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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:19 AM
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Voters reject Schwarzenegger reform proposals
Voters reject Schwarzenegger reform proposals
09/11/2005 - 07:52:15

California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger suffered a major political setback when voters decisively rejected two of his ballot proposals, including his centrepiece plan to slow state spending, in a special election that became a referendum on his leadership.

Schwarzenegger’s proposal to strip state politicians of their power to carry out redistricting also failed.

A third Schwarzenegger-backed measure was also trailing; it would make teachers work five years instead of two to pass probation.

The only one of the governor’s four “year of reform” proposals with a lead - by a slim margin – would require public-employee unions to get members’ permission before their dues could be used for political purposes.
(snip/...)

http://www.breakingnews.ie/2005/11/09/story229373.html
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:21 AM
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1. Dear Republicans,
California says, "Fuck You".

As of 12:14 PM, all of Arnie's initiatives have failed.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:24 AM
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2. I believe in other countries they would call this a...
VOTE OF NO CONFIDENCE!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:34 AM
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3. Did anyone see LA Channel 4 news 2night?
There was a political analyst on saying how this was good thing for steroid boy. He can use this to get back to the friendly, popular governor we all love

(Love to see gone is more like it)

Where DO they find these people?
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:44 AM
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6. I saw the head of the CA repuke party and he said the same thing.
Only in Bizarro World would this be a victory for the Gropenator.

I also saw Groper's speech and I'm not buying it. It was nothing more than the "I'm looking forward to working with the legislature" BS first heard a couple years ago.

This asshole lost and now he's supposed to be Mr. Nice guy.

Watch out, this POS trying to reinvent himself.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:28 AM
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9. Ahnie has no choice but to try and work with the Leg. His initiatives
were an end run around the Leg and an attack on its constitutional power and authority. With the failure of Ahnie's props, clearly a referendum on Schwarzenegger himself, he's got no leverage with which to continue to threaten and intimidate the Leg as he did before. The initiative process worked once before for him, but this time was a disaster.

I suspect, despite their public face saving, Ahnie's really not too popular among CA Repub politicians. I suspect he never really was that popular with the Repub pols since he wasn't one of their club, but an annointed corporate tool from outside their ranks. They went along with his initiative gamble but I bet some of them aren't crying too much over his failure as it cuts him down to size. But I also bet some of them may be worried about any possible blowback on them. Bush and Ahnie are no longer assets but liabilities.

Ahnie may actually find the Dems far more congenial to deal with than those of his own party in the Leg. We'll see. I suspect Ahnie's reported film deals were insurance. He may well decide he doesn't want to go before the voters again next year.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:26 AM
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41. I think your suspicions are correct. his fellow republi-CONS are likely
feeling more than a little betrayed.

They had pinned a LOT of hopes on this guy. On paper, it looked terrific. A no-brainer. Hollywood star power, across-the-board appeal, built-in wealth they could fall back on in reality or in mere perception just in case, and a guy with a proven track record on how to use PR and manipulate the media.

And it all FAILED.

They thought they'd found their next standard-bearer - an appealing figure around whom they could build a whole new kind of Shred-the-Constitution campaign. First, get rid of that annoying amendment that says you have to be born an American...

Believe me - JOB ONE for the GOP at the moment is beyond bush. They've just had it proven to them that bush is a lame duck - that you trot him out for something and you LOSE. He has NO political capital to spend, AT ALL. That's all gone, along with his luster as the true Son of Reagan and the new messiah to usher them into several generations of republi-CON dominion over all they survey. They knew they were going to have to get to this REALITY sooner or later, because bush is in his ill-gotten second AND LAST term. I bet they didn't expect that moment to arrive this soon. Sooner or later they were going to HAVE to look seriously beyond bush, and I suspect that many of the party higher-ups had, deep down, already anointed arnold as the understudy. He started to falter awhile ago, but I bet they were prepared to overlook that because, of course, everybody knew the Terminator would prevail in the end, just like he does in the movies.

