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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:10 PM
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Bush Didn't Mislead on War, Adviser Says
Fecking amazing!

WASHINGTON (AP) -

While admitting "we were wrong" about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, President Bush's national security adviser on Sunday rejected assertions that the president manipulated intelligence and misled the American people.

Bush relied on the collective judgment of the intelligence community when he determined that Iraq's Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, national security adviser Stephen Hadley said.

"Turns out, we were wrong," Hadley told "Late Edition" on CNN. "But I think the point that needs to be emphasized ... allegations now that the president somehow manipulated intelligence, somehow misled the American people, are flat wrong."

more...

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/bw-wh/2005/nov/13/111304722.html
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:11 PM
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1. Same bullshit
different day.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:12 PM
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2. they are on the defense cuz of Edwards announcement in WAPO
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:13 PM
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3. Right. But their "defense" is to blame the CIA and the Democrats.
Same bullshit, different day.
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belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:26 PM
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24. Oh yes--the fact that they're even *addressing* this is the real news.
And framed in those terms, no less. "I am not a crook." "I did not have sex with that woman." "not" really doesn't signify when you get to this stage, I find.

he's toast.
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:28 PM
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59. exactly what i thought when i saw clips of his Veteran's day speech
This was his LOUD & CLEAR "I am not a crook" moment.

...the end is near.....
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:14 PM
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4. Like anyone is going to listen to Hadley--please.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:15 PM
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5. only that 30% hanging on to the hope that their side is still right ...
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brer cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:02 PM
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48. I can't entirely agree that they hope their side is right...
I'm from red-red GA and most of the strong * supporters I know frankly don't give a damn if he lied or not. He's their guy period. amen.
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:15 PM
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6. no, he didn't "mislead"
he out and out LIED.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:50 AM
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64. I think this is a GREAT reply to make to anyone gullible enough
to believe bush and hadley.

Because THIS statement is true.

He didn't "mislead." He OUT AND OUT LIED.

GOOD one, GreenArrow. Mind if I use it?

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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GreenArrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:58 AM
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69. of course you can use it!
:)
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YDogg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:16 PM
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7. No credibility. Period.
Nobody believes this line, anymore.
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adarling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:16 PM
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8. how the hell are they going to push this as a real argument
they must have really just stepped fully into lala land. Crazy bastards, and the sad thing is they have senators out there speaking their trash. Hope this destorys them next year. I loved Scotty's comment on the elections last week that it wasn't a big deal and the outcome was only due to local and state issues, nothing with the national agenda of the repukes. Well, stay in lala land spanky because it is helping us out a ton:argh:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:18 PM
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10. they just keep going and going and going.........
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:17 PM
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9. No, He Just LIED
And will go to hell for it too... but till then we will make him pay.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:20 PM
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11. it's the same old song and dance.......
in other words Bush is saying 'it's not my fault', it's the fault of the intelligence.

We've all heard that song many times before......
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:21 PM
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12. Every single damned one of them...
... have taken up the Judy Miller excuse, "gee, the intelligence wuz wrong, so we all wuz wrong."

Yup, and Watergate was just a third-rate burglary. :grr:

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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:21 PM
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13. flat wrong
is a flat lie. And way many people know it now you fucking morons. * is a disaster; has been a disaster from day one. Now his lies are not lies. Just believe what we say, it will all be allright.
YOU LYING FUCKS ARE DESTROYING MY COUNTRY

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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:22 PM
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14. Same bullshit, same old, very old talking points. I have some points
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 02:23 PM by Jon8503
Dem's need to make and be strong on this should be strong about.

1) Bush did mislead us on this war, the intelligence was manipulated and misused for their sole purpose of getting their war.

2) Others did not have the same intelligence Bush had but only what they were allowed to have.

3) Bush had talked about doing this even before he was president.

4) Also, their talk about Clinton & others agreeing does not hold water and they did not take it as far as war. There is a huge difference of believing he may have WMDs and just containing it with UN Inspectors versus going to war.

