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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 05:57 PM
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Al-Qaida in Iraq Explains Jordan Bombings
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/jordan

CAIRO, Egypt - In an apparent response to Jordanians who took to the streets to call for its leader to "burn in hell," al-Qaida in Iraq took the rare step Thursday of trying to justify the triple suicide bombings that killed 56 people, mostly Arabs.

Earlier Thursday, the group posted a Web statement claiming responsibility for Wednesday's attacks. Then a second al-Qaida statement appeared on the Internet "to explain for Muslims part of the reason holy warriors targeted these dens." That statement appeared after Arab-wide expressions of outrage.

"Let all know that we have struck only after becoming confident that they are centers for launching war on Islam and support the crusaders' presence in Iraq and the Arab peninsula and the presence of the Jews on the land of Palestine," the group said.

The statement said the hotels that were hit were "favorite places for the work of the intelligence organs, especially those of the Americans, the Israelis and some western European countries" for what the group called "invisible battles in the so-called war on terrorism."

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Follow the link for the rest of the article.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:03 PM
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1. Anyone shopping around for a bridge? I got one ... cheap! (n/t)
Flem.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:05 PM
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2. Is this legit...
or is it a message from a site like the famous Jihad Unspun?
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:38 PM
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6. It is in direct response to the demonstrations in Amman.
Why is it so difficult to believe that maybe people would be getting tired of innocents being blown up? Hello? Did you read what happened in Iraq today? Do you think THAT'S all a myth?

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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:59 PM
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19. Re: the myth is no about....
...whether or not some seriously dedicated criminals are creating a security blitz with terror attacks on select targets.

It's about who's actually making the the claim of repsonsibility and how it gets immediately tied to the 'cause' of general Muslim dignity, allegedly done in the name of Islam or 'for' Muslims.

The myth is about authenticity of the published claim, if not as likely about the identities of the actual terror criminals.

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:01 PM
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21. I want to see the video and not just close shots a la ...
the toppling of Sadaam's statue. ;)

I want to see nice long shots that span the entire protest. And interviews? I want to see all this outrage that is ONLY FOR this one legged man of nine lives?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:05 PM
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3. "Al-Qaida in Iraq" Bushco still trying to tie them with Iraq--still
i'm calling bullshit.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:23 PM
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4. Even the most strong-minded of men
should think twice before striking at a wedding gathering.

Such an act spits in the face of God -- and strikes at a pillar of virtually all societies and cultures... and at the future of mankind.

Even to an atheist -- what was the need?

Do we respect nothing anymore?
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:36 PM
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5. Apparently people are losing their balance. There IS no
justification for something like this. Blowing up a wedding yet.

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:02 PM
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22. Do we really have ANY hard evidence that it WAS a wedding party? n/t
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:37 PM
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37. I didn't say that it was.
I don't know, and it wouldn't surprise me either way.

The "was" can be interpreted in various ways, including retrospective as a literary device. (I use a future reference ("before") in the first sentence -- the present tense in the second -- and the past tense in the third. And the last sentence is a rhetorical question, or perhaps a flourish).

But perhaps this is (was) lost on you.

If you like, you can substitute "is" or "would be" for "was".
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:41 PM
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38. Yes. Google is your friend. eom
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:15 PM
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43. ARE YOU SERIOUS? The father of the groom blocked the
bomb with his body, protecting five people behind him. Unbelieveable. I mean really. Maybe it was a fake wedding?

Why don't you check out some Middle Eastern papers?

Here is a link from the Lebanon Daily Star:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=19956

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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:53 PM
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44. Yes, we believe EVERYTHING that is fed to us by the media
Who's nutty now?
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:39 PM
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7. Is scott mclellan moonlighting for Al Qada? this sounds as stupid
and as defensive as any of the press statements coming out of the whitehouse these days. Maybe the whitehouse and al quada communications teams could host a joint workshop on how they can get back on message.
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Colorado Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 06:43 PM
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8. Maybe people should stop blowing people up. Then they
wouldn't have to go scrounging around for excuses.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:54 PM
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17. don't all the al-qaida statements sound stupid beyond belief?
Remember when they beheaded Danny Pearl? DId you hear anything even semi-rational coming from that tape. When they have beheaded others, did you hear one thing that was rational
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:54 PM
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39. These are demented barbarians. Why would we expect rationality
from pigs who send suicide bombers into weddings?
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:55 PM
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45. Yes they are less than human like the vietnamese "gooks"?
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 12:04 AM by ElectroPrincess
:sarcasm:
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:00 PM
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9. I hope it wasn't this Al-Qaeda...