But it didn't happen that way. A surprise ending! And now they've got to regroup more seriously than they expected. Scratch arnold, that dog won't hunt. Here's the proof, now. Back to the drawing board. And they really don't have ANYBODY who looks like he or she is ready to step up and take over. They'll look at McCain and Guiliani - that's about it for bench strength. But everybody else is now proven to be damaged goods who won't take them the distance. frist? Forget it. delay? Dead meat. santorum? He looks like a goner even more, now, since the party's lost its momentum and his Democratic challenger was already showing bigtime strength even BEFORE all of this. I mean, who've they got? normie coleman? That pasteurized, process frist-look-alike in Colorado? ralph reed? mitt romney?

Besides, it's kind of a rough time for kkkarl to wake up the next morning and realize he's got his work cut out for him. He already HAS his work cut out for him - in the form of KEEPING HIS OWN ASS OUT OF FITZGERALD'S CLUTCHES. I think he may be a little preoccuppied at the moment by his own personal woes, no less those of his brother-in-arms, georgie-poo, who gained NO traction last night, and who is now in even more desperate need of an increasingly unlikely comeback.

What's that they say about 'all the king's horses and all the king's men'?
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #3
68. I know who you're talking about ..
she's a Repug hack.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:38 PM
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75. We did it CA, the Terminator is effectively, TERMINATED
The NO votes on Auhnold's props was SO WIDE HE COULD DRIVE HIS 10 HUMMERS THROUGH IT!!
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:38 AM
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4. How can Maria stand this person?
Out of curiousity.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:46 AM
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7. She also can't be too happy

that he reportedly spent 7 million dollars of his own (ie theirs) on the campaign for the propositions.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #4
44. she married him when she was young and naive. Now stuck with him
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:38 PM
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76. Maria is a good girl-NO divorce
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:03 PM
Response to Reply #76
90. Kennedy girls look
the other way in exchange for money, prestige, clothes, travel and someone else to do the cooking and cleaning! You would think a smart, intelligent woman from her background would know better. It makes me so damn mad when good liberals, progressive, democrats cozy up to evil doers. Oh Maria, why in God's name are you with this poor excuse for a man?
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:09 AM
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56. she's got stockholm syndrome. she needs to be rescued from thee abuser
you've heard how he enjoys humiliating her in public right?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:43 AM
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5. The One Term-inator
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:26 AM
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8. ONE TERM-inator
That's brilliant!
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:18 AM
Response to Reply #8
59. Hasta La Vista... baby
Good riddance.
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One_of_8 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:28 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. Don't go away mad
just go away, Gropenator!
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:29 AM
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10. The Republinator falls short.....
...:nopity:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
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11. Arnold's Reforms Terminated (ALL of them)
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 04:29 AM by Maddy McCall
Arnold's reforms terminated
After voters reject his propositions, governor vows to find common ground' with opponents
By Steve Geissinger - SACRAMENTO BUREAU



SACRAMENTO Climaxing a record-breaking $300 million special-election upheaval, California voters all but crushed Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's “Year of Reform” package Tuesday, except for his adopted measure limiting union dues' political use that was narrowly failing. (edit to add that Prop 75 - limiting union dues - has also been soundly defeated, as of 12:28 Cali time.)

With 60 percent of precincts reporting, Schwarzenegger's reform centerpiece, the Proposition 76 spending limit, was rejected 60 percent “no” to 40 percent “yes,” plunging next year's political and budget battles into greater uncertainty.

Schwarzenegger downplayed the unfavorable outcome, saying now “we are going to go and find common ground” with special election enemies.

“We need more bipartisan cooperation. I promise I will deliver that,” Schwarzenegger told supporters in Beverly Hills. “Californians are sick and tired of the fighting. Tomorrow we begin anew.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_3196436
*******************************

With 90.1 percent of precincts reporting, all of the Governator's reforms have been 86'd, including Prop 75.