5) Also, it appears that John McCain may run for president. If he is going to defend Bush on this, then I think now is the time to address him on the subject as well. Do we want another manipulator of intelligence in the White House?
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:22 PM
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15. The media continues to run these headlines to support Bush
Where are the "Bush Lied About War" headlines from AP?

The U.S. media continues to be Bush's biggest supporters.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:24 PM
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16. if they admit they were wrong like John Edwards did, well ...can they
live with their lying propaganda selves? Blood on their hands ...
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:24 PM
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17. The media has got their orders from Corporate owners probably N/T.
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NeoConsSuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 04:58 PM
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33. Totally Agree!
I come home from work, jump on the Internet, and CNN.COM: "Bush Didn't Lie". USATODAY.COM: "Bush Didn't Lie".

A few days ago it was released that the criminal misadministration was going to fight back. That should have been stated: The criminal administration with the criminal right wing media are going to fight back.

Corporate media is seeing their biggest supporter going down the toilet, and they're not about to sit around and do nothing.

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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:25 PM
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18. there's no 'oops' in preemptive war
the reason you're supposed to wait until the other guy attacks is because this way, everybody KNOWS they were the aggressor.

if you go ahead and attack 'preemptively', you MUST be right. there's no 'oops', sorry.

'sorry, iraq, our bad! we really THOUGHT you had wmds.'

sheesh!
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newscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 04:55 PM
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73. That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:26 PM
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19. Yeah, hadleeeeeeeeeeeey, like
you're going to admit you bare-faced LIED. Wouldn't that put you all up at the Hague for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY? Thought so.

Let's have an INVESTIGATION and see who MISLED.

SCRAMBLE, SCRAMBLE, SCRAMBLE, all you Cockroaches.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 07:01 PM
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47. Dan Bartlett wants a debate and we should give him one!
1.) Yellow Cake from Niger

2.) Aluminum tubes

3.) Drone Planes to deliver bombs to the U.S.

4.) Iraq can be ready in 45 minutes

5.) Iraqis are shooting at U.S. & U.K. planes in the No Fly Zone

7.) 911, al Qaeda and Iraq were working together

9.) The mushroom cloud scenario
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:27 PM
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20. Stephen "Let them eat yellowcake" Hadley's stock fell some time ago.
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Nitrogenica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:28 PM
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21. Staggering proof as to how much we were mislead.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:39 PM
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22. Liar
keep spinning :eyes:
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4nic8em Donating Member (382 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 02:42 PM
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23. Oh, that's right...
I forgot...Clinton and God told Bush to invade Iraq.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:29 PM
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25. Bla bla bla bla bla bla.....
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:29 PM
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26. Lying Then, Lying Now
These guys are going to have to lie until they die to cover-up what they did.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:32 PM
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27. That's true - He LIED. Let's not parse words.
LIED.LIAR.WAR CRIMINAL.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 03:50 PM
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28. No, history says Bush lied, and then lied about lying. Look it up! n/t
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 03:51 PM by ProSense
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 04:12 PM
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29. More Staggering truth we were mislead
my Film "ROVE'S WAR" has 150 minutes of TRUTH on 2 DVDs, after a year of research I've got the GOODS on these Monsters..

There's too much of a trail for them to get out of it so they go straight for the bald faced LIE..

ANd HADLEY of all people - might as well trot out Cheney, maybe he'll be next, Hadley is about as nasty to look at as Cheney.. fearless fly glasses, all the charisma of a child molester, skin like a shaved mole..

I've got the WHOLE STORY, the Definitive Chronology of PlameGate on "Rove's War" at http://www.takebackthemedia.com - watch the 12 minute trailer and listen to my cover of the a great song, "Secret Agent Plame" (Randi Rhodes sang the LYRICS to my cover TWICE on Air America Radio a few weeks ago :) ) ..

