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dubyaD40web Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:12 PM
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Rawstory: National Security Adviser was Woodward's source, attorneys say
National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley was the senior administration official who told Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward that Valerie Plame Wilson was a covert CIA officer, attorneys close to the investigation and intelligence officials tell RAW STORY.

Testifying under oath Monday to Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, Woodward recounted a casual conversation he had with Hadley, these sources say. Hadley did not return a call seeking comment.

Woodward said he was told that it was “no big deal” that former Ambassador Joseph Wilson was sent to Niger to investigate the veracity of the Bush Administration’s claims that Iraq was seeking uranium from Niger. According to the attorneys, he said Hadley dismissed the trip by saying his wife, a covert CIA officer who worked on WMD issues, had recommended him.

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/National_Security_Adviser_was_Woodwards_source_1116.html
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:16 PM
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1. Yeah, "no big deal" ..outting an
undercover CIA agent..and these mentally challenged monsters are running our Country!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:17 PM
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4. Nope no bigee Hadley is the one who put the 16 works into the SOTU
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 04:18 PM by underpants
and he didn't have to resign hell he really got a promotion.
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Brooklyn Michael Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:17 PM
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2. DAMN!.....just beat me to it.
But here's an interesting point:

Hadley says Plame was covert, so that should lay any Freeper theories to rest........

Wait, what am I thinking? When has a Freeper ever changed their tune when faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary?
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:57 PM
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27. That's one way to read it; or maybe that's just
rawstory's description of Plame? It's not really a quote.
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:17 PM
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3. Woodward got classified info and talk about it with Bu$h*, Hadley & Rice.
:grr: :( :grr: :( :grr: :( :grr: :( :grr: :( :grr: :( :grr: :(
<snip>
In his most recent book, Bush at War, Woodward says he was given access to classified minutes of National Security Council meetings. Both Rice and Hadley were major players in these meetings.

President Bush sat for lengthy interviews for his book, often speaking about classified information, Woodward later said. The Post editor added that he was surprised by Bush’s frankness.

"Certainly Richard Nixon would not have allowed reporters to question him like that,” he said. “Bush's father wouldn't allow it. Clinton wouldn't allow it.”
more...
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/National_Security_Adviser_was_Woodwards_source_1116.html
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:26 PM
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22. This is not news... Woodward bragged about it years ago...
I don't get why people are upset about this?

Bob Woodward was always the 'Secret Agent Man'.


The issue to be focused on is whether or not Fitz will be moving forward with prosecutions... don't need Woodward for that, he's the annointed one in Washington. Simply another Diva, who is also a tough competitor and someone who was in the right place and the right time during Watergate.

He's got money to make and a reputation to protect, but above and beyond that a cause celebre to keep enshrined.




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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:20 PM
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5. I knew that Hadley's name would be linked to the treason sooner or later.
Something about him has just always seemed to stink.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:36 PM
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13. Like most of the neocons
he makes my skin crawl just look at his picture.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:22 PM
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6. You know what's been bugging me?
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 04:34 PM by skypilot
It's this nonsense/talking point about how Plame "recommended" Wilson for the job. So what? She could recommend her housekeeper if she wanted to. If I understand correctly, the final decision wasn't hers to make. Wouldn't her superior(s) be the one to sign off on sending Wilson on this particular mission? There's a difference between "recommending" and "pulling strings". I've yet to hear any of these guys say that she did anything underhanded or pulled strings for Wilson. Certainly, she did nothing to warrant having her cover blown.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:29 PM
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9. I agree it's a non-starter whether Plame recommended Wilson for trip or
not. Who cares unless the trip was some luxury junket at taxpayer expense? (Even the repukes don't claim this). This is just a diversionary tactic to sidetrack the American sheeple from learning the truth about their selected chimp president and his criminal corporation.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:33 PM
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12. Oh my God, are you reading my mind?
I've always said that unless his trip was a junket or he wasn't qualified for the mission or he didn't do what he was sent to do, that Plame's recommendation was no big deal. It could be argued that there is the appearance of nepotism or cronyism but if we were really concerned about Saddam getting his hands on uranium, and Wilson was qualified to get the facts, then who gives a shit?
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:28 PM
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23. Does anyone know how Wilson got there (private jet, first class?)
Where he stayed? What he ate? Why his wife would want him to have a nice trip to fucking Africa for Christ's sake?
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:37 PM
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31. Well, according to Wilson himself.
He says the trip -- him going abroad -- wasn't something she was real tickled about, as they had young twins.

My comment -- Niger is a poor country. It's not like he was going to the Riviera or something.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:59 PM
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18. I would think this is the best case scenario and SOP
for the agency. What are they supposed to do? Send a spy? Bring in someone from the outside? What better credentials can you have to have been an ambassador to the region AND have a wife in the Agency?
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:14 PM
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29. In terms of discrediting Wilson, I think it's a pretty weak argument
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 07:15 PM by Boo Boo
Although, for Freeps desperately looking for something to hang on to I guess it'll have to do. There is another angle to it that most of us ignore, though: by choosing Wilson, the CIA was, in effect, laundering classified information. I think that might be another reason why the Cabal obsesses on the point.

If the CIA had sent somebody official, or had just handed it off to officials in Africa, then the results of the mission could have been controlled by the Cabal. Cheney requested further information about the Niger story, and the WINPAC group punk'd him by sending a non-official person to investigate. That allowed Wilson to go public with what he knew without breaking the rules.