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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. 'Tis a wonder, how accommodating you become. . .
when your ass is served steaming to you on a platter.
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lwin Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
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13. YEAH
How sweet it is...hasta la vista, girlie man. :rofl:
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
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14. Do you have new update numbers? last time. 85% came in.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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33. 99.3 percent in now.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
15. Excellent News
watching an O'Lielly repeat now on Fox....he thinks they are going to pass. Poor billy :evilgrin:
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
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16. LOL... Dream on O'liely!
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
17. 300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion
300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion 300 million 300 milllion


Arnold you sure like to spend the taxpayer's money just like Bushie....
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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29. "Arnold's expensive tax-payer-funded folly"
I thought it was 40 million - did the elections cost 300 million? Even worse. Voters have to be reminded of this - there would have been no special election had arnie not chosen to force this "extra election".
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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32. The election actually cost somewhere around $40 to $60 million. . .
that's money out of state coffers needed to prepare the ballots and hold the vote.
The $300 million figure is the total amount spent on advertising, private polls, GOTV efforts, etc. Since that money was given by corporations and unions, as well as the individual citizens interested in influencing the outcome, it's not actually "taxpayer" money. Still in all, it was a hefty sum to waste on an election that should have never occurred.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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36. hence "Arnold's Folly"
there needs to be a catch phrase used to refer to his wanton use of taxpayers $ for an election (and cost) that wouldn't have happened, that the public didn't favor, all because he is a bully. Everytime he tries to push something opportunistic the term ought to be reapplied.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:40 PM
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82. of course, OC had a special election in October ...
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 03:25 PM by cosmicdot
to replace Chris Cox in the 48th ... and, that certainly had to cost something; and, since no one had a majority of votes' cast, there will be another held in December ... 3 elections in about 60 days time frame ...

http://www.steveyoungforcongress.com/


I just wish there could have been a recall initiative on yesterday's card ... to make it a clean sweep ...

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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #11
18. My daughter stood in line a long time in Los Angeles yesterday.
She said it was like a party at the polling place!
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #18
20. LOL.. that is funny!
Wish I was there to party with them!
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:10 AM
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19. Don't fall for it. Gropenfuhrer blabbled this same crap a couple years...
ago.

--“We need more bipartisan cooperation. I promise I will deliver that,” Schwarzenegger told supporters in Beverly Hills. “Californians are sick and tired of the fighting. Tomorrow we begin anew.--

This piece of elephant dung cost us over $50,000,000.00 for this special election crap.
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:18 AM
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58. This piece of elephant dung cost us over $50,000,000.00 for this special e
Yes and we do not forget this either. We shove this in the groper's mouth if he dare to run next year.

That $50,000,000 could have paid for a lot of health care for people in California, fixed many roads in California, retrofitted many building against earthquakes in California, could have HELPED many person here in California.

However, the bottom line is this: The gropenfuhrer has terminated himself. This is the end of this charlatan thank god!

:kick:

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #58
72. He has already declared he is going to run
He may back down from that and never file in the spring, but he has said he is going to run again. Better yet, the repubs put up somebody and they kick each others butts in the primary. Better yet, he runs on the repub ticket uncontested and shows what idiots the republicans are.

It is one thing to be wrong Arnold, it is another thing to make an ass out of yourself in public proving you are wrong.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #72
74. if he so decides...
we'll be waiting. :evilgrin:
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
21. The Terminoid Has Failed In His Mission
It is not programmed to self-terminate. You must lower it into the molten metal.

*hums Brad Fidel theme in annoying high-pitched, nasal squeak*
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Sleepless In NY Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #21
22. Congrats California!
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #22
31. Since we must be related......
The up to the minute count is:

http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm


State Ballot Measures
99.3% ( 17531 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 9, 2005 at 3:06 am

Statewide Returns County Returns | County Status

Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct.

