Bush disliked by 73% in Canada, But 68% like Americans

Canadians tend to dislike and fear George W. Bush, a new poll suggests. Seventy-three per cent expressed an unfavourable opinion of the U.S. President and 38% said they felt he was more dangerous to world security than Osama bin Laden.

Those results, however, should not be seen as sweeping anti-Americanism. While Mr. Bush is singularly disliked in Canada, the nation does not allow that feeling to taint its image of Americans as a whole. In fact, 68% of Canadians said they had a favourable opinion of Americans.

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When Canadians and Americans were each asked their views on Mr. Bush, there was decidedly less love for the President north of the border. Forty-six per cent of respondents in Canada said they had a "very unfavourable" impression of Mr. Bush, while only 27% of U.S. respondents expressed that.

Another 27% of Canadians had a "somewhat unfavourable" impression of Mr. Bush compared with 16% of Americans.

While 25% of Americans said they were "very favourable" of Mr. Bush, only 5% of Canadians were similarly impressed, and while 23% of American said they were "somewhat favourably" impressed by Mr. Bush, only 16% of Canadians shared that view.

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=513073ac-7eba-4c51-925b-18c28af1bba2

It's good that they seem to understand Bush doesn't represent the people of this country and is trouble on his own.

I like to believe you but then, didn't AMERICANS elect Bush?

vote for Bush.

And plenty more didn't vote at all (unfortunately).

But the account of the poll was pretty straight-forward. Things are looking bad for Bush when the National Post won't haul his Canadian water.

83% of Canadians Loath GWB

:)

:headbang:

;)

cheers

And when IWT comes, maybe Americanos will, too?

here. RWers debate ultra-RWers; don't cover most important stories/news. Gimme the CBC!

Canada is part of America. It's time to claim it as ours as it should have been. We'll let them keep the province names. The French will be cleansed out of Canada.

"North America" would be a much better place to live in.

This sounds like a discussion off of Fox News.

Getting mighty old, mighty fast...

Similar to the status of the Poles before WWI ended and Russia and Germany had to leave.

Apart from anything else neither the Russian, German or Austrian areas of Poland ever held a referendum on the issue of sovereignty, far less voted to remain within their respective countries. Suffice to say, if you think the status of modern Quebec compares to pre-WW1 Poland, you're desperately deluded about one or both of those nations.

But I can understand why certain strands of opinion within the USA would be very keen to break up Canada regardless of the will of its people. Divide and conquer, as they say.

occupiers who live in Quebec vote on the issue and then when the votes come in slightly in favor of staying in Canada you read it as a mandate to continue the occupation. The Quebecois do not want to be occupied, but quite a lot of the votes to remain come from those who are very happy to continue the occupation.

granted that the outcome of the Seven Years War was unfair to the French-Canadians (Acadian Deportation is considered genocide by many historians) French-Canadians in Quebec actually have a say in their outcome. In 1995 they almost voted in favor of independence.

Suppose I conquer a family of 4 and put 3 of my family members in their house. I then hold a referendum about whether that house should be independent again, 4 people choose to stay under my control (most likely my 3 family members and one of the occupied family). But if we were to examine the matter truthfully only one member of the occupied family really wants to remain under the control of my family. The 3 from my family are not occupied, but rather they are the occupiers.

Following this logic, we should hold some stupid referendum in Hawaii for independence and make it for Native Hawaiians only, even though Native Hawaiians are an ethnic minority behind both whites and asians.

Northern Ireland's perceived occupation by the "English" (although to be honest the Northern Irish are generally of Scottish descent). I've never seen IRA supporters on this board receive the kind of hostility that I get for supporting the right of the Quebecois to self determination. Do you people just dislike the Quebecois for being French, while being Irish is ok?