GOt people getting this 2 DVD set to members of Congress as a TOOL!

Adopt a Congressman today :)
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 05:57 PM
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35. thanks for the link ...good work ...
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:43 PM
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45. Thanks for the post symbolman.
I hope everyone takes time to read all about this terrible deception. It is so much broader than a few bad apples in this administration. The involvement of foreign goverment conspiracy is important. Mind boggling. The whole world, especially the ostrich-americans should have access to the truth of this trail of conspiracy leading right up to the WH.
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Nordic65 Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 04:17 PM
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30. Spell it out for gods sake....
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 04:20 PM by Nordic65
"Turns out, we were wrong," Hadley told "Late Edition" on CNN.

I.E. "The war was a mistake"

- 1+1=2
- A Spade is a Spade
- 24 hours in a day
- * is a failure



Ahh, why bother...
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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 04:19 PM
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31. when they're pathological liars, what else would you expect?
"i didn't do it" or
"they did it too"

like a bratty child.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 04:24 PM
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32. It's not my fault. It's your fault and their fault and everyone else's
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 05:53 PM
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34. O.J Simpsons still proclaims innocence
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:08 PM
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36. Check this out:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/11/1782577.php

Well worth taking time to find out the people who helped Bush lead us into war. It may be painfull to read, but it is very important to realize this whole fandango was well planned by spooks willing to help dubya in his march to Bhagdad.


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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:14 PM
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37. More lies to cover up the original lies. Expect anything less?
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:14 PM
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38. Thank you. Now the door is open. nt
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:15 PM
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39. Hadley blows it.
All that other miasma..."the President didn't lie', "Everyone had the same intelligence.", "The Democrats voted for the war." -NONE OF IT WILL MATTER. This is the quote that will be repeated over and over:

"We were wrong."
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:16 PM
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40. You always have to parse their words carefully
"...allegations now that the president somehow manipulated intelligence, somehow misled the American people, are flat wrong."

The strict meaning of this can just be that Bush didn't actually do the forging personally (i.e. didn't "manipulate intelligence").

"It is unworthy and unfair and ill-advised, when our men and women in combat are putting their lives on the line, to relitigate an issue which was looked at by two authoritative sources and deemed closed," he said. "We need to put this debate behind us."

A classic non-denial denial.

"Every intelligence agency in the world, including the Russians, the French ... all reached the same conclusion," McCain said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Notice, he doesn't actually say what the conclusion was.

"Asked why people should believe U.S. claims about the nuclear plans of Iran given the failure of intelligence about Iraq, Hadley said there has been international consensus about Iran."

Yet, McCain just claimed that there had been international consensus about Iraq ("all reached the same conclusion").

""Turns out, we were wrong," Hadley told "Late Edition" on CNN."

So, Hadley admits they were wrong about Iraq.
McCain claims there was an international consensus on Iraq, which would have to be a wrong consensus.
Then Hadley says claims about Iran are believable (and presumably correct) because of an international consensus.

Their message is all over the place, a classic sign of a liar.

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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:29 PM
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44. Chalabi, foreign /domestic spooks,administration
officials and AIPAC members are responsible for the forged and convoluted intelligence. Bush is the goat. The sticky web is being untangled. This cries out for Senate and UN investigation. Certainly it should be introduced to the American public via responsible news organizations. Bitter pill, but it has to be swallowed. Otherwise there is no hope for this nation.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:46 PM
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46. Right on, daleo.
Truth
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:17 PM
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41. Hadley, go home.
You bore me.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:19 PM
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42. Bush is just a bumbling mouthpiece for
AIPAC and US cabalists. He doesn't have the intelligence or capability to plan his day. He bought the illegal intelligence, hook line and sinker, that was presented to him. The truth of the matter is seeping out. Hopefully those involved in this heinous deception will be brought to justice. To quote: "In Jesus name I pray".
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Porcupine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 06:20 PM
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43. Agreed. He flat LIED to the American people. n/t
.
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:33 PM
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49. Hadley and the rest
of these f**kers should be put under oath and made to answer direct questions....