73 N Minor's Pregnancy 3,105,073 47.5 3,427,170 52.5


74 N Teacher Tenure 2,963,932 45.0 3,621,775 55.0


75 N Public Union Dues 3,070,092 46.6 3,509,182 53.4


76 N Spending/Funding 2,503,351 38.0 4,070,189 62.0


77 N Redistricting 2,653,521 40.6 3,876,539 59.4


78 N Rx Drug Discounts 2,694,764 41.5 3,783,835 58.5


79 N Rx Drug Rebates 2,497,988 38.9 3,914,598 61.1


80 N Electric Regulation 2,166,579 34.3 4,143,956 65.7





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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
23. Saw Arnie
on the 11:00 news, saying that on Thursday he was going to sit down with the Legeslatures and "find common ground". 300 million later???
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lakeguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
24. oops! nt
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
25. this are the numbers a thing of beauty
County Reporting Status Feedback

State Ballot Measures
91.5% ( 16158 of 17657 ) precincts reporting as of Nov 9, 2005 at 1:35 am

Statewide Returns County Returns | County Status

Propositions Yes Votes Pct. No Votes Pct.

73 N Minor's Pregnancy 2,874,630 47.9 3,125,959 52.1 Map

74 N Teacher Tenure 2,751,880 45.5 3,296,177 54.5 Map

75 N Public Union Dues 2,860,935 47.3 3,180,582 52.7 Map

76 N Spending/Funding 2,324,646 38.5 3,710,893 61.5 Map

77 N Redistricting 2,469,561 41.1 3,524,756 58.9 Map

78 N Rx Drug Discounts 2,476,177 41.6 3,471,899 58.4 Map

79 N Rx Drug Rebates 2,285,256 38.7 3,607,753 61.3 Map

80 N Electric Regulation 1,982,917 34.1 3,815,091 65.9 Map


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Y - Proposition is passing
N - Proposition is not passing
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #25
26. Over 94% now.
I simply couldn't believe the numbers when I saw them. I went out for a couple of hours and simply couldn't believe it. I had to come here to see if I was going crazy.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #26
51. I knew Arnold had the potential to make me happy.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
27. Prop 73
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 05:21 AM by pinniped
Check this out:

--Don Sebastiani, a former assemblyman who helped finance the signature-gathering effort that got the amendment on the ballot, said he was “guardedly optimistic” after seeing the number of people who supported it in traditionally liberal areas such as Humboldt and Marin counties.--


Prop 73 - Abortion Notification
Marin

Precincts Reporting: 218 Of 218 100%
Winner Candidate Incumbent Votes Vote %
No 48,797 75%
Yes 16,101 24%


Obviously those people he talked to were just pretending they were from Marin County.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #27
63. I lived in the Bay Area for a number of years and now
I am back in my oppressive home state of Ohio...(ugh)...but I am so proud of Marin, SF, San Mateo counties (where I resided). I was more concerned over Issue 73 than I was RON here in Ohio.

How I miss those tolerant, brilliant people of Northern California...I need to come visit.

Thank you California voters for saving the rest of the nation from the likes of Issue 73....this will give those intolerant patriarchs pause.

Even though RON failed here in Ohio, we did get some good news...Mark Mallory is mayor of Cincinnati! He defeated the son of former CEO of Proctor & Gamble....David Pepper. I was so happy....you can imagine how much $ Pepper spent to win and it didn't work! Mark Mallory, by the way, is Afro-American...I believe he can begin to change this city's racist patterns. He will be a wonderful mayor.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #11
28. Initiative process was Ahnie's "big stick" over the Legislature. If they
didn't play ball with him, he'd go to the "peepul." He did and appears to have had his head resoundingly handed to him by the people.

With 97.1% of precincts reporting at 2:36 am PST, Ahnie's "big stick" is a shrunken twig.