The Cabal perceived this (correctly, I think) as an attack. If I remember correctly, Wilson actually warned NSC (Rice, Hadley, etc.) that if they didn't start playing it straight on the Niger story that he would go public and set the record straight. Rice, I believe, basically told him to go right ahead.

So you have a group at CIA (WINPAC) that knows the Niger story is BS, but they can't go public about it, they're not allowed to discuss their work with non-authorized persons. So they send Wilson to investigate, and in doing so they got their story out anyway, which must have made Cheney madder than hell.

WINPAC "outed" the WH, and the WH returned the favor.
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Oreegone Donating Member (726 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:05 PM
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36. Ambassador Joseph Wilson
Before anyone asks why would it be Joseph Wilson, please read this article. My question, why wouldn't they send him. Oh and by the way somebody must have realized what his wife did for a living. If she was a lowely office worker why would her opinion on who went matter. Come on folks have a clue.

Excerpt:
For 23 years, from 1976 to 1998, I was a career foreign service officer and ambassador. In 1990, as chargé d'affaires in Baghdad, I was the last American diplomat to meet with Saddam Hussein. (I was also a forceful advocate for his removal from Kuwait.) After Iraq, I was President George H. W. Bush's ambassador to Gabon and São Tomé and Príncipe; under President Bill Clinton, I helped direct Africa policy for the National Security Council.

It was my experience in Africa that led me to play a small role in the effort to verify information about Africa's suspected link to Iraq's nonconventional weapons programs. Those news stories about that unnamed former envoy who went to Niger? That's me.
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0706-02.htm
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:27 PM
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7. At the time, Hadley worked directly for
C. Rice. Anybody here believe that she didn't know Hadley was doing this? Rice was the National Security Advisor at the time, reporting directly to *, and Rice wouldn't go to the bathroom without checking with * first. Impeachment proceedings are getting closer and closer.

K&R

:kick:
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Larry in KC Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:31 PM
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10. No, that's backwards. It's * who wouldn't go to the bathroom...
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 04:32 PM by Larry in KC
without checking with Condi. UN assemblies included.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:40 PM
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14. You're right...
I forgot about that!

:spank: me.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:51 PM
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34. THAT's the point. There's the conspiracy. There's the leak.
Rice via Hadley.

So, we either lock up Rice or Hadley.

Real simple.

What is Fitz waiting for?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:33 PM
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40. Gonna get them all...
We need a good, legal, coup de tat.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:29 PM
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8. This video about VP involvement just warmed my heart...
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:31 PM
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11. saw John Dean on Countdown---warmed me up, too. Olbermann is doing
a GREAT job covering the stories and Chris Matthews is getting some good interviews, too.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:51 PM
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17. Hadley Libby are all WHIG's and right hand men to Cheney
Look out Dick here he comes!!!
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rawstory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:49 PM
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15. Clarification
Clarification: Due to an editing error, the first edition of this article was unclear about whether Woodward was told Plame was covert. Woodward was only told she was a CIA analyst.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 04:50 PM
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16. Hadley cheneys right hand man Condi's right hand man
revealed Plame as a COVERT CIA AGENT!!!

So they all knew that it was against the law
Woodruff Hadley and Novak Libby etc...

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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:06 PM
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19. Can you say C O N S P I R A C Y !
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:35 PM
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24. Yes I can!
:wow:
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:05 PM
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28. I can spell - CONDIspiracy for sure! n/t
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:47 PM
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33. how do we spell it? Cheneyhadleylibbyetal
Edited on Wed Nov-16-05 07:48 PM by wordpix
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:35 PM
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25. Hadley/Rice + Libby/Cheney + Rove/Bush =
conspiracy
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:11 PM
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20. Remember, Hadley was directly involved...
..in the Niger/16 words in SOTU. In fact, he publicly took the blame (after Condi threw him under the bus).

Anyone think he would have something personal against Wilson after that fiasco?
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Yoda Yada Donating Member (474 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:12 PM
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21. Condi's "Chatter"...
When I read (somewhere) that Woodward used the words "gossip and chatter", I immediately thought of how Rice always liked to use the word "chatter". Remember when she defended not doing anything about "Bin Laden determined to attack the United States", and she said there was a lot of "chatter", but nothing specific. That was the first time I heard an official use that word. So, when I hear it now...again..., I think of Condoleezza Rice.

Now, when Woodward uses the word "chatter" , it makes me think that he was talking to Rice.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:41 PM
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32. As I understand Condi's use of the word "chatter" --
it means intercepted conversations, etc. between suspects, that don't amount to a lot, but may have little bits of things of interest. It's used frequently with regard to intercepts of suspected terrorists, and their plans.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 05:37 PM
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26. So...how many more SAOs do they have left for sword falling?
:shrug:
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:16 PM
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30. heh, the ranks were thin to begin with..
What with all the conspiracy, and not trusting anyone outside the "circle of friends" and with B*shie Boy appointing his nannies to run the world...
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 07:56 PM
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35. ROTFLMAO!!! I absolutely LOVE this shitstorm!!!!
Hey, you inhuman neoconster-backed corporacrats,...KISS MY ASS,...YOU ARE GOING DOWN!!!

:rofl:

OH, HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY,...WHAT A GREAT TURN OF EVENTS!!! *dancin*
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:06 PM
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37. Is he on the indicted list;?
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:15 PM
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38. Fitz' inquiries are looking very WHIGish aren't they?
It's looking lie Wilson's civil suit will have to sue the entire WH senior staff
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-05 08:25 PM
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39. Falling on swords to divert from and protect Libby?
Lying to mess up the timeline? Disinformation?

Lock 'em ALL up and throw away the key. Fuck 'em all.
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