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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:30 PM
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Bush meets Dalai Lama (at WH), ignoring China's objections (Reuters)
(Wow, talk about mixed feelings, on one hand, this is progress for *, but on the other I wonder, is this just another WH Political "stunt?" And as a student of H.H. The Dalai Lama, I'm having to try not to think about how unfair it is for * to have met him for the 3rd time...)

Bush meets Dalai Lama, ignoring China's objections


Wed Nov 9, 2005 04:08 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush met at the White House on Wednesday with the Dalai Lama, exiled spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists, ignoring objections from China 10 days before he makes an official visit to Beijing. The private meeting with the president and the first lady came one day after the Bush administration named China a serious violator of religious freedom in a report to Congress.

"We've made our views very clear when it comes to our support for religious freedom... And we will continue to speak out on those issues," said White House spokesman Scott McClellan. The Chinese government opposed Bush's meeting with the Dalai Lama.

"The Dalai Lama is not a mere religious figure. He is a political refugee who has conducted activities splitting China and undermining national unity," said Chu Maoming, spokesman for the Chinese Embassy in Washington. "We are opposed to any invitation by any country extended to him. We are also opposed to any meetings with him."

Wednesday's meeting was Bush's third with the Dalai Lama. Next week Bush is due to visit Beijing and hold talks with Chinese President Hu Jintao. The Dalai Lama told reporters on Tuesday that talks between Tibetans and China have done little to ease a "very repressive" atmosphere in Chinese-ruled Tibet. The 70-year-old Buddhist spiritual leader, who is head of the Tibetan government-in-exile based in India, was visiting Washington for a conference on science and meditation.

<http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=10221950§ion=news>
(more at link above)
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:32 PM
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1. I completely sympathize with your mixed feelings.
Why does that ass get to meet H.H. The Dalai Lama not once, but three times? Okay, yes. I'm jealous.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:35 PM
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2. He needs it more than we do.

That works.
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:54 PM
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6. Yup.
Let's send good vibes and hope something sinks in.
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:41 PM
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3. I'm glad. Bush needs more meetings like this. nt
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:48 PM
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5. Pearls before swine, unfortunately. n/t
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 04:48 PM
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4. Well on this one I agree with Bush. China invaded Tibet. There is
no glossing over that. China needs to get out of Tibet.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:08 PM
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7. Maybe moron* is converting to Buddhism, wouldn't that just make the
fundies heads explode. :)

:rofl:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:14 PM
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8. Science and Meditation -- better keep that under wraps
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 05:29 PM
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9. My sympathies to the Dalai Lama
but I guess he knows who most needs to hear his spiritual message, and has the inner strength to endure being in the presence of the idiot.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 06:33 PM
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10. I, too, would have met with the Dalai Lama...
Despite anyone's objection. But George W. Bush is still a complete asshole.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:36 PM
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11. Something even more absurd?
H.H. the Dalai Lama shares the same birth date with asshat.

July 6. Boggles the mind doesn't it?!

Peace
V
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 12:08 AM
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16. Yea, I never made that connection before...
...that is weird.:wtf: Do you know the years and or the birth times and the city * was "born" in?

I was really into doing Astrology charts years ago, and would love to run the dates/times through my computer to see what is so different in their charts to make them such different people.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:29 AM
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18. H.H. was born in Taktser, Tibet 1935
The idiot was born in 1946, New Haven,CT

No clue as to times. I used to dabble in astrology a bit myself, in younger days, and it always fascinates me when I find info like this.

Did you know that Stern and Limpballs share the same birthday, even the year I believe?

Let me know what you find if you wouldn't mind. Thanks!

Peace
V
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:14 PM
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20. I haven't started reading these yet, but here's what I found for *, H.H...
...and V.P. Dick, I can't vouch for the site, but I gave it a quick glace and they seen to be fairly careful in their reasoning about H.H. The Dalai Lama's birth time.

The Dalai Lama
<http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/DalaiLama.htm>

George W. Bush
<http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/BushGeorgeW.htm>

Dick Cheney
<http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/CheneyDick.htm>
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:42 PM
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23. Thanks so much! n/t
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:42 PM
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12. Fuck China
bastards...

