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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:39 AM
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In heated hearings, oil bosses defend big profits

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9970294/

In heated hearings, oil bosses defend big profits
Lawmakers grill execs, ask them to assure people they’re not being gouged

WASHINGTON - The chiefs of five major oil companies defended the industry’s huge profits Wednesday at a Senate hearing where lawmakers said they should explain prices and assure people they’re not being gouged.

There is a “growing suspicion that oil companies are taking unfair advantage,” Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N.M., said as the hearing opened in a packed Senate committee room. “The oil companies owe the country an explanation,” he said.

Lee Raymond, chairman of Exxon Mobil Corp., said he recognizes that high gasoline prices “have put a strain on Americans’ household budgets” but he defended his companies huge profits, saying petroleum earnings “go up and down” from year to year.

ExxonMobil, the worlds’ largest privately owned oil company, earned nearly $10 billion in the third quarter. Raymond was joined at the witness table by the chief executives of Chevron, ConocoPhillips, BPAmerica and Shell Oil USA.


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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:41 AM
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1. When did they last go down and when have they EVER not been
profitable??? And what pray tell is too MUCH profit. Always take advantage is the watchword of the oil companies.
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panichol Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:41 AM
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2. Why don't they tell the truth?
That is, Bush called them and said, hey guys, go for it, make all the money you can........
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:50 AM
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4. Welcome to DU
:hi:
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:49 AM
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3. people, be assured you're not being gouged. End of hearing.
The senators should tell these companies to use their profits to develop renewable resource technologies. Either that, or Big Oil will earn a a nice big "gouge tax." Unfortunately, senators like Dominici don't have the balls to stand up to Big Oil, not to mention they're probably paid off in campaign contributions.

The hearing sounds like a joke so far.

"The chiefs of five major oil companies defended the industry’s huge profits Wednesday at a Senate hearing where lawmakers said they should explain prices and assure people they’re not being gouged."
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:50 AM
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5. growing suspicion... growing?
I think it's fully grown.

Make the connection, folks. You don't have record profits w/o sticking it to your dependent clientele.

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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:16 PM
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6. What good are their assurances?
SNIP assure people they’re not being gouged.

Doesn't Scotty McClellan "assure" us every day that the boy king is doing the right thing; that he has our best interests at heart; etc., etc., etc. Assurances mean nothing.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:21 PM
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7. The whole "show trial" is a complete CROCK!
How in the world OTHER than price fixing, can $100 million oil companies maintain the same prices over a ten-year period as $100 billion oil companies, and thus, compete?

Why do gas prices rise so quickly when the price of a barrel of oil increases, yet fall so slowly when the price of the same barrel of oil drops at the same rate as the rise?

Why do we constantly hear the oil companies say "it's a supply" problem - we do not have enough refinery capacity," yet none of the oil companies ever seems to build new refineries in the USA?

Sham.
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toopers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:53 PM
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9. Do you know how difficult it is to build a refinery in the USA?
EOM
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Brooklyn Michael Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:04 PM
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10. Probably more difficult than shutting some down...
...as they did in the 90's to boost profits.

Internal Memos Show Oil Companies Intentionally Limited Refining Capacity To Drive Up Gasoline Prices


Santa Monica, CA -- The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights (FTCR) today exposed internal oil company memos that show how the industry intentionally reduced domestic refining capacity to drive up profits. The exposure comes in the wake of Hurricane Katrina as the oil industry blames environmental regulation for limiting number of U.S. refineries.

The three internal memos from Mobil, Chevron, and Texaco (Click here to read the memos.) show different ways the oil giants closed down refining capacity and drove independent refiners out of business. The confidential memos demonstrate a nationwide effort by American Petroleum Institute, the lobbying and research arm of the oil industry, to encourage the major refiners to close their refineries in the mid-1990s in order to raise the price at the pump.

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/pr/?postId=5110
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:31 PM
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12. Thanks for posting that - people aren't aware of what was done in the 90's
Without starting a flame war - keep in mind that all companies in the world would kill for a product like gasoline.

Oil companies know we can't easily switch our driving habits or how products are shipped across this country. We can't switch them overnight, let alone over the course of the year.

How long could they have kept gas prices at $3.29 a gallon? My guess is they could have done it for quite a while before demand tapered off. What would their profits be this quarter - with oil prices now under $60 a barrel - if they continued to cry about production issues?

