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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:39 PM
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U.K. Says White Phosphorous Used for Smoke

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051116/API/511160638

U.K. Says White Phosphorous Used for Smoke

Associated Press Writer
LONDON

The British military uses white phosphorous in Iraq but only to lay smoke screens, the government said Wednesday, after allegations that U.S. troops used the incendiary weapon against civilians during the battle of Fallujah last year.

White phosphorous, in a form used by the military, ignites when it is exposed to oxygen, producing such heat that it bursts into a yellow flame and produces a dense white smoke. It is used to mask troop movements and to light up a battlefield but also can cause painful burn injuries to exposed human flesh.

"In the British army, we only use white phosphorous as a cover, as a smoke screen," Defense Secretary John Reid told reporters at a NATO training exercise in Germany.

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Despite initial denials, Pentagon officials acknowledged Tuesday that U.S. troops had used the substance as an incendiary weapon against insurgent strongholds there.


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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:41 PM
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1. incendiary weapon, my ass
the weapon part is not the fire, but the phosphorous. :grr:

that would be a CHEMICAL weapon.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:41 PM
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2. yes, and the nazis were only burning Jews for warmth
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Lowell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:41 PM
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3. That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Why would you use white phosphorous for smoke when there are a myriad of smoke grenades produced for the military. Different colors and much cheaper to produce than WP.
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BOHICA06 Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:47 PM
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5. Volume versus time ...
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 12:47 PM by BOHICA06
nothing better than Willie P when you positively have to have smoke on time and on-target! And .... the incendiary properties are bonus.

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 12:41 PM
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4. That "smoke" will burn the shit out of you
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:36 PM
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7. ....then it will kill 'ya, nothing humane about this weapon
and the military has the audacity to say they didn't use it on civilians. I've seen photos of babies, young children and old folks dead from White Phosphorous.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 01:13 PM
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6. Is that "Bomber Harris" talking?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:10 PM
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8. This explanation sounds like smoke
There must be things more suited to producing smoke than this. I thought the official explanation was illumination. Smoke - illumination, it's all the same when you are lying.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 06:28 PM
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9. Yep, just using it for smoke. And to light cigarettes, of course.
Yeah, using that white phosphiorous for smoke -- to smoke them out. Nothing smokes them out better than burning their skin from their bodies. Hit quite a few bystanders, but, what the hey, they need smoking out, too.

'U.S. troops had used the substnace as an incendiary weapon against insurtgent strongholds there.' Yeah, and read 'insurgent strongholds' as the whole damn city.
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