But Quebecois have been coexisting with English Canadians for centuries even after the French and Indian War (which, unfortunately, had American help even before there was a United States, but the colonists in that war were fighting for the crown so blaming the United States would make no sense.) Should Native Americans in my state have an independence refferendum? What about French Cajuns in New Orleans (assuming the city comes back)? I'm sure they were pissed off when their land was sold to the Americans from Napoleon. What about Hispanics in California or Arizona or Texas? There are pigheaded groups in this country like Aztlan who call for removing all whites from the Southwest and reunification with Mexico. The idea that just because you are not French means that you are not a Quebec resident is stupid. The French and Indian War ended 242 years ago! French and English, and even Irish and Scottish, have mixed cultures in one way or another. A French-Canadian was Prime Minister, and originally Quebec cuisines, such as poutine, are popular with English-Canadians as well.

if you are not of French background, you may be a Quebec-resident but you are no Quebecer.

What about people who are more than one ethnicity? Will they have half a vote or 3/5ths of a vote (you know, slave-style from before the Civil War)? What about Asian and Islamic immigrants who live in places like Montreal? They were not part of the "Anglo oppressors" so do they not count as well?

Francophones vote. Anglophones don't. After all it is the Francophone culture of Quebec that is threatened by continuing the occupation.

does that mean I am an occupier? I have no French blood in me, and my sir-name is Scottish. And what if I am fluent in French? Or does it need to be my first language?

But all of these little details really just point to one thing. The referendum method is illegitimate because it is fundamentally rigged against the Quebecois. It says to them "you can only be free if you are able to get a certain amount of outsiders to agree with you" That is why the Quebecois must agitate for independence with or without a victory in the plebiscite.

why should, say 35%-40% of residents be able to seize 100,000's of square miles of land, electric grids, farms, and ports just because their distant ancestors got screwed over by the King of England? Like I said, you don't see the descendants of "conquered" people in this country trying this. Native Americans are an ethnic minority. Should they be able to vote on independence for, say Tenessee, because their ancestors lived there?

state they should go for it. The Quebecois should also feel free to make a go of it and not worry about what the descendents of the people who destroyed the state they once had think about it. The essentials for a Quebecois state are in place: a group with a common cultural identity which is quite distinct from the culture governing it, and a region of land which this group regards as theirs.

Quebecois find it more advantageous to ally themselves with the Anglo-canadian occupiers

If Quebec unilaterally declared itself independant there would be Bosnia in North America.

The 1995 referendum was decided with 50.6% NO to 49.4% YES.

If we make the reasonable assumption that non-Francophones would vote for no, then we can deduce that a sizable majority of Francophones(i.e those who are culturally Quebecois) supported independence. Of the Francophones 60.2% favored separation. The good news is that the Quebecois only need to get 1 more percent of their own people to support the cause for even this unfair system to be overcome.

Curious where you're coming from with this stuff....

"Quebec is not free from the dominance of Anglo-Canadian culture."

Canada is not free from the dominance of USAmerican culture. The thing is, of course, I can actually demonstrate the reality of that statement. Yours leaves somewhat more to be desired.

Shit does indeed happen. But anybody who thinks that worse shit wouldn't happen, in terms of cultural subordination, to both Quebec and Canada if they divided -- and in fact, to the world, given the importance of Canada as a whole in global resistance to USAmerican cultural hegemony -- hasn't been paying attention.

BULLSHIT

I said that too. And I said that the earth is flat and the sun goes around it, and in the off-peak hours the cow jumps over the moon. And there are faeries at the bottom of my garden, and Stephen Harper is the last best hope for peace in our time, and yada yada blah blah blah any other nonsense that anybody else might like to pretend s/he believes I said/think. What do I care? Not a pinch of poop, that's what. I mourn for the passing of a time when at least a few people actually spoke truthfully and honestly in public discourse, and actually addressed what their interlocutors and even adversaries actually said instead of engaging in this demagoguery of misrepresentation and pretence (or, hmm, were clever enough to actually grasp what their interlocutors were saying ...), but oh well, times change.

You wanna see occupation, take a look at, oh, Algeria. Or maybe compare what the USAmericans did about the "Spanish fact", if you will, at the other end of the continent, with what happened after The Conquest. And thank the British monarchy of the 17th century for the fact that anyone in North America speaks a word of French at all.

Conquests happened back then. That's what nation-states did.

Perhaps you're aware that a version of France conquered a version of England 1,000 years ago? Perhaps you know that those Normans oppressed the indigenous population, supplanted their language, imposed foreign rule on them? "We" didn't get to keep our religion, our civil law, our land ownership system ... hell, even our land.

