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goju Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:31 PM
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Report: al-Zarqawi killed by explosions in Mosul
At least one Arab television media outlet reported that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the head of the al-Qaida in Iraq, was killed in Iraq on Sunday afternoon when eight terrorists blew themselves up in the in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul.

The unconfirmed report claimed that the explosions occurred after coalition forces surrounded the house in which al-Zarqawi was hiding.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475588009&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull



Anyone know if this is true?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:32 PM
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1. when I see his body, I'll believe it
until then, it's the JPost.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:32 PM
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66. Gee, they can show you any body. How on Earth could
any of us know whose body it is? It's not like there is shortage of bodies in Iraq now days.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:08 PM
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87. well, we know who he is
and he has parents and a sibling alive. DNA should do it.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:32 PM
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2. this is at least the fourth report of his death that I personally remember
that guy has more lives than Fritz the Cat

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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:41 PM
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12. I can remember at least 5 :-)
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 03:35 AM
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105. 3 here.. this is my third. Don't forget how he grew his leg back!
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:33 PM
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3. now we can leave
face saving strategy? :shrug:
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:49 PM
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Yep
I believe this is CIA psy-ops to continue our phased surrender and withdrawal from Iraq. Bush will say, "We've killed Zarqawi, held elections and defeated a dictator." Then we will RUN LIKE HELL (thankfully).
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oregonindy Donating Member (790 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:33 PM
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4. Personally I think he's vampire....he keeps rising from the dead again
and again
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:33 PM
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5. Reminds me of that Kenneth Branagh movie Dead Again n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:45 PM
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36. Boys from Brazil, in Arab fashion???
Maybe there are a zillion of them!!!!
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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:44 PM
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54. LOL n/t
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:33 PM
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6. Again?
This like the Franceso Franco stories of the 1970's.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:53 PM
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22. Ha! I remember that .... "Generalissmo Francisco Franko is still dead."
Ackroyd did that week after week on Weekend Update. Thanks for the reminder.

I guess we can start saying "Abu Musab al Zarqawi is still dead!"
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:52 PM
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48. It was Chevy Chase.....
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:24 PM
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49. You're right. It's all coming back to me.
Not only can I not remember the 60's, but the 70's are a little hazy too!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:34 PM
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52. I know... There are whole patches of those years that
well, let's just say what happened in the 70's stayed in the 70's....
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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:29 PM
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64. just in time
for Bush's numbers to go up. Better than an elevated terror alert
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:34 PM
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7. They are doing DNA testing of remains
A U.S. and Iraqi raid on a suspected al Qaeda in Iraq safe house in Mosul sparked a three-hour firefight in which four insurgents and four policemen were killed and three guerrillas blew themselves up, said Gov. Duraid Kashmoulaof Nineveh province.

Iraqi and U.S. forces had suspected Abu Musab Zarqawi, leader of Iraq's most feared insurgent group, might be at the house, Kashmoula said. Zarqawi's whereabouts have been the topic of a stream of murky reports; U.S. military officials have said they believe Zarqawi has vowed not to be taken alive.

The U.S. military was examining the dead late Saturday, the governor said. U.S. military spokesmen in Baghdad said they had no information other than word of the firefight.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/19/AR2005111901120.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:36 PM
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8. Comparing it to what?
When did they pick up a Zarqawi sample?
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:43 PM
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15. I actually remember the answer to this question
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 01:44 PM by ECH1969
I remember reading an article in May about the military testing blood found at a hospital after a doctor said he treated Zarqawi at that hospital for a gunshot wound. They got the DNA from hair samples taken from Zarqawi's house in Jordan that match the DNA samples of hair found on his laptop we picked up in Febuary. Of course the DNA showed that the doctors story was bogus and I suspect this will be found to be wrong as well.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:48 PM
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20. So they are going to compare some bits of stuff to
some other bits of stuff with no idea if any of the stuff belongs to the fictional multi-legged multi-lived bogeyman and then make a pronouncement just as the laying sack of shit in the white house is self destructing?


