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TexasLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:18 PM
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U.S. Has Detained 83,000 in War on Terror
U.S. Has Detained 83,000 in War on Terror
Nov 16 2:56 PM US/Eastern

By KATHERINE SHRADER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON

The United States has detained more than 83,000 foreigners in the four years of the war on terror, enough to nearly fill the NFL's largest stadium. The administration defends the practice of holding detainees in prisons from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay as a critical tool to stop the insurgency in Iraq, maintain stability in Afghanistan and get known and suspected terrorists off the streets.

Roughly 14,500 detainees remain in U.S. custody, primarily in Iraq.
The number has steadily grown since the first CIA paramilitary officers touched down in Afghanistan in the fall of 2001, setting up more than 20 facilities including the "Salt Pit," an abandoned factory outside Kabul used for CIA detention and interrogation.

In Iraq, the number in military custody hit a peak on Nov. 1, according to military figures. Nearly 13,900 suspects were in U.S. custody there that day _ partly because U.S. offensives in western Iraq put pressure on insurgents before the October constitutional referendum and December parliamentary elections.

The detentions and interrogations have brought complaints from Congress and human-rights groups about how the detainees _ often Arab and male _ are treated.

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http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/16/D8DTOTT00.html
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:23 PM
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1. Ah, and , as you can see
it's worked so well. The number of attacks is dropping, the frequency of attacks is dropping, the number of terrorists is dropping, the....what? The Dickens, you say!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:28 PM
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2. And for all that
not a single conviction?

No wonder they need to keep everything secret, they could never win any of these cases in an open court.

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 03:32 PM
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3. I don't believe the 14.500 number.
Its too low. 20 facilities in afghanistan. Many more in Iraq. Secret facilities in eastern europe. 'unofficial' arrangements for detention and torture with numerous governments. Our gulag is planet wide and growing.

We know about gitmo, where victims are approaching five years without charges, none of them with any direct connection to 9-11. How many are in that one concentration camp? 500? Just using the 500 figure Afghanistan alone accounts for 10,000 prisoners.

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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:24 PM
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4. Lock up everybody and we won't have any problems....
yeah, right.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:31 PM
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5. wow, makes for quite a mental picture
I wish they were all gathered in a stadium for pics and video coverage.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:01 AM
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6. kick to combine
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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7. U.S. Has Detained 83,000 in War on Terror
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/11/16/national/w115605S61.DTL

By KATHERINE SHRADER, Associated Press Writer

Wednesday, November 16, 2005

The United States has detained more than 83,000 foreigners in the four years of the war on terror, enough to nearly fill the NFL's largest stadium. The administration defends the practice of holding detainees in prisons from Afghanistan to Guantanamo Bay as a critical tool to stop the insurgency in Iraq, maintain stability in Afghanistan and get known and suspected terrorists off the streets.

Roughly 14,500 detainees remain in U.S. custody, primarily in Iraq.

The number has steadily grown since the first CIA paramilitary officers touched down in Afghanistan in the fall of 2001, setting up more than 20 facilities including the "Salt Pit," an abandoned factory outside Kabul used for CIA detention and interrogation.

...

As of March, 108 detainees were known to have died in U.S. military and CIA custody, including 22 who died when insurgents attacked Abu Ghraib and others who died of natural causes. At least 26 deaths have been investigated as criminal homicide

...


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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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8. Give them a little Abu Ghraib treatment and we have some real problems
when they come out. My belief is that the Abu Ghraib policy of Bush**-Cheney-Gonzales-Rice-Rumsfeld-Rove-Wolfowitz is what is fueling a lot of the insurgency (and worldwide backlash from Muslims).
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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15. My belief is that these gulags are intended to force servitude on,....
,...those being held e.g. force folks to serve as human intelligence.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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9. And we only beat like about 100 of them to death
so what's the big deal? 100 out of 83,000 I mean come on!
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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10. If you think about it, though...
I've heard estimates of over 100K Iraqi's killed since the start of the war. The country has a population around 26 million, so your chance of being killed if free in Iraq (based on these numbers, and they could be wrong) are 100,000/26,000,000 or about 0.4%. Your chances of being killed in US custody would be 100/83,000 (I wouldn't bet on these numbers being accurate either) or about 0.1%. I wonder how many people feel safer in US custody, than they would if they were free?
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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11. And actual conviction rate? About one in a million....
But then again, who needs trials?
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Thom Little Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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12. The new right-wing racism at work.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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13. 83,000 seems like a pretty fair start on a gulag
Sure, it's not quite Stalin, but Gulag wasn't built in a day.
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jmatthan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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14. Pastor Martin Niemöller

'First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist, so I said nothing.
Then they came for the Social Democrats, but I was not a Social Democrat, so I did nothing.
Then came the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist.
And then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew, so I did little.
Then when they came for me, there was no one left to stand up for me.'

See what Congressman John Conyers Jr. says on the Patriot Act

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/16/174944/46

TODAY is your D-Day.
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TheGunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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16. I thought the insurgency was only 20,000 or so?
That's what this admin has told us.

I guess we keep re-arresting the same "evil-doers"


:eyes:
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 07:41 AM
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17. They're mixing Iraq and the War on Terror again.
But, I guess that's the capitalized, Bush version.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 08:17 AM
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18. The War of Terror
We need to start calling it that.
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