Now me, I can't really complain; with names like Monck (that's a translation of Le Moyne, one of the main henchman of William the Conqueror himself) and Campion in my immediate family tree, I have to suspect that I'm of the conquering clique in that little contretemps. In fact, I'm probably almost as Norman as you are, and that goes for a whole lot of us maudits anglais, I'm confident in saying.

Me, I'm a great believer in cultural diversity, and in collective rights to culture.

I'm afraid that you're just not going to persuade me that the unemployment insurance program, or the health care system, are essential manifestations of Quebec culture and that Quebec is being oppressed because the keys to those particular treasure chests aren't being handed over on a platter.

Nor, of course, will you persuade me that any of the current leadership of the Quebec "sovereignty" business really give a crap about anybody's culture, except the culture that they and every other élite enjoys when it lights up a cigar with a dollar bill (ah, I speak metaphorically) acquired through the exploitation of someone else's labour.

"BULLSHT" indeed, mon cher / ma chérie.

"The French will be cleansed out of Canada" is amazingly offensive....

I left out the :sarcasm: tag. I also forgot the "Fair and Balanced" disclaimer. ;)

the liberation of Quebec

So you're just kidding, right?

There R many real sick-in-their-minds bigoted Freepers lurking this site. Please don't give them any idiot ideas like that... Thank you.

I really don't remember ANY US President actually being hated by so many people in my life time, and I'm 62!

I can tell you many reasons why I hate him, but my personal feelings are rarely shared by damn near the whole world!

Worst President Ever.

really hated by people in ALL countries! He can't go ANYWHERE that they don't have large protests!

As I said, I'm 62, and I remember every President from Truman on. Each had enemies, but NONE had everybody as an enemy!

Even my husband, who is close to the most A-Political person you'd ever meet, has said he didn't remember any Pres. who was so hated!

How long before the rest of the world catches on?

He is absolutely Despised !

why the many nations gave Willaim Jefferson Clinton a standing ovation at the United Nations in his last speech before them? Ever stop to think what other people in other countries saw in Clinton that made them trust him as the representative of the U.S.? You can see from polls all over what peoples of other countries think of the U.S. under Bush and compare them to what they thought of the U.S. under Clinton.......

I'm nearly a border brother (30 miles) and although I haven't been to see you in a while Toronto has always been one of my favorite cities in the world, I saw a hell of a Dead show in Hamilton before and your country has produced some of the best musicians and comedians the world has ever known. If the shit ever really hits the fan down here, I promise my wife and I will be constructive, law abiding citizens of your country if you'll have us. B-)

Yes, hopefully they would accept people if the time came, but for now we must stay the course and try to decontaminate this nation. Words can be powerful so keep on writing, so, not only Canada, but many others are aware of the millions who want our nation back!

instead of Boston the fundies would be Canadians

instead of Massachusetts bay the fundies would be Canadians

after Labor Day..all the Canadians I talked to were really aware that we had a terrible US president(sic)and expressed their deepest heartfelt sympathy.

It was cathartic to talk to them about our dire straights because they got the Real News up there in Canada. Just one of the reasons I love Canada so much.

We'll trade him for - oh, anyone with half a brain who knows how to read and make correct change.

americans from the half wit hitler that has taken over our country with his cabal.

That sums up Bush rather well.

Is this term in the public domain? I'd like to use it!

I always worry that Americans are associated with the regime which has usurped the former American democracy.

I'd want to say that I have a reasonably favourable view of, say, 51% of the population of the US, and a dismally and harshly unfavourable view of the rest. Well, no, I'd have to qualify that ... an pitying but increasingly pessimistic potentially favourable view of some proportion of the latter group ...

What would that average out to? Somewhat favourable?

Which mean more people disapprove now than did during election '04, so you should feel better. :)

48% of Americans very/somewhat favorable opinion of *
43% of Americans very/somewhat unfavorable opinion of *

Definitely not trying (again) to prop * up...NOSIREE! :sarcasm:

Invade us and implement regime change!

Just kidding. Wait to go George.