How Convenient.
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:53 PM
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23. They do this kind of DNA testing all the time
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 01:54 PM by ECH1969
20$ says it isn't him. Of course the media has to have something to chew on so they report on this crap.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:42 AM
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109. a hairy laptop?
Please.
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:21 AM
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110. He'll remain alive on propoganda life support
for as long as we need him. Same with OSama. Kill the BoogeyMan, game over. What fun is that if you are a war profiteer and a Terra Fightin Presdent?
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:19 PM
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42. his family's dna ?
I assume they are blood relatives,
but I don't know that
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GemMom Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:15 PM
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31. They are doing DNA testing of remains
It's well known that Zarqawi has family living in Jordan in a "high-walled house". No doubt DNA samples have already been obtained from cooperative family members.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:49 PM
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39. Does Jordan only contain one high walled house?
Otherwise, this is not very specific.
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Corgigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:36 PM
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9. Great
We won the war in Iraq. Can the military come home now?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:32 PM
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118. Exactly my thought
Let's go now...
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:37 PM
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10. Odd coincidence: Al-Zarqawi renounced by his Jordanian family
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afdip Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:41 PM
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11. there are a dozen waiting to take his place , , , then we will learn
that sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't know.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:07 PM
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30. the bastard is a small part of the problem
the real issue is the civil war between the Shiites and the Sunni

mark my words


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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:24 PM
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44. multiple potential replacements would be a problem...
because of the ensueing power struggle
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wordpix2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:41 PM
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111. sadly true, US just keeps on creating more terrorists with blood for oil
policies
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:41 PM
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13. Good news! No more terrorism!
No reason to stay now. Our job's finished.
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Call me Deacon Blues Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:41 PM
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14. Doesn't anybody remember Nick Fury's nemisis?
Marvel Comics fans -- what was Hydra's motto?



Thanks to Bushie's ineptitude, it doesn't matter if they kill him, or Bin Laden, or whoever.
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:44 PM
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16. How many times is this man gonna die??!!??
He has more lives than a cat! :crazy:
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:45 PM
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18. Maybe he's Kaiser Soze
indestructible.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:44 PM
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17. This would be death #6 I believe.
However, lets assume that the most likely fictional al zarqawi is now dead. So what? End of the insurgency? Freemon'n'moxy breaks out in Iraq? Finally our occupying army of heathen foreigners is welcomed with flowers? What?
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:47 PM
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19. Good
Now can we get back to finding bin Laden?

Mz Pip
:dem:
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:51 PM
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21. "I'll get you next time, Gadget - Next time!"
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 01:53 PM by thebigidea


Fig. 245234. Zarqawi eludes capture against crack coalition forces once again.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:54 PM
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24. they are quoting an unspecified Arab media outlet
I hope they are right, but I am extremely skeptical

I also find it interesting that this comes out just when bush seems to be getting hit most in the polls

The reality is that Iraq is in a civil war which is independent of the son-of-a-bitch zarqawi

debka also reports the same thing:

DEBKAfile Exclusive: US forces and forensic experts are examining the bodies of eight high-ranking al Qaeda leaders in Mosul to find out if their chief Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is among them.

November 20, 2005, 8:28 PM (GMT+02:00)

A sample of his DNA is in American possession for a match-up.

The bodies they are trying to identify are of 7 men and one woman, who blew themselves up Sunday, Nov. 20, after their hideout in northern Iraq was under siege by a large US force, backed by tanks and helicopters. The bodies are burned black and unrecognizable. Four Iraqi security officers were killed and 10 injured in the operation


http://www.debka.com/

but haaretz reports nothing, and neither does aljezeera so I will withhold judgement until it is confirmed. In this case they will NOT confirm it unless it is true, because it will come right back to haunt them


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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:56 PM
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25. If this is true it's poetic justice (terrorists blew themselves up) n/t
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:57 PM
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26. Again? That guys got 9 lives. n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:58 PM
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27. I think the consensus here is that this is #6
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 01:58 PM by Warren Stupidity
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:59 PM
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28. Again?
Cool. Wonder how long before they resurrect him this time.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:04 PM
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29. also please note the Jerusulaum Post is filled with PNAC
sympathizers, while Haaretz is NOT and says nothing about this

I believe they are trying to help ease the pressure on bush

I hope they did get the bastard, but I doubt it.