As long as the government doesn't get involved in changing our habits (not likely - no CAFE increases, no add'l funding for mass transit, eliminating LIHEAP for the poor, etc. from these assholes), the oil companies can charge what they want.

And the only reason they have been so "courteous" to us (and by courteous, I mean, not charging $6.00 a gallon), is that they don't want the next administration to come in and make waves for their little cash cow.

Flame away - but these meetings don't mean a hill of beans if the government doesn't step in to change how we consume or produce energy.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 12:24 PM
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8. Yeah, I always ask the guy with the mask and the gun if he's robbing me
And every time, he pokes the barrel of the gun right up under my left nostril and with a cheery hiss informs me that he's a little disappointed that I didn't have more money. Then he calls me a motherfucker and we both call it a night.

But I'm not being robbed! The thief told me so.
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deminks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 01:16 PM
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11. Oil Company Execs Defend Huge Profits
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/congress_oil;_ylt=AsDHycrtMxXw5BHXJsbwDhas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

WASHINGTON - The chiefs of five major oil companies defended the industry's huge profits Wednesday at a Senate hearing where they were exhorted to explain prices and assure customers they're not being gouged.

Lee Raymond, chairman of Exxon Mobil Corp., said he recognizes that high gasoline prices "have put a strain on Americans' household budgets" but he defended his companies huge profits, saying petroleum earnings "go up and down" from year to year.

Democrats had wanted the executives to testify under oath, but Republicans rejected the idea. "If I were a witness I would demand to be put under oath," said Sen. Daniel Inouye (news, bio, voting record), D-Hawaii. The soaring prices have sent shivers through a Congress worried about political fallout.

The oil industry's record third-quarter profits — at a time when motorists were reeling from unprecedentedly high gasoline costs and warned of huge heating bills this winter — have caught the attention of both Republicans and Democrats in Congress. Some analysts predict the 29 largest oil companies will earn $96 billion this year.

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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:08 PM
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13. Im probably in the minority on this but I have no problem with the Oil
Co.'s charging what they can for gas/heating oil. The higher they charge the more attractive renewable, domestically produced, technologically driven substitues become (ie solar, wind et al). At some point we will hit the tipping point when crude oil will go the way of whale oil, and these high price charges drive us to that point.

The real purpose of these hearings is for the republicans to say to the oil co.'s look, we gave you all that pork in the energy bill, you need to pay us back with some gesture that will make us popular with voters, or we will call you here and be mad at you. The real sin was ever giving this industry pork in the first place. Pork artificially strengthens this industry to the detriment of substitutes.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:21 PM
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14. Down to outrageous and Up to Obscene

that's really nasty profit volatility
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:27 PM
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15. This must be why I just paid $2.16 at the pump today
Hope they extend the hearings. We may yet break back under two bucks.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:36 PM
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16. Lee "Jowls" Raymond: the fat cats' Fat Cat.
When the Exxon Valdez oil tanker dumped around 11 million gallons of crude on Prince William Sound, then-CEO Lawrence Rawl said he was "too busy" to visit the site.

But not you! You, then president, took over the company's response. When a court demanded Exxon pay $4.5 billion to the Valdez victims bellyachers, you put money aside while you fought the judgment in court. Meanwhile, that money makes on the order of $800 million a year in interest. That's serious ROI! Sixteen years later you still haven't double hulled your Alaskan tankers, and really, why would you?

When fair-weather friends BP and ConocoPhillips dropped out of Arctic Power, the lobbying group you spearheaded to push for drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Opportunity Refuge -- perhaps swayed by radical lefty arguments that extracting oil from the refuge would involve a barely recoupable investment and have negligible impact on U.S. foreign-oil dependence -- you stood fast.

Let other corporations kowtow to overwhelming public sentiment; you understand that the continued existence of a piece of undrilled land is an offense to America. Is drilling what we do or is it not? Exactly.
(More at link)

http://www.grist.org/comments/soapbox/2005/08/05/roberts-raymond/



Fat Bast.. er, Cat
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 03:39 PM
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17. They CONTROL the market. There is no "free market".
They're full of caa caa. What sucks is the f*ckers will get away with it!!! :grr:
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