442 49.8 1,237,532 50.2 Map
75 Y Public Union Dues 1,316,797 53.5 1,146,910 46.5 Map
76 N Spending/Funding 1,042,694 42.3 1,418,421 57.7 Map
77 N Redistricting 1,109,169 45.4 1,329,829 54.6 Map
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 1,038,512 42.7 1,389,131 57.3 Map
79 N Rx Drug Rebates 919,717 38.1 1,491,857 61.9 Map
80 N Electric Regulation 824,390 34.8 1,542,965 65.2 Map
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. Let's hope this trend continues...
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 12:46 AM by Carolab
Why is Donna Frye having trouble?
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bkcc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #35
53. Because San Diegans think they have to vote Republican.
Frye has been painted as being part of the problem because she has been a member of the city council for so long. Never mind that she voted against most of the things that have screwed up the city.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:50 AM
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38. 28.2% counted; 73 getting very close
Only winning with 50.2%; hopefully this narrowing trend will continue and it will move into the "No" column.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:53 AM
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43. By the end, the vote will be manipulated and the Gov will have his way.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:56 AM
Response to Reply #43
46. lol - I don't think so. Check the numbers
This is a push trend that isn't going away. Early returns are conservative.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:58 AM
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49. What's up with 75? The margin is narrowing, but what are its chances? eom
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:10 AM
Response to Reply #49
58. 75 is 75,000 votes ahead
That's a big margin to make up, but possible I think.

Even if 75 passes, the unions will manage it. They will come up with a form and get it passed around and still spend their money. I don't want it to pass, but it ain't gonna stop us.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:13 AM
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59. Thanks CreekDog. I still want a KO just for the gropenator. n/t
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SW FL Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:00 AM
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50. 73 now NO!! nt
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Katha Donating Member (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:02 AM
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52. YESSSS!
Goooo California!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. LA and SF county have lots of votesleft to report
I think when those come in every proposition will lose.

Remember, in California, the early returns are mostly absentee and traditionally quite Republican. This means an early lead by a Republican still turns into a Democratic win later on.

Republican early leads need to be big to actually win for them. Tonight, they weren't.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:08 AM
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55. Turdinator giving "concession speech" shortly?
n/t
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:08 AM
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56. Question: did people understand 75?
Did they "get it"? Was the campaign to educate them strong enough?

Isn't it extremely deceptive?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:14 AM
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61. It was pitched hard as "them politicians takin' our money"
Working class pitch - anyone who didn't read the material about it or didn't pay attention to crosstalk, wouldn't have known what it was. If it wins, that is why, but I'm still hopeful this will go the way of the others.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:15 AM
Response to Reply #56
62. The other day I signed a petition sponsored by Rob Reiner
that was the counter to prop 75, doing to corporations what 75 does to unions. It was a pre-emptive ballot initiative proposal in the event 75 passed... (at least that's how I understood it in the 3 minute interchange...)
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:09 AM
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57. 33.8% - All NO (except 75 - margin is narrowing)
33.8% ( 5965 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 10:02 pm


73 N Minor's Pregnancy 1,403,359 49.3 1,440,925 50.7
74 N Teacher Tenure 1,378,335 48.0 1,488,880 52.0
75 Y Public Union Dues 1,467,613 51.3 1,394,207 48.7
76 N Spending/Funding 1,159,616 40.5 1,699,343 59.5
77 N Redistricting 1,238,863 43.7 1,595,093 56.3
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 1,179,503 41.8 1,639,012 58.2
79 N Rx Drug Rebates 1,100,820 39.3 1,696,734 60.7
80 N Electric Regulation 970,889 35.3 1,775,798 64.7

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tomhayes Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #57
65. boo
How astupid are we in California to vote yes on 75??

We deserve whatever happens to us now :(
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #65
68. If that's the only one that passes, "stupid" we're not
I still think we've got a good shot at it losing.
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:13 AM
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60. Hello... this isn't over & the ballots are still being counted
and this is a very big state.

some of these yes's have turned to No's (albeit narrow margin)

so... it's way too early - in fact most of the time the results aren't finished being tallied until the next day.

However, what seems to be very clear by a wide margin at this juncture is that Ahnuld LOST big time.