Remeber bush could have gotten the bastard on three different occaisions but instead decided to invade Iraq

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601




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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:51 PM
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40. Yes, formerly owned by Conrad Black
I think Richard Perle also had a close connection. In these matters, not an unbiased source.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:14 PM
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41. Come on, Wolf Blitzer worked for the JP and he is not unbiased
sorry
double negative on purpose
:evilgrin: :sarcasm:
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Selteri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:17 PM
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32. Again? What is he a fricking cat?!?
Man keeps popping up like a pairy dog.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:17 PM
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33. Dead again?
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:35 PM
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34. Zarqawi is Goldstein
War Is Peace
Freedom Is Slavery
Ignorance Is Strength

:hide:
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:22 PM
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43. Exactly, Bush needs his Emmanuel Goldstein
to keep us in permanent war.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:41 PM
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35. I would wait for a source other than the Jerusalem Post
a newspaper run by American neocons.

Al-Zarqawi's death will have no impact on the insurgency!
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:46 PM
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37. The Second Coming of Zarqawi
Zarqawi has died more than once, then came back to life. The dude is awesome!

March 4, 2004
Iraq militants claim al-Zarqawi is dead

BAGHDAD, Iraq - A Jordanian extremist suspected of bloody suicide attacks in Iraq was killed some time ago in U.S. bombing and a letter outlining plans for fomenting sectarian war is a forgery, a statement allegedly from an insurgent group west of the capital said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/



How US fuelled myth of Zarqawi the mastermind

By Adrian Blomfield outside Fallujah
(Filed: 04/10/2004)

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the terrorist leader believed to be responsible for the abduction of Kenneth Bigley, is 'more myth than man', according to American military intelligence agents in Iraq.

Several sources said the importance of Zarqawi, blamed for many of the most spectacular acts of violence in Iraq, has been exaggerated by flawed intelligence and the Bush administration's desire to find "a villain" for the post-invasion mayhem.

US military intelligence agents in Iraq have revealed a series of botched and often tawdry dealings with unreliable sources who, in the words of one source, "told us what we wanted to hear".

"We were basically paying up to $10,000 a time to opportunists, criminals and chancers who passed off fiction and supposition about Zarqawi as cast-iron fact, making him out as the linchpin of just about every attack in Iraq," the agent said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/10/04/wirq04.xml




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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 02:47 PM
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38. Could this be his ninth life
Like a cat then, it may finally be curtains for these reports. On the other hand, it may be as Mark Twain said:
"Reports of my demise are greatly exaggerated" (or words to that effect).
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:25 PM
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45. A reason to worry
I figure if this is for real, we have made a whole new set of enemies. What kind of retribution can we expect next? :scared:

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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:36 PM
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46. How many times has Zarqawi died?
Saturday 17 September 2005: Cleric says al-Zarqawi died long ago

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/73570F02-EA07-492F-9E04-C080950DF180.htm

June 2, 2005: IRAQ: FALLUJAH SHEIKH SAYS AL-ZARQAWI DIED ON FRIDAY

http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.173437230&par=0

October 16, 2004: Zarqawi killed in Iraq?

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/10-17a-04.asp

November 08, 2004: Osama Bin Laden and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi killed in Falluja?

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/11-08d-04.asp

March 4, 2004: Leaflet Says Extremist Al-Zarqawi Killed

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29777-2004Mar4.html

And I'm pretty sure he's been killed at least twice a year since 2002. Except that one time when we thought we killed him in Afganistan, but he just lost a leg, which he grew back.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:31 PM
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65. He has more lives than a cat.
Not bad for one legged dead guy.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 03:38 PM
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47. Wow. That would be an actual al Qaeda freak out of action.
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:29 PM
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50. The CIA will now have to invent a new boogyman...
...to blame stuff on.