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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:07 PM
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13. Why do you say that? We've had as many invasions, massacres and
imperialist adventures in our short history as they have had in a much longer history.

I doubt Dubya will understand one word of their "conversation"
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:48 PM
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14. I never said we are free from criticism
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 10:53 PM by phusion
Jesus, all of a sudden I'm questioned because I fail to criticize our government in my post. Do you think I'm not aware of our nation's history of murderous, imperial, nation-destroying policies here on our soil and abroad?

Whenever I think of HH, however, I recall similar actions and policies that China has enacted on the once autonomous nation of Tibet.

Do you feel that China should be spared criticism?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:22 PM
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21. With all due respect
That is simply untrue. China has a longggggg history. What is today called China contains many groups that have been in and out of China depending on the time of history.

4700 some odd years of a "China". That is a lot of time and many many massacres.
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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 10:56 PM
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15. Bad move for Bush, China will be very upset
Who cares about Dalai Lama nowadays besides a handful of filthy rich guys from Hollywood? Let's face it, he will die out side of Tibet, where the young generation would not know who he is.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 03:56 AM
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17. I keep on finding it funny
how "liberals" who would never accept theocracy for themselves seem to think it's just fine for other folks.

Does anybody ever actually look beyond the beatific holiness and consider this guy's POLITICS?

I'm talking about the Dalai Lama, of course. Actually, I'm talking about Tenzin Gyatso, or whatever name he had before that. I don't recognize him as "teacher whose wisdom is as great as the ocean" any more than I recognize Ratzinger as some big sky daddy's messenger on earth.

http://www.gnxp.com/MT2/archives/002816.html
(there are other sources, that was just convenient)

No, this is not a post about social democracy or the New Democrats/New Labour; it's about how Buddhism in the West differs from its Asian forebears. Let's start by taking a look at how the Dalai Lama's positions on abortion and homosexuality differ from those of the "right on" liberals who tend to be Buddhism's most eager proselytes in the West.

<T>he Dalai Lama has denounced abortion as a sin against "non-violence to all sentient beings," opposed contraception and criticized proponents of euthanasia - much as the pope has done. Although he has affirmed the dignity and rights of gays and lesbians, he has condemned homosexual acts as contrary to Buddhist ethics.
...

On abortion and homosexuality, which have deeply divided other religious faiths, the Dalai Lama said he believed life is sacred and abortion is wrong - though there may be special circumstances, such as saving the life of the mother, when it might be an option. He said nature arranged male and female organs "in such a manner that is very suitable... Same-sex organs cannot manage well." But he stopped short of condemning homosexual relationships altogether, saying if two people agree to enter a relationship that is not sexually abusive, "then I don't know. It's difficult to say."
Jeepers. Looks like he and Bush have quite a lot in common.

http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/1999/8/9_1.html

He is aware that his nonjudgmental appearance has paradoxically turned him into a poster boy for New Age designer Buddhism - "a screen saver for computers," he has said. But in recent teachings the Dalai Lama has denounced abortion as a sin against "non-violence to all sentient beings," opposed contraception and criticized proponents of euthanasia - much as the pope has done. Although he has affirmed the dignity and rights of gays and lesbians, he has condemned homosexual acts as contrary to Buddhist ethics. Indeed, during a teaching in San Francisco in 1997, he was surprised to find himself criticized by gay Buddhists.
Makes me glad I'm not a "liberal", I must say. Otherwise, I might find myself singing the praises of a misogynist homophobic bigoted son of a turd like this guy.




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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 07:24 PM
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24. Thank you, iverglas, for the splash of wake-up cold water to the face(s)
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 07:57 PM
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25. and I thought nobody'd ever notice.

;)

"H.H." Wot the fuck is that about?

spoon, gag.

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Rambis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:54 AM
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19. Aren't China and Japan bank rolling the war in Iraq?
He is snubbing his bankers maybe they will pull the plug?
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:24 PM
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22. Big hitter the Lama
Long.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 07:59 PM
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26. I think Bush was merely confused.
Imagine his surprise.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:09 PM
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27. Who is that? The Doily Lama???
Or is it the psychedelic Lama???
:evilgrin:
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