Sweet.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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30. Absolutely thrilling. Harbinger of good things to come. Good people
of California, way to go.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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34. Take that Arnie. And thanks California--You give us all hope!!
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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37. Yup. Now we just have to give Ohio a "tune up".
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 07:08 AM by henslee
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:11 AM
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35. Arnold's reforms terminated --love the headline.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:51 AM
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55. Thank you! After all that
money POURED in by huge corporations to help arnie with his props..the voters(I LOVE THEM :loveya:) sent the gropenator a resounding NO!!

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primative1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:37 AM
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38. 25th Anniversary Gift Ideas ....
This is a little off topic but not so much so. I thought Id put it here and see if any of you DUers have any ideas.
My sister and law and her spouse are celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary soon and I am clueless as to what would be the perfect gift for them on their special day.
First I must tell you that they are both raving BushBots and we have not seen eachother for any reason in years that has not deteriorated into a political shouting match, with the both of them clinging to whatever Faux's daily talking points are at the time.
For my wifes birthday they were nice enough to donate money to their church and give my wife a card saying a mass would be said in her name. This is especialy nice since we are both agnostic and also because the card read "some people need to be prayed for".
I was thinking the perfect gift for them would be for us to donate money to the democratic party (or related cause) in their name, but wonder how I could do this in a way that would generate getting a nice gift card stating what we had done FOR THEM.
I thought about getting a nice Dean Democracy Bond but there is no actual paper involved.
Does anyone know of anything that would give us some apaper or card stating what we had done? :)
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:58 AM
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46. I believe the ACLU would provide you with a gift card.....
You could insert it lovingly in their anniversary card and add "Because some people need help".
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:51 AM
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64. Too funny! I bet if you contacted any County's Democratic Party...
they would be happy to type up a letter on official Democratic Party stationary and send it to the bu$hbots.

That would be soooooo sweeeeeeeet! Contact the county they live in!!! LOL.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:54 AM
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39. To quote Linda Hamilton...
"You're terminated, fucker!"
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 08:57 AM
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40. “I feel the same tonight as that night two years ago ... says Arnold Huh?
Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.
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thingsarelookingup Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:31 AM
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42. WhooHoo
Thank goodness enough of my fellow Californians decided to stand up and say "Enough". As a PTA President, I know they hit Prop. 76 really hard. I bombarded my 800+ parents with facts forwarded from state PTA offices. The "mommy network" is a pretty tough opponent. I'm off for a celebratory cuppa joe from Peet's. Have a good one.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:50 AM
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45. he felt sick both nights---first, because he had to take over CA with
all its problems and no political experience; 2nd, because he LOST
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:32 AM
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43. All 4 rejected
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expatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:21 AM
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47. Thank god! The union dues one was critical for me. I wouldn't have
been able to even celebrate "partial victory" without that one also failing. Glory be.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:47 AM
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54. God! I had to go to
sleep last night without knowing and I was looking all over for this this morning before I came to LBN. I thought it would be all over the Board if shovelnator LOST!

I'm sooo Estastic! It feels so Good ya'll after 5 years! :D
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:23 AM
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48. Hey what happened to that movement
to amend the constitution to allow this subhuman apeoid to run for president? Haven't heard too much about that lately, have we. Wouldn't surprise me now for the Dems to resurrect it and make it mandatory for him to run.
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Presidentcokedupfratboy Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:25 AM
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49. The Gropenfuhrer goes down
And California sends the poser a message: don't screw with working people.
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:27 AM
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50. I've got Ahnold right here in my animation counting the votes himself..
http://www.tbtmradio.com/flash/arnoldcountsrove.swf

Don't miss this, let it load a bit and Enjoy!

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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:46 AM
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53. Great animation, symbolman. Let's hope the last statement is wrong.


IOW, don't come back!
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imouttahere Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:37 AM
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52. Today, I am proud of my fellow Californians....
I was more than a little skeptical yesterday, but we came through.

As for Texas, well, should we be surprised that 76% of their voters are against human rights?
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:15 AM
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57. ahnold you have been humiliated! time to lash out at your enemies
cry on tv baby, you can do it...