Zarqawi was probably only responsible for about 20% of what was attributed to him. And whenever we bomb a wedding, or a playground full of kids, the Pentagon can trot out the "suspected alQaeda insurgent loyal to Zarqawi" label and paste it on whatever collateral damage gets fragged.

I'll bet a new terror leader will "emerge"...one with an easy to pronounce, and eee-vil sounding, name that the American public can be plenty afraid of.

I don't doubt that some guy named Zarqawi exists. I'll just bet he'd be surprised at how active he's been.

Hyernel
Suspected of Using Detergent

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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:34 PM
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51. I think this thread should be moved from LBN
at lest until this is backed up by a credible source.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:38 PM
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53. On the contrary, this thread should remain in LBN permanently
It's a story that never stops "breaking", after all. :evilgrin:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:57 PM
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57. AP is reporting this story of his possible death
The story originated from Arab news sources.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:47 PM
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55. Again?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 04:49 PM
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56. Yahoo news says maybe
Al-Zarqawi May Be Among Dead in Iraq Fight

BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight — some by their own hand to avoid capture. A U.S. official said Sunday that efforts were under way to determine if terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead. snip

http://news.yahoo.com/
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:06 PM
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58. Libby indicted, Murtha lands haymaker - quick, kill Zarqawi again!
Jerusalem Post has misreported Zarqawi's death many times to date.

I suppose they'll get it right eventually...
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cosmicone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:14 PM
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60. you got i!
hahahahahahahahahaha
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 07:39 PM
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126. "Zarqawi" is beginning to sound like a generic "bad guy" term
like "Charley" was in Vietnam
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ThePopulist Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:09 PM
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59. Body please
Give me the body and then confirm it with DNA evidence and I'll believe it. Till then the son of a bitch is good and alive as far as I am concerned.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:19 PM
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62. it wouldn't matter much either way.
there's always another reason to keep fahtin the ne'erendin moron Terra.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:16 PM
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61. CNN now reporting this...
I'll believe it when I see it... :eyes:
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:25 PM
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63. If it happened, it would definetly be nice.
But, I'm gonna wait a few days to a week for hard confirmation.
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WindyInPA Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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67.  Al-Zarqawi May Be Among Dead in Iraq Fight
By ROBERT H. REID, Associated Press Writer
32 minutes ago



BAGHDAD, Iraq - U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight — some by their own hand to avoid capture. A U.S. official said Sunday that efforts were under way to determine if terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead.

Insurgents, meanwhile, killed an American soldier and a Marine in separate attacks over the weekend, while a British soldier was killed by a roadside bomb in the south.

In Washington, a U.S. official said the identities of the terror suspects killed in the Saturday raid was unknown. Asked if they could include al-Zarqawi, the official replied: "There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed."

Link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051120/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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68. OMG! They killed him again.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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69. LOL....
and they've caught bin Laden's No. 2 for like the 13th time.
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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70. Monkeys fly out my butt. Film at 11.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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71. I'm feeling a Weekend at Bernies' moment coming on
Wonder how much longer they can prop up that poor corpse?
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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72. Or he may not be...I hate headlines like that.
Give me facts....not speculation.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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73. oh my god they`ve killed kenny !!!!!
isn`t that guy ?
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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74. Damn! They got the #2 man again. When will he ever learn?
Some people just don't know when to quit.............
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tallahasseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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75. I highly doubt this is true,
but if it is, good.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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76. Headfake!
Pay no attention to Bush's confusion over doors and the failing Iraq policy!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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77. This is news from Baghdad. That means Pentagon. That means propaganda.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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78. Again?? He has more lives than my cat.
Is this really worth posting? He dies every other week.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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79. watch video tonight
of al-Zarqawi reporting on his own death ... all true all new Fox
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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80. DIE, ALREADY!!!
I'm SO sick of sending Mass cards and getting them returned.