I think that's a safe thing to celebrate at this juncture. But I think the Union thing will end up having been defeated in the end and certainly NO REDISTRICTING by APPOINTED PARTISAN JUDGES.

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:17 AM
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63. Big Win for Judge Wapner!!! ;o)
Californians will know what I mean. :o)
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:20 AM
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66. Apparently he got really riled when the Groper called him a "fake judge"
At that point, Wapner had only done a print ad. That is what got him to do the TV thing. :)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:23 AM
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69. Yeah, Wapner was a real judge
The People's Court thing was after he retired if memory serves.

What a jerk-inator.

Also, since 76 got toasted tonight, when does Arnold raise taxes, as we agree that he needs to do.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:36 AM
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72. And Ah-Nuld is a fake governor. n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #63
67. Looks like LA county has only submitted absentee votes thus far.
Shows 1% reporting, unless it's an error, perhaps Arnold got shut out.

Margin for 75 is down to 73,000 votes. Steep hill though.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:29 AM
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70. OC has a much larger chunk counted - LA has fewer in count
LA is substantially more liberal than OC, of course. Then again, 1940s Berlin was substantially more liberal than OC (just joking DU oc'ers, I went to school in Orangia).
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:37 AM
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73. WHAT HAPPENED??? Channel 2 Now showing 77 WINNING
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:41 AM
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76. No way... check out Secretary of State website
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:43 AM
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78. Just Did - KTVU must be brain-dead. It is a Faux affliate
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #78
86. Trying to head off public outrage if it gets flipped? n/t
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:18 AM
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64. Schwarzenegger looks more plastic than normal
World's fakest laugh
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:30 AM
Response to Reply #64
71. Yeah, and his ego is just unacceptable.
He was a body builder and a bad actor who married a Kennedy.

What's he got to gloat about so much?

Walking into a diner in Chico where everyone was having breakfast and announcing "it's on me" like some kind of feudal lord...

Yuck.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:40 AM
Response to Reply #71
75. Alameda, Santa Clara and LA counts are lagging
Big margins for Democrats in all three with a total population of 13 million.

Margin for prop 75 down to 55k votes at 40% reporting, it was 75k at 30% reporting.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #75
77. Prop 75 margin down to 30,000 votes
with 45% reporting.

Guess what, No is coming up on the inside!

:o)
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:40 AM
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74. 75 only 1% behind now
With 45.2% reporting.. it's closing fast..
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #74
79. Yes!!!! n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #79
80. But Orange, San Bernardino and Riverside are lagging too
Oh man. Long night. Here's hoping our Bay Area turnout beats theirs!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:45 AM
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81. Are Riverside/San Berdu *that* conservative? n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #81
82. Yup, Riv., SBern somewhat conservative, here's a map
Not as bad as Orange County, but still quite a few votes in the "yes" column.

http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/mapR075.htm
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:52 AM
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83. LA County is bigger and liberal as hell
(Aside from the inland empire and some of the valley, but you can't have everything)
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #82
84. Ew... that does look nasty...
So the question is can the LA/Alameda counts keep the trend going;
there's something seriously wrong the "2.7%" reporting number given for LA; that would indicate something like 120 million votes in LA, given almost 4 million counted. And I know it's crowded here, but...
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:59 AM
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89. Sorry! Scratch what I typed..
Was looking at *statewide* numbers, not county numbers. "D'ohhh!"
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #82
87. Look how San Francisco votes...incredible!
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 02:00 AM by CreekDog
San Francisco County Returns County Returns | Statewide | County

Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct

73 N Minor's Pregnancy 20.5 / 79.5
74 N Teacher Tenure 22.7 / 77.3
75 N Public Union Dues 22.9 / 77.1
76 N Spending/Funding 15.3 / 84.7
77 N Redistricting 20.4 / 79.6

(Big Pharma measure)
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 25.0 / 75.0
(State negotiated discounts)