Palestinians arrest al-Qaeda 'poseurs'

Palestinian security forces have arrested a group of Palestinians for collaborating with Israel and posing as operatives of Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network, a senior official said yesterday.

The arrests come two days after Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon charged al-Qaeda militants were operating in Gaza and in Lebanon.

"The Palestinian Authority arrested a group of collaborators who confessed they were working for Israel, posing as al-Qaeda operatives in the Palestinian territories," said the official, on condition of anonymity.

He said the alleged collaborators sought to "discredit the Palestinian people, justify every Israeli crime and provide reasons to carry out a new (military) aggression in the Gaza Strip."

Link



Ibrahim, the Shin Bet wants you to join Qaida

PA unveils Israeli intelligence scheme, denies Gaza links to bin Laden

He said that a year ago he sent in a personal, with his photo and phone number, to East Jerusalem's Posta, a cultural-entertainment weekly with a personals section. Three months later, the Gazan received a phone call from an older man, who introduced himself as a merchant named Ahmed, who told Ibrahim that his photo reminded him of his son. They spoke on the phone a number of times, with Ahmed asking Ibrahim about the situation - and if he was a devout Muslim.

During one of the conversations, Ahmed told Ibrahim that he wanted to help Gazans in economic distress and began sending money - cash in dollars and Jordanian dinars - through the Nablus branch of the Cairo-Amman bank. Ibrahim told Ahmed that he had never been arrested nor involved in any political organization. Then, in one of the conversations, Ahmed said he was working for Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaida organization, and Ibrahim was meant to be one of its organizers in northern Gaza since the group already had an infrastructure in the south. Ahmed gave Ibrahim a list of people, mostly Hamas activists, and was told to collect information about them and follow them so they could also be drafted for the Al-Qaida cause.

The two never met, but at a certain point during their telephone contact, Ibrahim became suspicious. He contacted a preventive security officer in Gaza and told him the whole story. The officer looked into the matter and told Ibrahim that Ahmed was an Israeli Shin Bet agent, and Ibrahim should immediately cut off any contacts with him.

Link


:tinfoilhat:
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 08:47 PM
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10. dragging out the same ol', same ol' crap from 2002 again.
how is it I can find this story around the web from 2002


http://forum.mpacuk.org/archive/index.php/t-2922.html

Manchester_Teen18-08-2005, 01:42 AM
Ibrahim, the Shin Bet wants you to join Qaida

PA unveils Israeli intelligence scheme, denies Gaza links to bin Laden

Danny Rubinstein — Ha'aretz

Saturday December 7, 2002


Early last week, Rashi Abu Sba, head of the preventive security apparatus in Gaza, the equivalent of the Shin Bet, accused the Israeli security service of tricking young Palestinians into conducting missions in the name of Al-Qaida. Last Tuesday, a young man named Ibrahim was presented to reporters in Gaza. Ibrahim hid his face behind a mask, and told what happened to him.


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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:15 PM
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11. Which means absolutely nothing...
dealing with the relevance of the information, I might add.

BTW, I find it amusing that events from 60+ years ago (sometimes 2000+ years) can be brought into the dialog at the drop of a hat, but recent events from 2002 are not to be raised or discussed?

As I said, amusing.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:51 PM
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16. Very old news means a lot . This 2002 story is a joke
BTW, speaking of History, what I notice is that some people like to talk, talk, talk (or was it yap, yap, yap) about 1100 AD and thereabouts (give or take a hundred years) but dont like to talk about things prior to 600AD.
Yes, now there I will agree...amusing
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:19 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. Yes, we know. Israel is the source of all evil in the world. eom
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:34 PM
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13. Well...
if that's what you want to believe.

OTOH, if some genius didn't ty to pull this kind of crap in the first place, there would be no evidence of this type of behavior. I'm surprised there is no ire directed at those that tried to set up a false flag operation. Only at those that bring it up.

Personally, I'm upset with those perpetrating crimes, not those that discuss crimes perpetrated. But that's just my idea of rational discourse.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:40 PM
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14. And rational discourse involves making huge assumptions.
Such as that there was a false-flag operation being planned.

In 2002, or in 2005.
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:45 PM
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15. Or the "source of all evil"...
;)
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 09:58 PM
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18. parts of this story don't add up, like why
Ibrahim would get sucked into conversations "a number of times" with an older man, 3 mos. after placing a personals ad. Unless Ibrahim stated in his ad that he was seeking an older man for fun and pleasure, why would he give this older man the time of day?