I'm FED UP with sending a nice fruit basket to the family and not even getting as much as a thank-you note.

NO MORE FLOWERS.

So, please, DIE this time. For the forty-second time.

Hey, where's what's-his-name? You know, the tall guy attached the dialysis machine? Come on, you know who I'm talking about........
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:50 PM
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84. What tall guy? What tall buildings? What airplanes? What's
going on with that Lewinsky business?
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:04 PM
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86. No, no, not that
That's so Jewish, I'd never send a Mass card.

I'm talking about the TALL guy.

Looks Jewish.

Isn't.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:42 PM
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89. Oh, that Bin something or another guy. Got away at Boring
Torah or someplace like that.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:22 PM
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91. Oh
I'll bet you he's dressed up as, you know, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, or somebody like that, and is living in L.A.

Passing.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:36 PM
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92. He is playing jazz, calls himself Wayman Tisdale, and has the
former NBA player locked up in a remote area of Pakistan so he can use his identity and AmEx card.
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:19 PM
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95. Brilliant!
Of course. Do something obvious right under their noses.

I hate AmEx. I hope he uses the hell out of that card.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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81. Good!
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:45 PM
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82. No Tears For Zarqawi If One Of The Corpses Is Really His
No tears here if one of the corpses really is al Zarqawi's. As much as I opposed the US invasion of Iraq, I had no illusions that the other side had nobody in its ranks but noble resistance fighters seeking solely to expel the US from their homeland and create a democratic secular republic free from foreign domination. I believe that al Zarqawi was a bad 'un, an author of death and mayhem directed not only at US and allied troops, but also at other Iraqi Sunnis, and also Kurds, Iraqi Shi'ites, Iraqi Christians, and other people in the Middle East.

Maybe in the afterlife he can spend part of Eternity with the deceased souls of the (expletives) in Washington who thought up the war and shoved it down our throats.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:48 PM
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83. doesn't matter if it is true or not
as much as he is a fundamentalist monotheistic terrorist murderer, zarqawi is a concept like bin laden. the genius of Al Queda (yeah, i said genius, look it up) is that it does not require a charismatic, brilliant leader to plan & execute its operations. individual cells, with tenuous links to other cells, simple technology, & widely distributed propaganda.

i hope it is true, but it won't be the end of this fight.

the only way to stop terrorism is to remove the motivation to terrorize.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 05:58 PM
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85. Will Bush be holding another Carrier Costume Party?
Probably so since Bush's mind is too simplistic to comprehend that one man's death will not end the Iraqi insurgency or terrorism in the rest of the world.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:27 PM
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88. This is such crap. It's much like the constant reports of "possible" WMDs
in Iraq after the invasion--day after day after day--reports that turned out to be some barn with baking powder in it, or whatever (with the followup backpaged). It is merely a P.R. strategy to make it appear that there is SOME POINT to the current killing in Iraq. Every time they need to make that point, they "possibly" kill Zarqawi on the front page, and then bring him back to life later in the back pages.

It is so transparent! We are living through a DELUSION of a war, with real people getting killed--for WHAT? FOR WHAT?!

-------

On another matter, I think Rumsfeld & Co. intended a civil war all along. They can make side deals for oil--and possbily keep Halliburton contract fat--with the Kurds and the Shia, and then just pull back and let these two tribes kick the shit out of the Sunnis (the most educated, and most into civil society). A divided Iraq suits them fine, as it does Israel.

Much like the early looting (Rumsfeld: freedom = the freedom to loot). Planned, intentional. Chaos created the opportunities for major, major looting of American coffers.

We are not looking at incompetence. I have always said so. We are looking at DELIBERATE policy--and on the P.R. front, a strategy of massive, unmitigated lying.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:01 PM
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90. Sure. nt
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Danmel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:07 PM
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93. Now CNN says it's "Highly unlikely"
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:11 PM
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94. Oh, mannn!!!
I was CERTAIN he was killed this time! I am so bummed out. Once we get that Zarqawi fella, the Iraqi people will be free.