79 Y Rx Drug Rebates 64.2 / 35.8
80 Y Electric Regulation 52.2 / 47.8
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:17 AM
Response to Reply #87
101. Wow, looks like they followed Boxer
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 02:18 AM by Carolab
My brother lives there and he's pretty pissed
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #87
103. I used to LOVE voting in SF.
They split the voting by party in my precinct. There would be a huge line of Dems and one or two measly Repukes getting glared at.
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:54 AM
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85. Still waiting for a couple million more votes
As long as Orange County isn't the last district to be counted, I think we will be fine.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:56 AM
Response to Reply #85
88. 75's gap is *widening* now slightlyl.. not good...
It just went from 1% behind with a 30,000 vote delta to 1.2% behind, with 38,000 delta. Let's hope that was an OC bubble.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:00 AM
Response to Reply #88
90. Better news! Now only 0.6 % behind...
And I'm going to calm down and shut up for a while.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:03 AM
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91. Only 17,000 votes behind at just over the halfway mark counted
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:04 AM
Response to Reply #90
92. 75's margin down to 16k with 53% reporting
Those liberal votes are coming through.

Still lots of votes out there from Contra Costa, Alameda, Santa Clara, Yolo and of course, LA, the big one. Probably outweighs what Riverside and San Bernardino will muster.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:11 AM
Response to Reply #92
95. 75 now trailing
liberal counties with large uncounts:
Alameda, Contra Costa, Yolo, LA

conservative with large uncounts:
San Diego, Orange, San Bernardino
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HDPaulG Donating Member (221 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:10 AM
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94. 75 is now a "NO"
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FrannyD Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:12 AM
Response to Reply #94
96. hooray!!!
KICK
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:16 AM
Response to Reply #96
100. Man, is THAT close.... but the spread is increasing...
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 02:16 AM by Carolab
Fingers crossed for you all...
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:18 AM
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102. Please translate to the rest of us
What is going on? Thanks.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:20 AM
Response to Reply #102
105. 75 is an Arnold measure to hurt unions
requiring them to get written permission from each member to spend on politics.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:14 AM
Response to Reply #94
97. Alameda and Contra Costa #'s starting to come in
I think that's affecting this swing, but there are still a lot more votes from those counties to report.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:15 AM
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98. 75 now 20k behind
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #98
104. We would love to shut Conan out tonight!
That's what he gets for blaming the state's problems on our teachers, firefighters, police, nurses and other civil servants.

LA votes still flowing in now. Only 15% precincts counted.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:22 AM
Response to Reply #104
106. All of Arnold's measures losing (57% counted)
The closest, Prop 75 is now behind by 25,000 votes, the gap increasing.

LA county, Democratic, has many uncounted votes, only 14% of precincts reporting.
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:24 AM
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107. Results as of 1:25 am CST with 57% of precincts reporting.
State Ballot Measures
57.0% ( 10066 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 11:13 pm

Statewide Returns County Returns | County Status

Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct.

73 N Minor's Pregnancy 2,002,414 49.2 2,060,887 50.8 Map


74 N Teacher Tenure 1,927,964 47.0 2,166,589 53.0 Map


75 N Public Union Dues 2,031,465 49.6 2,056,602 50.4 Map


76 N Spending/Funding 1,628,257 39.8 2,455,350 60.2 Map


77 N Redistricting 1,731,957 42.7 2,319,524 57.3 Map


78 N Rx Drug Discounts 1,690,546 42.0 2,333,359 58.0 Map


79 N Rx Drug Rebates 1,556,400 38.9 2,435,482 61.1 Map


80 N Electric Regulation 1,363,257 34.7 2,560,385 65.3 Map




Y - Proposition is passing
N - Proposition is not passing


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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:27 AM
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108. 65% reporting NO on 75 UP By 47,000 votes
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:29 AM
Response to Reply #108
109. CA Sec. State still reporting for prop 75 (4k margin/59% reporting)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:30 AM
Response to Reply #109
110. I feel like I'm watching a no-hitter in the 7th inning.
Nervous, nervous.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:32 AM
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113. Yeah, it's a real nail biter.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:32 AM
Response to Reply #109
112. Orange county has 60% reporting, so hopefully no surprises
and the margin should extend as LA and Alameda come in..
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:31 AM
Response to Reply #108
111. That is great news!!!! WOOOHOOO!!
:bounce:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:36 AM
Response to Reply #111
114. I think this will go our way
% reporting:

LA 21
Alameda (oakland-berkeley) 30
Santa Clara (san jose) 24
San Bernardino (red state) 31
Contra Costa (inner bay area) 29
Solano (inner bay area) 39
Stanislaus (central valley-reddish) 38
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:38 AM
Response to Reply #114
115. Agree with you..
If the last 80% of LA precincts track the same way as the first 20%, it will pick up 200,000 more "no" votes.. unless my math is horribly twisted, as it was in an earlier post.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:41 AM
Response to Reply #115
116. Large chunk of LA votes so far are absentees
Those tend to be more conservative.