"He said that a year ago he sent in a personal, with his photo and phone number, to East Jerusalem's Posta, a cultural-entertainment weekly with a personals section. Three months later, the Gazan received a phone call from an older man, who introduced himself as a merchant named Ahmed, who told Ibrahim that his photo reminded him of his son. They spoke on the phone a number of times, with Ahmed asking Ibrahim about the situation - and if he was a devout Muslim."
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:01 PM
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20. Parts of the story in the OP don't add up either...
from the outside looking in.

:shrug:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:11 PM
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:15 PM
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29. I'm just describing the mindset of the 'anti-Zionists' who see an Israeli
behind every act of evil.
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:07 PM
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23. got a link for that claim about false flag operation
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4A915634-96C8-4672-8559-DF9BDB2F7460.htm

Iraq's al-Qaida claims Jordan blasts


Thursday 10 November 2005, 13:04 Makka Time, 10:04 GMT

Iraq's al-Qaida said it had carried out the bomb attacks, in a statement posted on the internet.

snip

"A group of our best lions launched a new attack on some dens ... After casing the targets, some hotels were chosen which the Jordanian despot turned into a backyard for the enemies of the faith, the Jews and crusaders," the statement on a website usually used by the group, said on Thursday.

"A group of our best lions launched a new attack on some dens ..."

"Let the tyrant of Amman know that his protection...for the Jews has become a target for the mujahideen and their attacks, and let him expect the worst," it added. snip


Are you saying al qaida didn't do this?


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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:09 PM
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25. He's not saying it, just implying it. eom
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:15 PM
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30. Oh spare me please ...
"A group of our best lions launched a new attack on some dens ..."

This is pretty unreal ... They're LIONS? GRRRR!

I think that the PsyOps boys and girls are getting their well needed rest. Why? Because they sure as shit didn't stay up all night thinking up such horse hockey! :puke:

How absurd does it have to get? Can I have a picture or are we supposed to TRUST our media to give us the unvarnished TRUTH?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:16 PM
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31. You're right. It had to be the Mossad. eom
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:23 PM
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32. Whose media?The link I provided was al-jazeera. Spare me n/t
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:32 PM
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34. The link was just Al jazeera parroting what was passed on to them ...
There was no journalistic editing here, just parroting of the original source. Gee, how 'bout we stop all this defensiveness ... a reaction that is not constructive? You put words in my mouth to "sensationalize" the argument into the absurd.

Please, open up to other possibilities?
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:34 PM
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35. Al Jazeera uses its own reporters in the Mideast
Or do you deny they do?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:57 PM
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. You're a Fleetwood Mac fan? eom
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 12:02 AM
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47. Yes, I am :-) and the words are spot on
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:12 PM
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42. It damned well is their story and their reporters
I know it's really hard but face the facts: Rumsfeld doesn't own AL Jazeera. Repeat 100 times

Bye
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ElectroPrincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. Repeat 100 times = in America, everyone is entitled to their opinion
Edited on Fri Nov-11-05 12:23 AM by ElectroPrincess
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:12 PM
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27. Re: Where's Paul Harvey...?
...and the Rest of the Story?

"The officer looked into the matter and told Ibrahim that Ahmed was an Israeli Shin Bet agent, and Ibrahim should immediately cut off any contacts with him."

Thanks to the forward approach of the Shin Bet, Ibrahim will will in future dedicate his effort to ...... getting the truth out.

But this is the other side of the reality. These are professional attacks.

Suicide Bombers?

MSNBC News - 11/9/05 - Bomb in ceiling caused Jordan hotel blast - source

AMMAN - A blast at the Radisson hotel in the Jordanian capital Amman on Wednesday was caused by a bomb placed in a false ceiling, police sources at the scene told Reuters.

<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9980123>
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:27 PM
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33. According to Reuters UK, the bomb in the ceiling is now incorrect
http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2005-11-09T223804Z_01_WRI970423_RTRUKOC_0_UK-SECURITY-JORDAN.xml


Wed Nov 9, 2005 10:38 PM GMT

"Police said the blasts were caused by suspected suicide bombers. Police sources earlier told Reuters the Radisson blast had been caused by a bomb placed in a false ceiling."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:14 PM
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Canuck55 Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:07 PM
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24. Lovely...
Now even al-Qaida has an active PR spin machine.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 10:34 PM
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36. Because who could possibly have the Intel resources to track
a Web posting.

:crazy:
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 01:07 AM
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48. Locking
Thread has become inflammatory and devolved off of the original topic and wandered into the Israel/Palestine realm which is not acceptable in the LBN forum.
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