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
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Maggie_May Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:25 PM
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96. US is reporting
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military is conducting tests to determine whether terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among those killed in a weekend raid in northern Iraq, but a White House official called that prospect "highly unlikely."
Crazy thought maybe they don't want him dead. They know that the American people would say we won bring our troops home. Or is the truth to be told that we went to Iraq for Cheney big fat companies and Bushs oil. What do you guys think or am I way off base?
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:27 PM
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97. The * admin is going to want to make the big announcement
themselves if it is true, we will see.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:34 PM
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99. I agree
But it's possible that Rummy's henchmen are setting America up for Zarqawi's "death" as part of a plan to withdraw all troops within the next 12 months. Bush can say, "We killed Zarqawi, caught Saddam and held elections. Mission Accomplished."
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:35 PM
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119. They. Do. Not. Want. Him. Dead.
Believe it - if he's dead, their conquest is in serious political trouble. They WANT him alive. Both him and Bin Laden have likely been dead for a while. They WANT the fake "terrorist" threat so we won't realize it's the Iraqi's that are trying to kick out their conquerers....
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:32 PM
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98. Doesn't Matter
It doesn't really matter to me. The fact of the matter is that his death (if true) speaks far more about Bush's failures than his successes in Iraq since, as was apparently the case with Bin Laden (Tora Bora), we could've gotten him a LOT sooner had things been handled the right way. In fact, the failure to get Zarqawi a LOT earlier is even more damning given that he was in an area of Iraq controlled by the Kurds and protected by US and we could've (and should've) wiped him out at any given time BEFORE the war. If the report that Bush refused to go after him to add more strength to his so-called "case" for Gulf War II is true, then but the blood of everybody that Zarqawi has murdered since the beginning of the occupation is on Bush's hands. That probably won't be how the media reports it, however.
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Clutch Cargo Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:40 PM
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100. Nah, he ain't dead, squire. He's just pining for the fjords n/t
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sidpleasant Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:46 PM
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101. Let's remember that Bush passed on killing Zarqawi back in 2002
The Pentagon wanted to attack Zarqawi's camp in northeastern Iraq in June 2002 and sent plans for such an attack to the White House. Bush and the cabal of evil incompetents around him didn't bother to get back to the Pentagon for almost an entire year. Finally in March 2003 they told the pentagon to forget it. In the meanwhile Zarqawi killed an American diplomat in Jordan in October 2002.

For someone who wants to be seen as tough guy unafraid to make the hard decisions, Bush sure acts like a pansy at exactly the wrong moments. In addition to wimping out on killing Zarqawi let's not forget that he wimped out at the best chance we may ever get to kill Bin Laden too.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:52 PM
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102. (Yawn!) Wake me up when they have positive identification.
Edited on Sun Nov-20-05 09:56 PM by DinahMoeHum
:evilfrown:
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 10:12 PM
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103. I don't think the MSM realizes that this has become a laughable joke
This guy has more lives than Wile E. Coyote.

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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 10:15 PM
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104. Officials Probing Whether Raid in Mosul Killed Zarqawi
BAGHDAD, Nov. 20 -- An Iraqi police commander said Sunday that U.S. and Iraqi officials were certain that seven men who fought to the death in a house in northern Iraq were members of al Qaeda but were still trying to determine whether one of them was Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian insurgent leader.

U.S. military officials believe it is possible that Zarqawi was killed in the raid but will not know with certainty until DNA tests are run, said a U.S. military intelligence official involved in Iraqi issues.

There is a "30 percent" chance that one of the bodies is Zarqawi's, he said. But he warned: "We've had dry holes before."