Late counts don't tend to include absentees (only those dropped off on election night).

Margin is now 30k against prop 75. A slug of votes came in from Contra Costa, Ventura and the Central Valley and we're still ahead and increasing.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:46 AM
Response to Reply #116
117. Would be nice to see the "red counties" go to 80% counted..
And *still* be ahead of them, even before LA and Alameda weigh in...
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:48 AM
Response to Reply #117
119. 71.1% counted and still trending better up by 43,000 +-
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #119
123. I think it may be over!
LA is going even heavily "no"... still 60% of precincts to count.. the "yes" folks are pretty much "spent"... IMHO, that is..
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:50 AM
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120. bang.. Orange County at 75%... who's left for the
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:47 AM
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118. 43K ahead now..
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:51 AM
Response to Reply #118
121. Only red counties less than 60% counted are:
San Bernardino and Butte (Butte is small and not very red).

Blue counties south of 60% reporting are:

LA, Solano, Sonoma, Santa Clara, Contra Costa.

I think Arnold's night just got longer.
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #118
122. Prop 75 ahead by 75 K with 75% reporting n/t
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 02:53 AM by cosmicone
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #122
125. I'm betting about 250K more *NO* votes when it's all over
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:53 AM
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124. 71.1% ( 12547 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 11:38 pm
Governator is DOA - politically!


73 N Minor's Pregnancy Yes 2,404,362 49.2% No 2,475,349 50.8% Map


74 N Teacher Tenure Yes 2,323,056 47.2% No 2,592,892 52.8% Map


75 N Public Union Dues Yes 2,432,937 49.5% No 2,475,918 50.5% Map


76 N Spending/Funding Yes 1,968,087 40.1% No 2,934,901 59.9% Map


77 N Redistricting Yes 2,087,236 42.8% No 2,779,976 57.2% Map


78 N Rx Drug Discounts Yes 2,030,162 42.0% No 2,801,059 58.0% Map


79 N Rx Drug Rebates Yes 1,841,337 38.4% No 2,949,805 61.6% Map


80 N Electric Regulation Yes 1,605,987 34.0% No 3,104,787 66.0% Map



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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #124
126. 68k margin against 75
If turnout is 40% statewide, for 75 to win, the remaining votes need to break 54Y/46N. Unlikely, especially with so many votes from the Bay Area remaining. Bay Area's been voting 60+% against this proposition generally.

You're not supposed to say it's over until it is. But it's darn close.
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:58 AM
Response to Reply #124
127. 72.7% ( 12829 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 11:48 pm
The gap is growing!


73 N Minor's Pregnancy 2,451,775 49.1 2,533,041 50.9 Map


74 N Teacher Tenure 2,364,405 47.0 2,658,074 53.0 Map


75 N Public Union Dues 2,473,982 49.3 2,541,746 50.7 Map


76 N Spending/Funding 2,003,295 39.9 3,006,680 60.1 Map


77 N Redistricting 2,123,364 42.6 2,850,398 57.4 Map


78 N Rx Drug Discounts 2,075,825 42.0 2,860,973 58.0 Map


79 N Rx Drug Rebates 1,883,496 38.4 3,011,043 61.6 Map


80 N Electric Regulation 1,642,626 34.1 3,169,661 65.9 Map



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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:03 AM
Response to Reply #127
129. 75 loses unless remaining votes break 56Y/44N
based on ~40% turnout.

Margin is 82k against.
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The Judged Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #124
132. 75.4% ( 13314 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 8, 2005 at 11:59 pm
DOA before midnight on Election Day!