Actually I'd rather seem them in the "dock" at the Hague. :grr:
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:34 PM
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50. "My Mom Says I'm The Handsomest Boy in School!"
n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:50 PM
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51. "I yam notta crook."
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 08:54 PM
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52. Would this be the same Hadley that manipulated said imtelligence?
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:04 PM
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53. you can smell the fear now. in the past, the word "mislead" would never
have been uttered by the administration. their denials are getting more and more shrill.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:18 PM
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54. OK, I am convinced. Thanks for clearing that one up, Stevie.
Edited on Sun Nov-13-05 09:18 PM by yellowcanine
:sarcasm: :sarcasm:
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 09:45 PM
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55. oh pleeeeze!
eom
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Kenergy Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:11 PM
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56. Hadley is obviously a liar...I feel sorry for stupid morons like him n/t
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:16 PM
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57. WHUT ever. nt
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dennisnyc Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 10:25 PM
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58. Colin Powell disagrees. He said on MTPress that some of what he said
in the Feb. 5, 2005 show at the UN was "deliberately misleading"

Russert played the Powell clip for little Ken Melboy to run from this morning on Meet the Press.
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olddad56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:20 PM
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60. A man as brilliant as Bush being misled. Come on, He's the president.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-05 11:57 PM
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61. who would believe Hadley, the forger?
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M155Y_A1CH Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:03 AM
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62. LOL That's a good one
They're just kidding, right?
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 09:47 AM
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63. Didn't mislead??
HE FUCKING LIED
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:14 AM
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65. The only intelligence problem Bush has...
...lies between his ears.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:24 AM
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66. So, Clinton misled us when he said he didn't have sexual relations with ML
See, it wasn't a lie. He simply misled us.

Same difference. Rationalization is rationalization. Clinton's lie shamed us. bush's lies have damned us forever.
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dogfacedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:32 AM
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67. They Can Fix This. Here's How !!!
If, in fact, the "president didn't lie", these people can go a long way toward making us believe them by resigning immediately. From Cheney on down. This MUST include Cheney. The Cheney part is not negotiable.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 10:40 AM
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68. o.k., so bush didn't mislead...what about Cheney? and Poppy Smirk?
Baby Bush is too stupid and addle minded to know what's going on around him day to day, let alone in some foreign country that he couldn't even find on a map.
this whole thing has been the Poppy/Cheney show from before day 1.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 11:16 AM
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70. "These aren't the droids you're looking for"
Hey, Hadley: That Jedi mind control shit only works on weak minds. (But that's who you're really talking to -- the "base" -- isn't it?)

We don't need a congressional investigation to KNOW that *Co mislead the country into war -- there's already enough in the public record to justify impeachment. What we need is for congress to uphold thier sworn duties and hold *Co accountable. The investigation is just Step 1.

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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 01:58 PM
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71. tee hee!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-05 04:26 PM
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72. Sunday July 27, 2003
Stephen J. Hadley, said in a second White House briefing that he did not mention doubts raised by the CIA about an African uranium claim Bush planned to make in an October speech (the accusation, cut from that speech, reemerged in Bush's State of the Union address). Hadley said he did not mention the objections to Rice because "there was no need." Hadley said he does not recall ever discussing the matter with Rice, suggesting she was not aware that the sentence had been removed"

When the controversy intensified earlier this month with a White House admission of error, Rice was the first administration official to place responsibility on CIA Director Tenet for the inclusion in Bush's State of the Union address of the Africa uranium charge. The White House now concedes that pinning responsibility on Tenet was a costly mistake. CIA officials have since made clear to the White House and to Congress that intelligence agencies had repeatedly tried to wave the White House off the allegation.

Oh what a wicked web (they) weave, when they practice to deceive

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