Over the past month, the official said, there has been a series of raids following a surge in tips from Iraqis unhappy with Zarqawi and his operation. These tend to be traditional Iraqi leaders -- sheiks and imams -- upset with the organization, especially its recent execution of Sunni Arabs in Ramadi, the provincial capital of Anbar. "Their feeling is that al Qaeda in Iraq has overstepped its bounds," he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/20/AR2005112000110.html
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:29 AM
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106. This has been a bad month for the world's #1 bad dude.
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 06:32 AM by pinniped
First someone claims the Jordan bombings as his work, some people in Jordan take to the streets to rally agsinst him, then his family disowns him, and now he is reported to be killed, again.

When the next bombs go off someone will again claim it was under his command.

Obviously the POSs are not done with this bogeyman yet.

These nuts think they cornered the market on al-Zarqawi propaganda.

-- Whitewash House says it's "highly unlikely" that the Iraqi terror leader was killed in a raid Saturday in Mosul. AP --
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:30 AM
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107. .
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 06:30 AM by pinniped
dbl.
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Andrushka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:32 AM
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108. This just in...
He's actually not dead, has in fact grown another leg, and has got a gig doing a stand-up routine at the "You bin-Laffin" comedy club in Amman.

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 02:48 PM
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112. If he comes back again, we'll know he wasn't a Muslim.
Or maybe he's just collecting virgins. Who knows?

(I honestly don't know if he's a Muslim, and I honestly don't know if they believe in reincarnation.)
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 09:24 PM
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113. The weekly killing of Zarqawi...anyone know how many times he's been dead
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La_Fourmi_Rouge Donating Member (878 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:05 PM
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114. Now the insurgency will surely collapse!
Right???
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:19 PM
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115. He died last week
Only 1 death a month. :spank:
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:28 PM
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116. If true, what does it mean? How many have been killed since his death?
It doesn't change a thing. There will be someone to take his place. However, I do believe that he is dead.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:31 PM
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117. Good, our last enemy is dead - lets get the F out of there
NOW!
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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:38 PM
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120. This guy has died more times than Chris Elliot.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:21 AM
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121. Zarqawi announces retirement from US military intelligence

says he's tired of being "Almost Caught"

and wasn't fond of being killed on multiple occasions.

"After all there's only so much propaganda a good agent can take"

When reached for comment a Pentagon official who wished to remain anonymous said

"His leg remains missing and is still considered a threat"

he added "We almost caught it our intel was Solid"


Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who was dead, then wasn't, then was dead again, then wasn't, then was captured, then wasn't, then was shot, then maybe wasn't, is now dead again & again but not yet confirmed....again.

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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 02:14 AM
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122. The fundies ought
to start a new religion named after him, Christ only rose from the dead once!
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Wise Doubter Donating Member (458 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:33 AM
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123. what !


What Did You Say!!!!!!
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:43 AM
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124. And now for the weekly Al-Zaqawi death report.....
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:39 PM
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125. What place in Iraq hasn't al-Zarqawi been killed?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 07:40 PM
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127. Even if it is, would it change anything?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:04 PM
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128. This guy makes Houdini look like an amateur. He leaps from...
...hospital windows, he runs through firestorms of bullets, he emerges from bomb blasts, and he even has the power to grow new legs!...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:18 PM
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129. How many times is this fucker gonna die?
He's got more lives than a dang cat!
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:19 PM
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130. Nope, he's not dead, but bin Laden is.
Or, is bin Laden alive and Elvis is dead? Maybe, al-Zarqawi is just faking his death in order to collect the insurance money and he'll pop up in the Azores with a book deal? Elvis is coming back, we know not when. Or, is that Jesus? I get these guys all mixed up.

Who cares if it's true? If they say he's dead, a bunch of people on DU will swear they're lying. If they say he's alive, a bunch of people on DU will swear they're lying - probably the same people.

I guess old Uday and Qusay are dead. You know, my life hasn't changed one iota from the moment before they were killed to the moment after. Our country hasn't changed, either. Oh, yes, we have more blood on our hands, but all in all, things have just kept on keeping on. It's amazing how that stuff works.
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