73 N Minor's Pregnancy 2,517,509 49.2 2,597,689 50.8 Map


74 N Teacher Tenure 2,420,126 46.9 2,733,358 53.1 Map


75 N Public Union Dues 2,530,856 49.1 2,615,823 50.9 Map


76 N Spending/Funding 2,050,840 39.8 3,089,884 60.2 Map


77 N Redistricting 2,173,842 42.5 2,929,739 57.5 Map


78 N Rx Drug Discounts 2,130,455 42.0 2,934,753 58.0 Map


79 N Rx Drug Rebates 1,930,340 38.4 3,091,818 61.6 Map


80 N Electric Regulation 1,681,661 34.0 3,256,964 66.0 Map



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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:59 AM
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128. First time I've been happy on election night since.........
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #128
130. 1992?
That was unmitigated happiness and my first Presidential :)

This isn't quite that good, but I'll take it as a good sign!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:06 AM
Response to Reply #130
131. Yeah.. that was the best... This is feeling pretty good too, though
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #130
133. I remembered 1992 so well! I was at work on 2nd shift and I couldn't
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:11 AM by Rainscents
concentrate! lol
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:12 AM
Response to Reply #133
135. Nice to think that maybe we could feel that way again..
If nothing else, this is a healthy step in the right direction, especially coupled with Virinia and New Jersey... Man.. it would be great to have our country back!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:17 AM
Response to Reply #135
141. There were so many dem's are being elected throu out the country
tonight, it's unreal!! Even here at Washington, most people who were elected are dem's!
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:10 AM
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134. No on 75 > Yes by 101,000 with 78% reporting
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #134
136. 121k margin with 77% reporting
Okay, now it's over!

We shut Arnold out! Now who are the girly men? Republicans!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:14 AM
Response to Reply #134
137. Okay.. any counties that could be nasty surprises
in the home stretch?? 100K is pretty tough to overcome ("he said, hopefully..")
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:20 AM
Original message
Not surmountable
Assuming 40% turnout, remaining votes need to break 65Y/35N for Prop 75 to win. Prop. 75's strongest counties gave it 64Y/36N.

Also, many of these remaining votes, in fact, the largest chunk, must come from LA County. I think you can go to sleep. :)
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:14 AM
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138. Wow... Numbers are widening for no!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:16 AM
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139. 160K plus!
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:16 AM
Response to Reply #138
140. Just saw that! COOL!
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:17 AM by Carolab
This is exciting!

Looks like one big fat "NO" to Ah-Nuld!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:17 AM
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142. I'm afraid to go to bed; last time I did, they took Florida away from Al!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:19 AM
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143. LOL... I know, I was thinking the same!
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:19 AM
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144. High 5, California
We done good. It was a long, hard road, but we whipped his ass and handed him his hat. I can go to sleep now with happy blue dreams.

Thanks to everyone who made this happen.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:20 AM
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146. Now we start working to defeat him.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:20 AM
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147. Good night and sleep well!
:-)
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:19 AM
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145. Wow, they are going to shoot them ALL down!
I dont know much about the propositions, but I take it No = Good in most of these?
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #145
148. Since the "big four" were all "Ahnulds", votes against them were
votes against him.. so, yes... good...
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:25 AM
Response to Reply #148
152. Arnold knew the result
That's why he conceded at 8:30pm. They knew what was happening.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #145
149. YES!!!
:)
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #149
150. We should all sleep a *little* better tonight..
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:24 AM
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151. Do you have new update numbers? last time. 78% came in.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:25 AM
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153. 81.9%, 168K ahead
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:26 AM
Response to Reply #151
154. Prop 75 (52N/48Y) 82% reporting margin is 168k votes
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:27 AM by CreekDog
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:28 AM
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156. Wow... I am soooooooooo happy for California and American people!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:29 AM
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159. Will be interesting to see how they "spin" this big loss...
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #151
155. Orange County is at 100%.. I think we're "pretty" safe
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:29 AM
Response to Reply #155
157. LA (33% reporting) Alameda Co. (56% reporting)
Two big liberal counties. These are the counties where most of the remaining votes are.