Can his steroid mutated body still cry?
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:38 AM
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61. That guy just needs to give it up! n/t
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DeadManInc Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:39 AM
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62. Fuck you Ahnold! Little girlie man
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:00 PM
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65. $300,000,000 was spent! OMG!
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger lost his bid to push through a broad package of government reforms in a special off-year election on Tuesday that he called in an attempt to flex his political muscles.

With more than 85 percent of the votes counted, Schwarzenegger trailed on all four of the initiatives he had championed, and four other measures also appeared to have lost.

As a result, the most expensive special election in California history -- at least $300 million including advertising and administering the poll -- appeared to have failed to change public policy and left the Republican governor wounded a year ahead of his reelection bid.

Facing a slate of disappointing numbers, Schwarzenegger appeared before his supporters in Beverly Hills and pledged to work with Democratic leaders in Sacramento.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051109/pl_nm/election_usa_california_dc

This needs to be voted up!! Please read and vote on this story!!!

:kick:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:11 PM
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66. Ha ha, the first time I've actually called all the election results!
I predicted that each and every proposition would fail, and sure enough, they all did!

Yeah, in your fucking face, Arnold!!! :woohoo:
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CountAllVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:20 PM
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67. I voted NO on all of them
I knew a defeat of all of these faux propositions would = the end of the governator! And they were all defeated but I'll admit, it was a brow sweat for awhile last night before 75 moved into the NO column! :D

:kick:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:08 PM
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69. First time I actually voted for a winner, ever!
Or would that be the loser in this case?

But let's see - I voted for Gore, he lost (sort of). I voted for Kerry, he lost. I voted against the recall and we all know how THAT turned out...
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Innoma Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:15 PM
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70. Same Here...
First time I ever voted where all my choices were spot on. Too bad that couldn't have happened in 2000 or 2004, alas.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:18 PM
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71. NO votes across the board is a rejection of the special election as well
which is exactly what happened.

Ahhhhhhh, best election since 1992!

david
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:27 PM
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73. So can we now all agree that Arnold as our governor was...
A failed experiment?

He can go back to making Terminator 4 and True Lies 2 now! Hasta la vista, girly man terminator governator gropenator!
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #73
78. It proves that there's no easy fix for government, and that Davis wasn't
any worse than anyone else. No, he wasn't the Messiah (Davis), but he was just another big money politician, and there's really no reason to remove one to replace him with another.

Plus, as you say, it definitely proves Arnie has nothing for us.

But, I would rather have him go back to being a bodybuilder, because that was the only career he was any good at.

david
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:14 PM
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85. Yup, Arnie's got nothing all right!
No on 73

No on 74

No on 75

No on 76

No on 77

No on 78

No on 79

No on 80
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SeekerofTruth Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:51 PM
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77. Can someone explain to me why these initiatives were bad?
1) Limiting spending, keeping government in check is a good thing. Aren't deficits bad? What happened to fiscal responsibility? We know Repukes aren't capable of it (thank you Bush).

2) Removing the politicians from drawing up the maps means less political behind the scenes "1 area for you, 1 area for me" bs. Why allow one area to always be repuke and the other to always be Democrat? It's one reason we have a sucky 2 party, all or nothing system.

3) What is wrong with making it a 5 year period? My wife is a teacher and there are some really sucky teachers who can't get removed because of their tenure. My kids education suffers because of this. I like teacher accountability.

4) I don't care about number 4, I think it's up to the union members to decide if that's what they want.

Can someone please explain why these initiatives are bad? Or is it because the hatred of Schwarzy overrules all else?

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:06 PM
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79. re: gerrymandering districts, a proposal: districts should be based on
watersheds. That way, politicians can't redraw a district except within a watershed, if a large population allows it. It might not be perfect but it's a better system than the one we now have, which is no system at all and is totally up to incumbents.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:17 PM
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81. The trouble with propositions in California is that they are
worded to decieve and if you don't really study the issues to find out their real agenda, you could end up voting against your own interests. These initiatives were intended to take power from the legislature and put them in Arnie's hands. He would have essentially become dictator of California.

