Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom

11/13/2005
Santorum: Don't put intelligent design in classroom
Bill Vidonic - Times Staff


BEAVER FALLS - U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum said Saturday that he doesn't believe that intelligent design belongs in the science classroom.

Santorum's comments to The Times are a shift from his position of several years ago, when he wrote in a Washington Times editorial that intelligent design is a "legitimate scientific theory that should be taught in the classroom." But on Saturday, the Republican said that, "Science leads you where it leads you."

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Earlier this summer, President Bush said he favored teaching intelligent design in the classroom. With Santorum running for re-election next year, and with Bush and the Republican Party taking some significant hits in public confidence in recent months, Santorum insisted he is not trying to distance himself from Bush.

Santorum said he still supports President Bush, even though on Friday, he said in Philadelphia that mistakes had been made in the Iraq war, and that at least a portion of the blame lies with the White House. Saturday, Santorum said of Bush, "I don't agree with everything he does," but said that overall, he considers Bush a good president and that he has "done a lot" for the country and for Santorum himself.

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http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15568651&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478569&rfi=6

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Can't this 'person' stand by his convictions? What precipitated this? The polls or Rome?

I say it doesn't matter, he's finished.

Sorry ricky-dear. We know what your original intent was. You're just looking at that vote in the Dover school board and you're scared to death that the voters are going to give you the same heave-ho they gave to the eight buy-bull wackos who got dumped last Tuesday.

I think you're a little too late.

Besides, what's to keep you from flip-flopping back to your old knuckle-dragger preferences once you've sweet-talked the voters into giving you a lease extension?

Funny how moderate he's trying to sound now. Sorry, sanctimonium. we see through that hypocritical crap. I just hope others in Pennsylvania remain unswayed, also. You never know with some people.

back-pedaling like that.

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/

nothing more.

Lie now to save his ass, vote for ID in the classroom later.
He won't get the chance.

that means he's better than W.

Of course better than the worst president ever is still horribly, awfully, destructively bad. :shrug:

... depending on which way the political wind is blowing. He still hasn't figured out that the political wind BLEW HIM AWAY months ago!

What fucking douchebag.

That bastard ripped off PA for a bundle, homeschooling his kids!!!

...say anything and do anything. Absolutely no convictions other than saving his own sorry ass.

more like it! 8^)

All 8 of them were voted out thanks to pushing I.D.

There are no big secrets
Don't believe what you read
We have great big bodies
We got great big heads
Run-a-run-a-run it all together
Check it out - still don't make no sense
Makin' flippy floppy
Tryin to do my best
Lock the door
We kill the beast
Kill it!

This might indeed have been precipitated by the fact that the Vatican supports the teaching of evolution. Santorum is not the most independent of thinkers. Nor is he the most thinker of thinkers. But considering the rout of the Dover, PA board, he may have seen that the voters don't like what they see either, and although Santo' may not be able to save his own ass anymore, he might be trying to salvage things for his party. Just a guess.

In any event, it's fun to see him squirm like this.

:7

And I daresay we will see the "great minds" at Fox go with the same line.

Quite hilarious! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Go get 'em, whoever Santorum's opponent is! Also, you might want to bring up the fact that Uncle Rick likes to bring dead fetuses home for the kids to play with. :puke:

MojoXN

He's tacking to center fast fast fast.

I think he just checked the off-year results from the Philly suburbs. He's finished.

I just took it upon myself to write a letter asking for an explanation about why Senator Santorum supported the teaching of ID several years ago, but now believes it doesn't have a place in public school science classes. The letter was carefully worded to not give away my political leanings, I can't wait to see how his staff spins it, if I even get a reply.

They are trying to skirt around the issue when what they really want is BIBLICAL CREATIONISM. The Vatican just came out AGAIN and said they see no problem with Evolution.

So who does Little Ricky back? His Fundie Republicans or his Church? If nothing else, the man is a "catholic" to the nth degree and if that means parting company with the "christian right", I guess he will do it.

his mail, usually in form letter style. I read the first few paragraphs and then throw the letter in the trash, because his ideas are garbage.

2 very Rethug. Senators (Allen & Warner), I'm not holding my breath.

I think Rick is finally catching on.

looking for a few votes (okay a whole bunch of votes if you look to the polls). He's going to lose, but if he by some chance pulls off the miracle of the year, this creep will revert back to the same nut he's always been. My family will be doing their part to vote Ricky out of our state.

during the campaign of Ricky visiting Pat Robertson on the 700 Club.

The Pope has said that evolution is implied in the Bible. So Ricky is having to let go of his republicanism because it does not parallel the ideas of his constituents or God as he knows him.

I give him credit for taking the views of the people of PA on this and for taking the view of Jesus as his faith believes it to be. But he had to change to this view because the one that he held so close is a losing position. He flipped flopped on this issue and he is only trying to save his butt. Regardless of the outcome of next years election he will go back to being a Repug toady. He will reject Jesus and go back to a fundamentalist view, he will reject the views of the people of PA and stump for other repugs.

I know your opposition to intelligent design has nothing to do with this. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/Pennsylvania%20Senate%20Nov%2010.htm

'cause it would be really damaging if he were on record as more extreme than Santorum.

first, caught on-camera man-hugging Bush at the convention with a besotted smile of passion on his face.
Then, embracing wacko "intelligent" design.

just a few months ago, they bench over backwards for the christian right and now they are trapped by their boneheaded choices

send them gift wrapped anvils, with shiny red bow for good measure

Since when doesn't he agree with everything the chimp does? Oh yeah, ever since the repuke's poll numbers have been IN THE TOILET. :rofl: HYPOCRITE.

