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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:31 AM
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"U.S. troops fired on Baghdad civilians" (Reuters)
U.S. troops fired on Baghdad civilians: report
Mon Nov 21, 2005 4:30 AM ET



By Faris al-Mehdawi

BAQUBA, Iraq (Reuters) - Witnesses and the Iraqi police said U.S. troops opened fire on a crowded minibus north of Baghdad on Monday, killing five members of the same family, including two children, and wounding four others.

The U.S. military said it was looking into the incident but did not confirm its involvement or provide any other details.

One of the survivors told Reuters the family was traveling from Balad, a town about 80 km (50 miles) north of Baghdad, to the nearby city of Baquba for a funeral when they were shot at by a U.S. patrol as it approached them on the road.

"As we tried to move over to one side to let them pass, they opened fire," one of the survivors said. None of them would provide their names but said the family was headed by a Mohammed Kamel.

They said the incident occurred at around 8 a.m. just outside Baquba.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2005-11-21T093041Z_01_RID133611_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-BAQUBA.xml
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:34 AM
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1. Out. Now.
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:37 AM
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2. Agreed. n/t
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 04:53 PM
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27. Ditto ...
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sonofliberty Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:45 AM
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6. This is bound to happen when you occupie a country
We had the same problem in nam we need to get our troops home yesterday
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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:05 PM
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28. Exactly, you cannot help but be involved in these type of incidents
with this type of occupation. That's why occupation sucks and should never be an elective choice like the Bush idiots made.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:25 AM
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7. You said it.
It's already a disaster - it's not going to improve. It's lose, lose however you spin it now, there's no good option, but the best one is to get out ... now.

:yoiks:
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prole_for_peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:37 AM
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3. why do you hate america?
:sarcasm:

of course after the military is done "looking into the incident" it (they?) will conclude that the bus carried terra-ists and they were perfectly correct in their actions. :puke:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:17 PM
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31. That or they'll roll out the old "few bad apples" defense. n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:39 AM
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4. How could the survivors not go mad? My God.
From the article:
Major Hussein Ali of the Iraqi police said the minivan the family was traveling in was taken away by U.S. forces shortly afterwards.

Police and the surviving family members said five people were killed, including two young children. Reuters television footage showed the dead children in a morgue in Baquba and relatives kissing another dead body on a morgue trolley.

"They are all children. They are not terrorists," shouted one relative. "Look at the children," he said as a morgue official carried a small dead child into a refrigeration room.

"We felt bullets hitting the car from behind and from in front," said another survivor with blood running from a wound to his head and splattered on his shirt. "Heads were blown off. One child had his hand shot off," he said.

Of those wounded, two were women and one was another child, the survivors said.
(snip/...)
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:43 AM
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5. Amerika is a Terrorist Nation.
The prime Axis of Evil.


"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 02:59 PM
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22. Great quote there from the CIC
"It was one of these regrettable, tragic incidents and it wouldn't happen if Zarqawi (followers) weren't driving" car bombs, said Warren, referring to terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi."

Completely ignoring that it also wouldn't happen if America hadn't gone along with their Popular Wartime President when he said:

"The terrorists want to control the oil. Our way of life will be at risk". George W. Bush.

Seems the only thing that's changed about that oil is that now Ahmed Chalabi controls it... thanks to the American people's blood and treasure. Wow. We're dying, fighting with each other, hated by the world, get to pay for it and won't ever see that cheap gas you all were promised. But stay the course. If we kill enough Iraqi's the disaster will transform itself into catastrophic success, a modern day miracle.

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madmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:12 PM
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29. Every civilian collaterally harmed by the Americans is either going
to be at a minimum joining the insurgency, or in the worst case, joining al quada. That's the real tragedy of this piece of shit action in Iraq. Any moron could have known this from the beginning except of course the current crew in charge whose incompetence is seemingly without limits.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:46 AM
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8. The US is the catalyst for the violence in Iraq.
OUT NOW!!!!
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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:50 AM
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9. And we are asking China to uphold human rights. n/t
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:52 AM
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10. US troops gun down Iraqi family
FIVE members of an Iraqi family, three of them children, were shot dead today when US forces opened fire on their car outside a military base northeast of Baghdad, police and hospital sources said.

Three other family members were wounded in the incident, which took place near Baquba at around 6.30am (2.30pm AEDT) as they were returning from a funeral, the sources said. Ahmed Kamel al-Sawamara, a 22-year-old student who was driving the car but escaped serious injury, said he saw US military vehicles just ahead of him.

"The soldiers started shooting at us from all over. I slowed down and pulled off the road, but they continued firing," he said. "I saw my family killed, one after the other, and then the car caught fire. I dragged their bodies out."

Two men and three children, aged one, two and three, were killed, and two women and a child were wounded, Iraqi police said. A US military spokesman confirmed the shooting, but put the toll at three dead and two wounded. US troops had set up a makeshift roadblock to allow some military vehicles to turn off a highway into a base when the civilian car approached, Major Steven Warren said. "The Iraqi car wouldn't slow down and warning shots were fired," he said. The car failed to stop and came under machine-gun fire, Warren added. Medics travelling with the patrol immediately gave first aid after the incident. US forces, who regularly face attack by suicide car bombers trying to ram their vehicles before setting off their explosives, have repeatedly been involved in shooting incidents in which civilians have been killed my mistake.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,17322709%255E1702,00.html
OMG this needs to end

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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:03 AM
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11. it needs to end NOW!
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 08:14 AM by leftchick
:cry:



Iraqis grieve over the body of a relative killed in a shooting while the family was on their way to Baquba about 50 miles north of Baghdad, November 21, 2005. (Hilmi/Reuters)
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ECH1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:17 AM
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12. U.S. Soldier Mistakenly Fires on Civilian Vehicle North of Baghdad
U.S. forces mistakenly fired on a civilian vehicle outside an American military base north of Baghdad on Monday, killing at least three people, including one child, a U.S. spokesman said.