Even in one of his ads he begged the voters to give him the tools he needed to reform California. Damn the only reform we need in California is an ammendment to the Constitution to keep out Republicans. They are the party that have caused us all our problems, most recently Enron overcharging for energy, which had the effect of putting then Governor Grey Davis into a fiscal mess.

Arnie forgot that he is a servant of the people. He governed as if the people were his servants to hand to him what he needed to promote Bush's agenda here in our State.
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FranMonet Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:46 PM
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83. I.ll take at stab
1)Californian schools are in bad shape and instead of raising taxes on the rich and solve the problem Arnie just wants to cap spending and ignore such problems.

2)3 retired judges would draw the new districts and guess who gets to choose the judges, thats right Arnie. lets wait until someone less power mad is Governor.

3)this is a ploy to weaken the teachers union who have been very vocal against Arnie from day one. And you think its hard getting good teachers now wait till there is absolutely no job security for five years, no one will want to teach in Californian schools.

4.Another play to weaken unions on a large scale. Besides there is already a law in California that lets union members opt out of having their union dews used for political reasons.
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SeekerofTruth Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:31 PM
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87. Thank you, I understand 2 & 4, but still confused on 1 & 3
1) Increasing the amount of money to schools doesn't guarantee better schools. Better administration, objectives, and measurements are what make better schools. We have schools in our state that have increased intake by 35% over 4 years, the schools still do as poorly as they did before.

2) I understand. The new system he proposed was worse than the existing system. yuck.

3) I still think accountability has to be a part of teaching. Maybe his solution wasn't a good one, but what is? I like teacher ratings personally (from principal, fellow teachers, and parents).

4) I understand, typical government. Why have 1 law when you can pay twice as much and have 2 laws. (hehe, I love the line similar to this from the movie 'contact'.)

Thanks for giving me your input.
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:44 AM
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94. give teachers a break
3) Teachers can always be fired if there is just cause. All tenure means is that they get to have a hearing.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:50 PM
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88. As far as the redistricting, see what Delay did in Texas. EOM
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:49 PM
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93. See post #92
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:10 PM
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80. "Reform" proposals? George Lackoff, please step in and correct...
... this improper framing of what these attempts at siezing power for the gropenator were!
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goose4739 Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:59 PM
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84. What an asshole
Those of you who don't live in Ca. didn't see his barrage of TV commercials claiming that "Kuh-lee-for-neeya" needed to be fixed. Just what the fuck was he supposed to have been doing these past two years? If the state still needs to be fixed, it's his negligence, not anyone else's! What a dick.
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fbahrami Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:23 PM
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86. NO CONFIDENCE - next step is to vote him out
Too bad we in San Diego voted Donna Frye out :-(
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:25 PM
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89. Schwarzenazi, you've been


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ignatius 2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 07:18 PM
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91. Herr Gropinator,go back to being a bad actor why dont'cha? Your schtick
has gotten old in a hurry.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:46 PM
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92. Good write-ups on the true intentions of Ahhnold's measures at this link:
http://www.cadem.org/site/c.jrLZK2PyHmF/b.1010965/k.A04B/Propositions.htm

From the California Democratic Party:

VOTE NO on Proposition 73
Termination of Minor's Pregnancy. Waiting Period and Parental Notification. Proposition 73 just the latest attempt by right-wing conservatives to take away a woman's right to choose. Instead of creating another law that would increase the health risk of teenagers, we should focus our energy on preventing teen pregnancy. Prop. 73 unwisely tries to legislate family communication and unrealistically expects teenagers to navigate through a cumbersome and confusing judicial process. Vote No on Proposition 73 and let our daughters have the freedom, privacy, and choice to make their own decision. For more information: Campaign for Teen Safety.
FAQ: (html | pdf)