There you go.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #155
160. Shall we party now?
:toast: :toast: :toast: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :party: :party: :party:
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ErisFiveFingers Donating Member (354 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:29 AM
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158. 81.9% ( 14457 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 9, 2005 at 12:19 am
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:30 AM by ErisFiveFingers
73 N Minor's Pregnancy 2,632,074 48.5 2,785,015 51.5 Map
74 N Teacher Tenure 2,530,419 46.3 2,927,366 53.7 Map
75 N Public Union Dues 2,641,042 48.4 2,809,872 51.6 Map
76 N Spending/Funding 2,139,899 39.3 3,304,821 60.7 Map
77 N Redistricting 2,272,831 42.0 3,133,631 58.0 Map
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 2,240,598 41.7 3,124,777 58.3 Map
79 N Rx Drug Rebates 2,052,110 38.5 3,267,023 61.5 Map
80 N Electric Regulation 1,782,839 34.0 3,449,095 66.0 Map

73 and 75 are the only ones still in contention, it seems.

(edit: 81.9, not 1.9)
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:30 AM
Response to Reply #158
161. Now over 200K ahead
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:31 AM
Response to Reply #161
162. Demo Message: CA election was referendum on Arnold
That's why voters voted No on everything!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:31 AM
Response to Reply #162
163. And, indirectly, a referendum on Shrub, too.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:33 AM
Response to Reply #158
164. 73 and 75 probably can't flip
I don't think there are enough remaining votes to flip 73 or 75, although they are somewhat close. The margins to flip from the remaining votes just would be too large to be plausible without fraud.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:35 AM
Response to Reply #164
166. We've come a long way in four hours... i was worried earlier
About 74-77
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:34 AM
Response to Reply #158
165. It looks like, mostly not counted is very blue area... This is good news!
We are alwmost there folks!!!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:38 AM
Response to Reply #165
167. Prop 75: early LA county returns 50Y-50N/ now 42Y-58N
LA County: 42Y 51N (41%reporting)
Alameda County: 31Y 69N (56% reporting)

75 is looking worse and worse and Berkeley, Oakland and LA will not save it.
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:39 AM
Response to Reply #167
168. Yeah... only Diebold could turn it around now...
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:42 AM
Response to Reply #168
169. Even at that, numbers are too large and mostly Dem county that is left
to be counted. Orange county 100% counted!
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MedicineHat Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:50 AM
Response to Reply #169
170. Yeah.. was just being facetious... (I hope, anyway..)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:56 AM
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171. good work nurses and teachers!
They've been following Arnold around the state for months now.

Now they voted, and they brought a lot of folks with them.

And Virginia and another Democratic governor. NJ too. As for NYC, he's not much of a Republican. Didn't he endorse Kerry?!

But now the Democrats have to start winning the big prizes, not just these off-year dealies.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:10 AM
Response to Reply #171
173. Believe it or not, lots of Dem's won the election through out the country
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 04:10 AM by Rainscents
tonight!!! Even at very red states! I believe, grassroots organizing by H. Dean... all 50 states from ground up is working!!!
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Polemonium Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:07 AM
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172. 86.2% ( 15222 of 17657 )
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 04:08 AM by Polemonium
73 N Minor's Pregnancy 2,779,963 48.2 2,984,224 51.8
74 N Teacher Tenure 2,670,239 45.9 3,138,234 54.1
75 N Public Union Dues 2,780,560 47.9 3,021,345 52.1
76 N Spending/Funding 2,257,680 38.9 3,538,060 61.1
77 N Redistricting 2,397,920 41.6 3,357,515 58.4
78 N Rx Drug Discounts 2,380,806 41.6 3,330,461 58.4
79 N Rx Drug Rebates 2,184,975 38.6 3,475,304 61.4
80 N Electric Regulation 1,897,523 34.0 3,671,040 66.0
http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm

Finally, a election result that will let me sleep well.

I hope this marks the death of "special elections".

What a waste of $.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:11 AM
Response to Reply #172
174. No shit! Power to the people!!!
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:13 AM
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175. A reporter said Warren Beatty might come crash Gropenfuhrer's party.
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 04:17 AM by pinniped
He will be disappointed because Herr Gropenfuhrer crawled out, made a lame speech, and booked.

Later, KTVU-2 went back live to the reporter at the repuke's Beverly Hills party and everyone had absconded.
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:16 AM
Response to Reply #175
176. LOL.. that is funny!
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