A U.S. soldier protecting vehicles returning to a U.S. base in the city of Baqouba fired on a vehicle that he thought was moving erratically, said Maj. Steven Warren of the 3rd Brigade, 3rd Infantry Division.

According to Dr. Ahmed Fouad of the Baqouba city morge and the local police command, there five people who were returning from a relative's funeral, including three children, were killed and two others wounded in the shooting. But U.S. officials said they only knew of three deaths in the incident, including one child, and three others wounded.

"It was one of these regrettable, tragic incidents and it wouldn't happen if Zarqawi (followers) weren't driving" car bombs, said Warren, referring to terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1332831&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:17 AM
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13. It's always good to be able to blame someone else for your actions.
=="It was one of these regrettable, tragic incidents and it wouldn't happen if Zarqawi (followers) weren't driving" car bombs, said Warren, referring to terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.==
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:22 AM
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14. and notice the prowar side always hates it...
... when someone says terrorist bombings are the result of our invasion. "How dare you! Those are the fault of the terrorists and terrorists alone!"

of course, when WE kill civilians, its ok to blame others.
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soda Donating Member (111 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:18 PM
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18. the gun went off
U.S. forces mistakenly fired on a civilian vehicle outside an American military base north of Baghdad on Monday, killing at least three people, including one child, a U.S. spokesman said.

they delibratly fired on the car
they killed five people including two children

the chickenhawk dreams of war and the veteren has nightmares of war
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:24 AM
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15. Iraq is a small country
about the size of Texas. There are only 25 million people in the whole place and most of it is desert. There is no reason in the world why we can't maintain law and order and a minimum level of basic services. We are the occupying power and we are spending a billion a week there. Yet, instead we are losing dozens of soldiers every week, the country is in shambles and we continue to fuel a civil war. After 3 years if Bush & Co can't keep things under control, they need to get out and let the UN or some other coalition in to help the Iraqi people take back their country. Oh and by the way, that means give them back their oil too.

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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 08:28 AM
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16. They were headed for a funeral?
Don't tell me the cause of death for that person... I think I already know.
:cry:

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:06 AM
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17. To some, liberty, freedom, and democracy come at a high price
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oregonindy Donating Member (790 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:24 PM
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19. Out, Out, Out, Out, Out, Out
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:28 PM
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20. US mercenaries do this kind of thing all the time
Was it really the troops or the MERCS?
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Hyernel Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 12:29 PM
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21. The Germans did a better job occupying France...
Relatively speaking, of course.

Maybe the hours our troops are forced to listen to Rush and Hannity and O'Dildo framing the war as a struggle against "Islamofacism" (whatever the fuck that is) is having an effect here.

They shoot anything arab/brown/etc. It'll get worse before it gets better. And there's no sign that it will ever get better.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 03:04 PM
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23. Dreadful, just dreadful.
Little children.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 04:34 PM
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24. Guardian article on it >>>
Three Civilians Mistakenly Killed in Iraq
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5430314,00.html

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - U.S. soldiers fired on a civilian vehicle Monday because they feared it might hold a suicide bomber, killing at least two adults and a child northeast of the capital, American and Iraqi officials said. The troops fired on the car because it was moving erratically outside a U.S. base in Baqouba, 35 miles from Baghdad, said Maj. Steven Warren, a U.S. spokesman. ``It was one of these regrettable, tragic incidents,'' Warren said.

Dr. Ahmed Fouad at the city morgue and police officials gave a higher death toll, saying five people - including three children - were killed while driving home from a funeral.

Iraqi officials have long complained about American troops firing at civilian vehicles that appear suspicious. U.S. officials note that suicide car bombers often strike U.S. and Iraqi checkpoints.

The shooting took place in a province that has experienced at least four major bombings in the last three weeks - including a suicide car bomb Monday that missed U.S. vehicles but killed five civilians outside Baqouba.



:(
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 04:42 PM
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25. Do suicide bombers generally travel with their families?
This is fucking obscene!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 04:45 PM
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26. They blew a child's head off....
<snip>

Reuters television footage showed two children's bodies in a Baquba morgue and relatives kissing another body on a morgue trolley. One child's head appeared to have been blown off.

"They are all children. They are not terrorists," shouted an unidentified relative. "Look at the children," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/051121/photos_ts/2005_11_21t131155_369x450_us_iraq&g=events/iraq/082701iraqplane

:cry:
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NIGHT TRIPPER Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 07:17 PM
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30. BEHEADED-U.S. TROOPS BEHEADED CHILDREN -BEHEADING IS TERRORISM-idiots
got a bunch of greedy bastards sending out a bunch of untrained national guardsmen to take over a country-
-these people in charge are criminal and should go to jail.
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