VOTE NO on Proposition 74
Public School Teachers. Waiting Period for Permanent Status. Proposition 74 does NOTHING to help improve public education. Currently, we have a system in place that allows a school to dismiss a teacher they find to be deficient during their first two years of service without a hearing. In fact, every local school has a system in place to deal with struggling teachers. In a time when we should be encouraging young adults to choose a career in teaching, Prop. 74 will hurt those recruitment efforts by not affording due process to those in the teaching profession who do so much for California's children. For more information: California Federation of Teachers; California Teachers Association.
FAQ: (html | pdf)

VOTE NO on Proposition 75
Public Employee Union Dues. Proposition 75 would silence the voice of working men and women. Prop. 75 would let Big Business spend freely, while public sector unions would be silenced and in turn shut out from participating in the political process. Vote No on Proposition 75 and protect the voice of advocates who want decent funding for schools, better quality health care and higher standards for public safety. For more information: No on Prop 75 Committee.
FAQ: (html | pdf)

VOTE NO on Proposition 76
School Funding. State Spending. Proposition 76 is an Arnold Schwarzenegger power grab that gives him the power to bypass the legislature and make cuts to the budget without any oversight or public approval. Prop. 76 does not protect education funding and it would reduce long-term Prop. 98 school spending by $4 billion per year. Under Prop. 76, local governments could lose hundreds of millions of dollars for police, firefighters, health care and social service programs. Vote No on Proposition 76 and protect those vital services that make our communities a better place to live. For more information: California Teachers Association.
FAQ: (html | pdf)

VOTE NO on Proposition 77
Reapportionment. Proposition 77 is a flawed redistricting initiative that requires no public input, has no accountability provision, is unfair to those most underrepresented, and quite frankly doesn't make any sense. Prop. 77 will put the process of redistricting into the hands of retired judges who would not be required to take public input and who are not accountable to the voters. Furthermore, Prop. 77 is flawed because it would require these judges to use census data that is six to eight years old, which would hurt those most underrepresented. For more information: No On Proposition 77 Committee.
FAQ: (html | pdf)

VOTE NO on Proposition 78
Prescription Drugs. Discounts. Proposition 78 is sponsored by all the major pharmaceutical companies…need we say more? Prop. 78 is nothing more than a smokescreen to make it seem as if the pharmaceutical companies suddenly want to give drug discounts. Prop. 78 is a toothless initiative because it doesn't mandate pharmaceutical companies to comply with any state negotiated discounts and there is no accountability provision to ensure meaningful discounts. Prop. 78 limits who is allowed to participate and doesn't provide discounts to those who need it most: the uninsured. For more information: Health Access California.
FAQ: (html | pdf)


The good ones, which also failed:

VOTE YES on Proposition 79
Cheaper Prescription Drugs For Californians Act. State-Negotiated Rebates. Unlike Prop. 78, Proposition 79 will provide real prescription drug discounts to those who need it most. Prop. 79 will establish a pharmacy assistance program to help businesses, small employer purchasing pools and labor organization health and welfare funds, among others, receive the same pharmacy discounts and rebates from drug makers. Pharmaceutical companies would be held accountable by a state advisory board that would review access to, and the pricing of, prescription drugs under the program. Real problems need real solutions, vote Yes on Prop. 79. For more information: Health Access California.
FAQ: (html | pdf)

VOTE YES on Proposition 80
Affordable Electricity & Preventing Blackouts Act. Proposition 80 will establish an energy policy for California that guarantees that the lights stay on, protects ratepayers from the market manipulation of private energy companies, "greens" our energy portfolio by increasing environmentally clean and sustainable renewable energy sources, assures that utility industry personnel are well trained, and repeals the failed electricity deregulation scheme that exposed Californians to blackouts and cost ratepayers billions of dollars. For more information: The Utility Reform Network (TURN).
FAQ: (html | pdf)


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