He's only saying it, and saying it now, more significantly, 'cause * says otherwise.

It was never a conviction. He's another corporatist wearing Christian clothing, and is certainly willing to sacrifice a third-tier agenda item in order to keep his corrupt ass afloat.

I wonder if Pat Robertson will smote him for his insolence?

he'd better stay away from disasters.

Dover is in York County. That is a predominately Republican region and they just elected an all Democratic school board because of the intelligent design mess created by the previous board. He is trying to make sure he has the votes in York County. The damage is done. People want this idiot out. He doesn't even live in our state. He is considered an outsider.

Politically, this is a pretty foolish move, IMO. I won't even give him credit for being right, as I strongly suspect he doesn't really believe what he's saying, but is only being what he believes is politically expedient. And I think he's farked up on that, too.

It always amazes me. I heard him last yr on Imus and could not believe my ears.

so that, as soon as he is re-elected, he can go back on the 700 Club, launch into more man-on-dog rants, and recant every position he had during the campaign. . .

This man cannot be trusted.

What emotion comes after 'hate'?
I got nothing...

Ricky isn't playing to voters, now is he?

Ricky wouldn't do that, would he?

it's a slipper. He's slippin' into darkness... yeah, eh, eh... Slippin' into darkness...

Buhbye, Rick.

him not to pray for re-election because HE'S TURNED AWAY FROM GOD???

And why the hell does Santorum think he should be telling the rest of us what should be taught in public shcools? He thinks public shcools are weird!

T-Ricky home schools his kids:

8:00 - 9:00 - Hypocrisy
9:00 - 10:00 - Lying with a Straight Face
10:00 - 11:00 - Ripping off the Taxpayers
11:00 - 12:00 - The Art of Flip-Flopping
12:00 - 1:00 - Free Lunch (provide by taxpayers)
1:00 -3:00 - Hypocricsy Lab

This is what a CATHOLIC NUN had to say about T-Ricky in a letter to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette:

"Sen. Santorum teaches his children the following lessons:
1) Take advantage of the system whenever you can.
2) The little guy pays while the rich and powerful guy gets away with it.
3) As a Catholic, you have no obligation to pay your share to the common good in spite of Catholic social doctrine. "

http://santorumcybergate.blogspot.com

his mind, to rethink his idiotic old position. I am glad he did. The more people who speak against teaching ID , the better off this nation will be. We are already, and have been for years, lagging in really heavy science education compared to other nations. If I had my way, no one could get out of high school without four years of science. I can't even imagine ID being brought up 10 or 15 years ago on national news. Now it's sort of there, being discussed on talk shows, etc. It's sickening.

If he had ever bothered to research his chruches position, the Catholic Church has supported evolution since before WWII. He took up ID/Creationism as a payoff to fundamentalist protestants.

The Catholic Church learned its lesson with Galileo(sp)...

maybe this is what he really believes and he's not just saying it to win votes

and then, monkeys might be flying out of my ass at any time

:rofl:

But how can monkeys be flying out of your ass when they're so busy flying out of santorum's ass? I think they're already booked.

:toast:

Too Late.

It's too late for ALL of you.

Reap The Fucking Whirlwind, Asshole.

You and your ilk couldn't possibly suffer consequences harsh enough to pay properly for the things you have done.

Probably both! Like you said, LiviaOlivia, it doesn't matter, come next November the fine folks of Pennsylvania will be electing Bob Casey as their new Senator. Santorum will have to look for a job!

do with it. The pope spoke out about this awhile ago, but the Dover school board election is much more recent, AND hits far closer to home. As the old saying goes... all politics is local. I don't think the pope's statement has much to do with it. I think he's realizing that the ID people getting dumped in Dover - could EASILY happent to him. All he's doing is watching the weather and trying to plan strategically for the climate change. But when you're designed for beach-wear and the glacier's coming, you're probably sunk.

I soitenly hope so! I've got my donation money ready, Mr. Casey...

as the timing of his change of heart after the recent school board election. This is the kind of flailing about reactively that D'Amato did when Schumer shoved him aside. A real sad campaign on the run from public opinion.

They thought they could shove their brainless fundyisms down our throats. Fuck them! You're going down, Little Ricky!!!

he's just trying to round up his chances for votes in 2008.:thumbsdown:

http://villagevoice.com/news/0546,zeliger,69964,2.html

that would be my guess.

First he avoids Chimpy, now this. Stick a fork in 'em kids, he's done!

I'm surprised nobody said that one yet...

The moderates won't forget his previous extreme positions and the extremes won't forgive him for moving moderate.

:rofl:

This is too damned funny.

You pegged it. You can't be and EXTREME REPUBLICAN (as in an EXTREME television ad) and then go back. It literally is like falling off a cliff.

.. now that he's behind in the polls?

You know he doesn't mean it.

Sue

No amount of back peddling or flip flopping will help you

He is so gone.

I will spare no shoe leather making sure my neighbors know his opinions and actions.

He's got to wait for the next poll to tell him whether to shit or piss

Ricky: YOU STILL GONNA LOOSE

your sorry ass is still going to lose you sick bastard!

please enjoy this 500 message collection of the FR gang slapping each other around over the ID vs evolution argument, with a poke at Lil' Ricky every 10th message or so...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1521422/posts

nothing sells better than a flip flopper

casey should run an with Santorum's face on both sides of a coin or better yet showing Santorum's confusion on the issue